Wimbledon Day 7 (Second Monday)

Order of play out for Monday.

Murray&Federer on CC

Nole and Nadal on C1

Ostapenko still on court 12.
As is Cilic...

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/schedule/pdf/schedulePDF15.pdf

That makes sense. Andy is British, defending champ and world #1. And Fed is Fed.

Hopefully it rains at least 24 hrs straight starting Monday morning.

Projected matches:

Nadal: Muller, Cilic
Fed: Dimi, Roa,/Zverev
Djoko: Mannarino, Berdych
Murray: Paire, Querry

I'm sure Fed would be willing to swap with any other top 4's draw

Yep...he is a bit unlucky and he has one day less of rest.

I am beginning to get excited about this Wimbledon.

Clouds are gathering from all sides, clouds of dust.

Riders of the Apocalypse are coming to town.

... wrote:I am beginning to get excited about this Wimbledon.

Clouds are gathering from all sides, clouds of dust.

Riders of the Apocalypse are coming to town.

Agut is on is way!

gallery play wrote:Projected matches:

Nadal: Muller, Cilic
Fed: Dimi, Roa,/Zverev
Djoko: Mannarino, Berdych
Murray: Paire, Querry

I'm sure Fed would be willing to swap with any other top 4's draw

It's become a beast. He really needs some help from the lower orders, maybe Thiem to take Djokovic out, or Cilic to dump Nadal. Without that he's got about a 5% chance of winning the event.

70% vs Dimi
60% vs Raonic
40% vs Djokovic
30% vs Nadal

On top this draw he has a cold, is terribly nervous and lost the magic BH thanks to that sandpit..

I agree, something really weird must happen every round from now on for him to win this thing.
I think we can already say he probably has a better chance at the USO.

Didn't know about the cold.

In a way that's encouraging because that can pull you down a bit but they don't last too long. It might give hope his level can lift a bit more.

He does have cold, did you hear his voice in the interviews?

bogbrush wrote:

gallery play wrote:Projected matches:
Nadal: Muller, Cilic
Fed: Dimi, Roa,/Zverev
Djoko: Mannarino, Berdych
Murray: Paire, Querry
I'm sure Fed would be willing to swap with any other top 4's draw

It's become a beast. He really needs some help from the lower orders, maybe Thiem to take Djokovic out, or Cilic to dump Nadal. Without that he's got about a 5% chance of winning the event.
70% vs Dimi
60% vs Raonic
40% vs Djokovic
30% vs Nadal

For me it's:
100% Dimi
100% Raonic
60% Nole
65% Nadal

Tenez wrote:

... wrote:I am beginning to get excited about this Wimbledon.
Clouds are gathering from all sides, clouds of dust.
Riders of the Apocalypse are coming to town.

Agut is on is way!

Why Agut?

... wrote:

bogbrush wrote:

gallery play wrote:Projected matches:
Nadal: Muller, Cilic
Fed: Dimi, Roa,/Zverev
Djoko: Mannarino, Berdych
Murray: Paire, Querry
I'm sure Fed would be willing to swap with any other top 4's draw

It's become a beast. He really needs some help from the lower orders, maybe Thiem to take Djokovic out, or Cilic to dump Nadal. Without that he's got about a 5% chance of winning the event.
70% vs Dimi
60% vs Raonic
40% vs Djokovic
30% vs Nadal

For me it's:
100% Dimi
100% Raonic
60% Nole
65% Nadal

I love your optimism. Even that is only a 40% of winning but it's better than mine!

I'll take it.

That's how I'd be thinking if I were Fed.

Djokovic is quite an unknown at this one. I haven't watched any of his matches but does anyone think he's back? The scores look good but the opponents have been "meh".

I saw one thing saying he wasn't moving forward to cut off angles like he did before and this was attributed to nerves slowing reactions.

Any opinions?

The hunger and desire are back, that's the main thing for Nole.

The ground on which he plants his feet is solid again,  not quicksand.

He is gathering confidence momentum by the match.

I think he'd have no problem beating Nadal.

