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Post by legendkillar on Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:47 pm

She makes some interesting points I have to say. However, still very vague on the reasons on taking a substance with very little enhancing properties and going to such lengths to acquire it.

I've taken on both sides of the argument and both sides are as bad as each other. Sharapova/WADA absolutely come out of this with no creditability what so ever.

I am hoping this case now quietens down. She's served her time and it's all in the past. She's back on tour and everyone needs to just get on with it.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:02 pm

I still don't understand how a drug which was used by 100 000s of athletes for years can suddenly become illegal....and apparently not clearly stated as CAS agreed.

Strangely enough a very dubious illegal PRP treatment can become legal when a popular athlete needs it.

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:22 pm

I don't get it either how a drug that's been around for decades can suddenly be deemed illegal. There were no studies to my knowledge or any data they could measure that would suggest the enhancing properties of this drug are such that athletes using it were winning events or gaining massive advantages.

I know the vast majority of observers are caught up in this case because of Sharapova being caught and the silly excuses she gave. However, I am surprised people are not asking the question I raise ages ago on this thread on how it has taken WADA 20 years to determine this substance to be banned because of performance enhancing qualities? Makes a total mockery of doping controls. It seems as if they saw a load of athletes using it and decided ooooh it must be performing enhancing.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:29 pm

legendkillar wrote:I don't get it either how a drug that's been around for decades can suddenly be deemed illegal. There were no studies to my knowledge or any data they could measure that would suggest the enhancing properties of this drug are such that athletes using it were winning events or gaining massive advantages.

I know the vast majority of observers are caught up in this case because of Sharapova being caught and the silly excuses she gave. However, I am surprised people are not asking the question I raise ages ago on this thread on how it has taken WADA 20 years to determine this substance to be banned because of performance enhancing qualities? Makes a total mockery of doping controls. It seems as if they saw a load of athletes using it and decided ooooh it must be performing enhancing.
It's a common drug, like paracetamol or brufen/neurophen, to help ease mucle/tendon pain after matches.

If Sharapova/Russian athletes were using Paracetamol, they'd ban paracetamol. That's how I see it.

Political war taken to sports arena, and when better than at Olympic games!
Same as in the days of Cold War in the 80s.



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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:30 pm

Good article from tennis.com:

MARIA SHARAPOVA'S COMPATRIOTS HAVE STOOD BY HER SIDE FOR A REASON


It was hardly anything new when Caroline Wozniacki criticized Maria Sharapova's standing in the first week of the US Open.

"A schedule where the No. 5 [seed] is playing on Court 5, fifth match on ... I think that's unacceptable," said Wozniacki, who was eventually moved to larger Court 17 and fell to Ekaterina Makarova on a packed third day at Flushing Meadows.

Sharapova, who received a wild card into the tournament and is ranked No. 103—she was No. 146 during the US Open—as she continues her return from an anti-doping suspension, was scheduled to play third on Arthur Ashe Stadium.

"I understand completely the business side of things,” Wozniacki said in a Danish television interview. “But someone who comes back from a drugs sentence, performance-enhancing drugs, and all of a sudden gets to play every single match on center court, I think that's a questionable thing to do.”

While Wozniacki has previously said she is not against players getting a "second chance," she has also argued that the rules have been bent to get one of the world's most famous athletes back on court as smoothly as possible.

Plenty of players have gone further. Kristina Mladenovic and Eugenie Bouchard have both accused Sharapova of “cheating,” saying their opinions are widely shared in the locker room.

Andy Murray also chimed in.

"I think taking a prescription drug that you don’t necessarily need, but just because it’s legal, I don’t think that that’s right,” the world No. 3 said.

Several others have criticized wild cards given to Sharapova upon her return, with the French Open refusing to give one to the five-time Grand Slam champion.



The back story should be familiar by now. Following the 2016 Australian Open, Sharapova announced that she had tested positive for meldonium—which, apparently unknown to her, had been banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) since the beginning of the new season. Sharapova said she had taken meldonium for many years, initially on the recommendation of a doctor because she was having irregular electrocardiograms, magnesium deficiency and had a family history of diabetes.

It then emerged that hundreds of other athletes, mostly from Eastern Europe, had also tested positive for the substance. But most of those athletes—though not Sharapova—had low concentrations that indicated they had taken it in 2015, when it was still allowed. The incident publicly revealed the extent of meldonium's use in sports, which, according to USA Today, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) was informed of in 2014. That eventually led to WADA's monitoring of the substance in 2015, and its ban in 2016. A study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine indicated that 8.7 percent of athletes at the 2015 European Games in Baku tested positive for meldonium.

Sharapova's case even divided those that decided her suspension. The International Tennis Federation’s independent tribunal was critical of her behavior and announced an 18-month suspension, but the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), to which Sharapova appealed, did not have the same reaction. It said she should not be considered an "intentional doper”—based on WADA rules that indicate whether the athlete knew they were breaking the rules—and gave her a reduced suspension of 15 months.

But despite the furor that has surrounded Sharapova during this period, one group has remained largely silent: Russian players. Their perception of the whole incident seems to be very different, and they have a simple explanation for it.

"It's because we know exactly what is meldonium," said Svetlana Kuznetsova in Toronto.



While little-known and mysterious sounding in the West, the Latvian-invented product is readily found in Eastern European pharmacies and doesn't require a prescription. According to Russian players, meldonium is seen largely as a “protective” drug, commonly used by older people for heart problems.

"I mean, first of all, we read everything [about] what happened," Elena Vesnina, sitting alongside Ekaterina Makarova, her doubles partner, told TENNIS.com. "We know in Russia what kind of thing is that. For us, it was very strange because, first of all, when they kind of forbid it, they caught her in January, and in December it [went] on the list.

"It was just a mistake from her. It doesn't mean she was taking it on purpose to help her succeed or something. And this drug, it's nothing serious. It's old people taking it back in Russia and Soviet Union countries. It’s to help your heart to feel better in old age. It was very strange that a lot of players were so much against her, like she's a bad person. It's not like that.

"All the Russians knew what has happened, and that's why we're behind Maria. And we didn't want to put this kind of things on the press like other players did."

Asked if they had heard of the substance previously, Makarova said, "We wasn't taking this."

"We spoke with the doctors and with many, many specialists,” Vesnina said. “We asked. We were interested. What is that? And everyone was shocked because they said, ‘We don't know why it was on the list, because there was no reason.’ And the thing is, WADA, they didn't even do their research about [the length of time] it stays in the body. So it's too many questions."

"A lot of sportsmen from other sports were taking it," said Makarova.

"Football players, track and field, volleyball players, a lot of players were taking this thing," added Vesnina. "But it's kind of a course of rehabilitation, when you recover from a lot of hard work. For many years, it was not on the list, and all of a sudden..."

"Before the Olympics," said Makarova.

"Yeah, yeah, before the Olympics they put it on the list," said Vesnina. "So it's kind of … yeah."


This implication—that the ban was aimed at hampering Russian athletes—is reinforced by their view that there is no performance-enhancing benefit from meldonium.

"No, no, for sure," said Makarova.

"No, no," said Vesnina. "You can try it. You're not going to win the Grand Slam."


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Re: Sharapova announces failed drug test

Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:31 pm

legendkillar wrote:...
I know the vast majority of observers are caught up in this case because of Sharapova being caught and the silly excuses she gave. However, I am surprised people are not asking the question I raise ages ago on this thread on how it has taken WADA 20 years to determine this substance to be banned because of performance enhancing qualities? Makes a total mockery of doping controls. It seems as if they saw a load of athletes using it and decided ooooh it must be performing enhancing.

Agree but you know my view on this. It's just another form of the NATO/Russia war as you can see here again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/41266286

Is that a way to make them pay for the Fancy Bears hackers?

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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:32 pm

Exactly NITB.

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:37 pm

Wow- some Russian players said it doesn't enhance performance!

Love seeing NITB and Tenez doing their see-saw dance of being very cynical when it's players they don't like, but suddenly very credulous when it's players they do.
I still remember the quote: 'Sharapova needs to be found guilty twice'.

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:47 pm

Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:...
I know the vast majority of observers are caught up in this case because of Sharapova being caught and the silly excuses she gave. However, I am surprised people are not asking the question I raise ages ago on this thread on how it has taken WADA 20 years to determine this substance to be banned because of performance enhancing qualities? Makes a total mockery of doping controls. It seems as if they saw a load of athletes using it and decided ooooh it must be performing enhancing.

Agree but you know my view on this. It's just another form of the NATO/Russia war as you can see here again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/41266286

Is that a way to make them pay for the Fancy Bears hackers?


In response to NITB earlier in the thread. I do believe it is much more effective than say paracetamol or ibuprofen in the aid of recovery. That's about the only line of comparison I will draw with it because I am still unconvinced that it's at such levels it enables an unfair advantage.

As for the political element. Is there much difference between Russia and USA? when I think of the scorn poured on Sharapova and a recent thread celebrating Gatlin's recent success?? Makes me disgusted if I am honest. And he tested positive twice!! Why is a Russian doping more severe than an American? It's the same crime.