From what I've seen, if Nadal and Djokovic played right now; I'd actually fancy Nadal to win.
That being said Djokovic is improving with each display, and if his play does 'click' again which it could, he could go on to win the tournament. His serving is good but not where it was in 2015, his returning is very good, but in rallies he's still making more unforced errors than normal.

bogbrush wrote:

gallery play wrote:Projected matches:

Nadal: Muller, Cilic
Fed: Dimi, Roa,/Zverev
Djoko: Mannarino, Berdych
Murray: Paire, Querry

I'm sure Fed would be willing to swap with any other top 4's draw

It's become a beast. He really needs some help from the lower orders, maybe Thiem to take Djokovic out, or Cilic to dump Nadal. Without that he's got about a 5% chance of winning the event.

70% vs Dimi
60% vs Raonic
40% vs Djokovic
30% vs Nadal

lol - this is Amrit levels of jinxing. It's more like:


90% vs Dimi (very easy match up for him)
95% vs Raonic (in dreadful form and his serve won't beat Fed)
80% vs Djokovic (some signs of resurgence but his last big slam match ended in a dreadful defeat and Fed is always a tough matchup for him)
70% vs Nadal (the only real threat to him but dominant against him this year and Rafa will feel the pressure in a first Wimbledon final in 6 years)

Fed is a huge favourite from here on out. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't at least make the final.

Why do you think Fed is a "huge" favourite?

Are you a jinxer as well?

Slippy?  Are you really asking? He is a massive jinxer.  Big Andy fan so his jinxing always tilted that way.

Jinxing is my pet peeve.  Of course, for all I know I am doing it too without ever realizing.

Neither me, Tenez, or Slippy do jinxing; honestly don't know where you get this stuff from Summerblues.

OK then...

Since I don't understand the logic behind it all, can someone explain how it works.
And do you REALLY believe it does?

DECIMA wrote:Neither me, Tenez, or Slippy do jinxing; honestly don't know where you get this stuff from Summerblues.

You forgot to mention that GP is not jinxing either.

... wrote:He does have cold, did you hear his voice in the interviews?

I think BB means "don't know whether I would worry about the cold" (responding to GP who was worrying about it), because in a way it is encouraging.  Cold is unlikely to last full week and if this is how he is playing with a cold, we can hope for better without.

... wrote:OK then...

Since I don't understand the logic behind it all, can someone explain how it works.
And do you REALLY believe it does?

Summerblues is actually wrong.
I highly doubt that anyone on this forum is seriously 'jinxing'. This is when someone believes by saying something before a match, they can then influence the outcome of that match .
However what is possible, both consciously or subconsciously, is that people downgrade expectations for the player they want to win beforehand. Then if the player does lose the loss is expected so not so negative afterwards, while if the player wins it is even more sweet as it's an 'unexpected against the odds' triumph.
It's basic psychology, which I have observed Summerblues wrongly interpret for a supernatural superstition for 4 years.

DECIMA wrote:

... wrote:OK then...

Since I don't understand the logic behind it all, can someone explain how it works.
And do you REALLY believe it does?

Summerblues is actually wrong.
I highly doubt that anyone on this forum is seriously 'jinxing'. This is when someone believes by saying something before a match, they can then influence the outcome of that match .
However what is possible, both consciously or subconsciously, is that people downgrade expectations for the player they want to win beforehand. Then if the player does lose the loss is expected so not so negative afterwards, while if the player wins it is even more sweet as it's an 'unexpected against the odds' triumph.
It's basic psychology, which I have observed Summerblues wrongly interpret for a supernatural superstition for 4 years.

Yes, I noticed that, too.
Bit that's differentt from "jinxing" you do...though I think you do it more to wind people up.

I noticed though when I get carried away early in a match that the player often starts losing, so I shut up immediately and feel stupid because of it, esp,as it often worked!!!
I felt even worse when that started happening while I was betting.
So I am now cured.


SB needs to explain all that statistically.

summerblues wrote:Slippy?  Are you really asking? He is a massive jinxer.  Big Andy fan so his jinxing always tilted that way.

Jinxing is my pet peeve.  Of course, for all I know I am doing it too without ever realizing.

Nonsense - most fans are naturally pessimistic about their favourites doing well - see BB's post saying Fed has a 5% chance as a great example. That isn't jinxing. Fed's unbeaten this year in any event he's actually tried in and playing on his best surface. Anyone who is neutral can see he's the obvious choice to win.

Slippy wrote:

summerblues wrote:Slippy?  Are you really asking? He is a massive jinxer.  Big Andy fan so his jinxing always tilted that way.

Jinxing is my pet peeve.  Of course, for all I know I am doing it too without ever realizing.