I thought what the Fancy Bears did was somewhat refreshing. Alright I am not entirely comfortable with personal information being released, however for once there was transparency. The doping controls again a mockery. Wiggins what a fraud! Takes an inhaler for "asthma" out of competition, but then requires a banned steroid during competition and gets a TUE for it? How the chuff can that happen? I amazed WADA do not look at the medication athletes are on out of competition and then when they apply for a TUE in competition not refuse it.

Sport has no place in trying to involve itself in a political arena. If their athletes are being unfairly treated because of a higher agenda, then frankly those organisations need to be destroyed.

Dick Pound recently made some strong comments against the IOC and I agreed with what he said!


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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:48 pm

DECIMA wrote:Wow- some Russian players said it doesn't enhance performance!

Love seeing NITB and Tenez doing their see-saw dance of being very cynical when it's players they don't like, but suddenly very credulous when it's players they do.
I still remember the quote: 'Sharapova needs to be found guilty twice'.
Certainly highlighted the stupidity of some. Don't be a hypocrit by ommitting by touch of sarcasm in that statement.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:49 pm

DECIMA wrote:Wow- some Russian players said it doesn't enhance performance!

Love seeing NITB and Tenez doing their see-saw dance of being very cynical when it's players they don't like, but suddenly very credulous when it's players they do.
I still remember the quote: 'Sharapova needs to be found guilty twice'.
One day you may take off your Nadal rosy glasses and say, wow, Tenez and NITB,  I wish I not just listened to but heard what they were saying all those years.... Cool

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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:53 pm

legendkillar wrote:[Dick Pound recently made some strong comments against the IOC and I agreed with what he said!
What did he say?

Politics is everywhere at the international stage and Sport is an international stage. Another example was Zika virus suddenly becoming a huge threat in Brazil and now ? not a mosquito in the horizon!

I have hilighted a year ago how WADA board is heavily NATO composed.

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:54 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
One day you may take  off your Nadal rosy glasses and say, wow, Tenez and NITB,  I wish I not just listened to but heard what they were saying all those years.... Cool
That reminds me, NITB you haven't responded to my questions to you in my other thread, the one with the title starting 'NITB:'

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:55 pm

Tenez wrote:
DECIMA wrote:Wow- some Russian players said it doesn't enhance performance!

Love seeing NITB and Tenez doing their see-saw dance of being very cynical when it's players they don't like, but suddenly very credulous when it's players they do.
I still remember the quote: 'Sharapova needs to be found guilty twice'.
Certainly highlighted the stupidity of some. Don't be a hypocrit by ommitting by touch of sarcasm in that statement.
There were no signs of sarcasm when you said that, you were trying to say because it was a mistake as it had once not been on the banned list, only if she had been caught twice would we be sure she meant to take it maliciously as a PED.

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:58 pm

Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:[Dick Pound recently made some strong comments against the IOC and I agreed with what he said!
What did he say?

Politics is everywhere at the international stage and Sport is an international stage. Another example was Zika virus suddenly becoming a huge threat in Brazil and now ? not a mosquito in the horizon!

I have hilighted a year ago how WADA board is heavily NATO composed.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/41248774

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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:06 pm

DECIMA wrote:
Tenez wrote:
DECIMA wrote:Wow- some Russian players said it doesn't enhance performance!

Love seeing NITB and Tenez doing their see-saw dance of being very cynical when it's players they don't like, but suddenly very credulous when it's players they do.
I still remember the quote: 'Sharapova needs to be found guilty twice'.
Certainly highlighted the stupidity of some. Don't be a hypocrit by ommitting by touch of sarcasm in that statement.
There were no signs of sarcasm when you said that, you were trying to say because it was a mistake as it had once not been on the banned list, only if she had been caught twice would we be sure she meant to take it maliciously as a PED.
Well you are not very subtle then if you coudl not see the sarcasm then.
It was in response to a stupid argument that she was caught cheating cause she took a banned drug "knowingly". So my point was if she is stupid enough to try her luck once, there is no reason why she would not try her luck again.

So let's see whether she is really stupid and a cheat...or simply was negligent as CAS found out.


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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:12 pm

legendkillar wrote:
Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:[Dick Pound recently made some strong comments against the IOC and I agreed with what he said!
What did he say?

Politics is everywhere at the international stage and Sport is an international stage. Another example was Zika virus suddenly becoming a huge threat in Brazil and now ? not a mosquito in the horizon!

I have hilighted a year ago how WADA board is heavily NATO composed.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/41248774
oh yeah...but WADA is as bad as the IOC.

They are all well paid.....therefore buyable.