Nonsense - most fans are naturally pessimistic about their favourites doing well - see BB's post saying Fed has a 5% chance as a great example. That isn't jinxing. Fed's unbeaten this year in any event he's actually tried in and playing on his best surface. Anyone who is neutral can see he's the obvious choice to win.

And this is where you make a mistake. He is and won't be playing his best on this surface (and with this ball). That's quite obvious

Its going to be tough for Federer today as i expect Dimi to play like he has nothing to lose.

Tenez wrote:Its going to be tough for Federer today as i expect Dimi to play like he has nothing to lose.

So long as he gets the job done  in three sets.

Fed's fh vs Dimi's bh should make the difference.

Though, Dimi is quite physical because he defends well.

I don't expect too much troubles yet.
At the end of the day they come up with the same weapons. The only difference is, Fed's guns are bigger, exept for the first serve speed.
But Fed can't afford to play mediocre.

gallery play wrote:...
But Fed can't afford to play mediocre.

Problem is with this kind of grass' bad bounce, it can turn a genius shot into an unforced error!..whereas if you hammer the ball a la nadal with so much margins, the bad bounces don;t really matter.....they are actually an advantage if anything.

Interesting to note that 8 players are 6'4 or taller (Querrey, Anderson, Raonic, Zverev, Paire, Cilic, Berdych and Muller) and only 1 (Mannarino) is shorter than 6. Is this the tallest ever last 16 in a slam?

Probably. Krajicek was probably the tallest winner ever. Usually those tall guys di t win as much. Murray is close to 6'4" too..even if he recorded as 6"3.....he is no dwarf.

Go Jelenaaaa!!!!

It's annoying they put all these women matches at once. No mens....and then you have all the mens playing at once...so you miss some good mens match.

She has done it!!!!!
42 winners!

And there mingling with thr fans now, being hugged by everyone, taking selfies with everyone...so increibly cute!

What a character!

Watched the match & pleased she won.

She really needs something on that 2nd serve, and her movement to the backhand is a weakness but it's about adding to what she's got, not taming the tigress to make her safer.

Tenez wrote:It's annoying they put all these women matches at once. No mens....and then you have all the mens playing at once...so you miss some good mens match.

Yes, it would be good if the used all these subsidiary events (young, old, wheelchair, estrogen) as spacers for the proper event.

gallery play wrote:Projected matches:

Nadal: Muller, Cilic
Fed: Dimi, Roa,/Zverev
Djoko: Mannarino, Berdych
Murray: Paire, Querry

I'm sure Fed would be willing to swap with any other top 4's draw

Yes. He def would.  I spotted how shit his draw was from the word go and now it's clear it's as hard as it can be - assuming Djok meets him in SF - assuming Fed even gets there.

Tenez wrote:Probably. Krajicek was probably the tallest winner ever. Usually those tall guys di t win as much. Murray is close to 6'4" too..even if he recorded as 6"3.....he is no dwarf.

That hasn't been the case for a while.  Tall players can now compete - and had Del Potro not been injured, he'd have dominated at least one year.  He's 6' 6. But when so many are tall in the later stages, it's completely accurate to say tall players prosper more than small players.  That's a fact. Fed nadal murray and djok are not small players as you note.

Mo way could have Delpo domimated...he has a negative h2h with all big four.

His movement is not good enough for domination. And frankly, neither is his serve for such a tall guy.

Tenez wrote:It's annoying they put all these women matches at once. No mens....and then you have all the mens playing at once...so you miss some good mens match.

Yes, that is quite annoying.

And unneccessary.

bogbrush wrote:Watched the match & pleased she won.

She really needs something on that 2nd serve, and her movement to the backhand is a weakness but it's about adding to what she's got, not taming the tigress to make her safer.

I can't imagine her game ever being tamed or safe,

That is in her fibre!

Dynamite.

... wrote:

Tenez wrote:It's annoying they put all these women matches at once. No mens....and then you have all the mens playing at once...so you miss some good mens match.

Yes, that is quite annoying.

And unneccessary.

Maybe Vee loves it as it falls within equal rights stuff. ..oops wrong thread.....

Wow, Paire has learnt to "rally"!

Paire's FH is worse than Murray's! That says something!

Murray is sprinting like a rabbit.
Injury talk is a load of BS.

Tenez wrote:Paire's FH is worse than Murray's! That says something!

Yes...hence the "rallying"

Well, there was a really good one dtl, so he can hit it!