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:13 pm

Tenez wrote: So my point was if she is stupid enough to try her luck once, there is no reason why she would not try her luck again.

So let's see whether she is really stupid and a cheat...or simply was negligent as CAS found out.
See there we go again.

No way would you be this generous if it was a player you didn't like.

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:
Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:[Dick Pound recently made some strong comments against the IOC and I agreed with what he said!
What did he say?

Politics is everywhere at the international stage and Sport is an international stage. Another example was Zika virus suddenly becoming a huge threat in Brazil and now ? not a mosquito in the horizon!

I have hilighted a year ago how WADA board is heavily NATO composed.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/41248774
oh yeah...but WADA is as bad as the IOC.

They are all well paid.....therefore buyable.


They are worse than FIFA!

Lobbying fuckers!

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:23 pm

legendkillar wrote:
Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:
Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:[Dick Pound recently made some strong comments against the IOC and I agreed with what he said!
What did he say?

Politics is everywhere at the international stage and Sport is an international stage. Another example was Zika virus suddenly becoming a huge threat in Brazil and now ? not a mosquito in the horizon!

I have hilighted a year ago how WADA board is heavily NATO composed.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/41248774
oh yeah...but WADA is as bad as the IOC.

They are all well paid.....therefore buyable.


They are worse than FIFA!

Lobbying fuckers!

Yes, they take it to the next level...from"business" to politics.
Might is right.

Not for much longer.

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Re: Sharapova announces failed drug test

Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:24 pm

DECIMA wrote:
Tenez wrote: So my point was if she is stupid enough to try her luck once, there is no reason why she would not try her luck again.

So let's see whether she is really stupid and a cheat...or simply was negligent as CAS found out.
See there we go again.

No way would you be this generous if it was a player you didn't like.
Another false statement. I have 10 years of documented record of hating Sharapova. Are you denying this? How could you?

I still don;t like her but want her to do well now to stuff the establishment (WDA and ITF).

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:27 pm

Tenez wrote:
DECIMA wrote:
Tenez wrote: So my point was if she is stupid enough to try her luck once, there is no reason why she would not try her luck again.

So let's see whether she is really stupid and a cheat...or simply was negligent as CAS found out.
See there we go again.

No way would you be this generous if it was a player you didn't like.
Another false statement. I have 10 years of documented record of hating Sharapova. Are you denying this? How could you?

I still don;t like her but want her to do well now to stuff the establishment (WDA and ITF).
You ramble on 24/7 about Nadal, but haven't seen you do the same about Sharapova. Even if you did dislike her, it was clearly very tepid.
I still stand by my statement, if it was a player who was up against your hero Federer who had been caught, you would not have been so generous.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:53 pm

DECIMA wrote:
Tenez wrote:
DECIMA wrote:
Tenez wrote: So my point was if she is stupid enough to try her luck once, there is no reason why she would not try her luck again.

So let's see whether she is really stupid and a cheat...or simply was negligent as CAS found out.
See there we go again.

No way would you be this generous if it was a player you didn't like.
Another false statement. I have 10 years of documented record of hating Sharapova. Are you denying this? How could you?

I still don;t like her but want her to do well now to stuff the establishment (WDA and ITF).
You ramble on 24/7 about Nadal, but haven't seen you do the same about Sharapova. Even if you did dislike her, it was clearly very tepid.
I still stand by my statement, if it was a player who was up against your hero Federer who had been caught, you would not have been so generous.

Since you come up with false statements and your are not very subtle I am not sure what value your statements hold. As Sharapova would say: It's not factual, hence I don't take them into consideration.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:20 am

Full of stupid and angry people this tweet.

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Post by Daniel on Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:09 am

Or...  majority of people disagree with you and accept she is a cheat.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:17 am

Hypocrisy of the highest order.
American tennis player tests positive for Meladonium (4times), and surprise, surprise...nothing happens!

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/sports/tennis/varvara-lepchenko-meldonium-itf-doping.html

How do you, who disagree with political motives of banning meladonium, explain this?

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Post by Slippy on Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:17 am

One accepted she took meldonium after it was banned, the other one didn't. Not difficult to explain.

The real point to note there is that Lepchenko, presumably without the benefit of a large support team, was able to realise it was on the banned list. Perhaps Maria could stop trying to blame everyone else for her failure to read the amendments to the banned list?

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Post by Daniel on Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:11 am

She should write a book.  Maybe "What happened?".  But I think someone has beaten her to it.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:02 pm

Daniel wrote:She should write a book.  Maybe "What happened?".  But I think someone has beaten her to it.

Laugh Laugh Laugh

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