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noleisthebest wrote:But despite the silly hair, I'm beginning to warm up to him
Looks like I delivered a kiss of death
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Monf-Dimi next....who's gonna outrun who in this one?
....which is a depressing question to be asked about two such tall players...
....which is a depressing question to be asked about two such tall players...
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Monf playing with purpose today, but I can see why he doesn't do it more often.
For him it requires focus, steeliness and ruthlessness he simply doesn't have in his character.
For him it requires focus, steeliness and ruthlessness he simply doesn't have in his character.
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I think he could have had he not had such a tough match yesterday.noleisthebest wrote:Question of the Day:
Can Ferru do it?
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And rightly so cause I think he the weakest of the top 10.noleisthebest wrote:Bottom half of the draw has opened up beautifully for Monfils, Raonic and Dimitrov, the latter two will be super keen to make their first 1000 final.
I don't see Berdych hungry to win anything.
He seems to be happy with making it to the
WTF every year.
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?Tenez wrote:I think he could have had he not had such a tough match yesterday.noleisthebest wrote:Question of the Day:
Can Ferru do it?
Ferrer doesn't get tired from these sorts of matches, if not anything it warms him up. Ferrer won his 2 sets 6-2 and 6-1, not even very long match.
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He'll beat Monfils in the SF.Tenez wrote:And rightly so cause I think he the weakest of the top 10.noleisthebest wrote:Bottom half of the draw has opened up beautifully for Monfils, Raonic and Dimitrov, the latter two will be super keen to make their first 1000 final.
I don't see Berdych hungry to win anything.
He seems to be happy with making it to the
WTF every year.
I really really hope he beats Nole in the final, but I just don't see it happening.
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He has a v gd record vs le monf and has beaten him twice already this year. Just hope Le Monf can keep charging!
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A fine start from Nole.
If he crushes Cilic, Nadal will tank. He's got to keep his H2H and give his fans something to cling to
If he crushes Cilic, Nadal will tank. He's got to keep his H2H and give his fans something to cling to
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It doesn't count as a tank if you're going to lose anyway.noleisthebest wrote:A fine start from Nole.
If he crushes Cilic, Nadal will tank. He's got to keep his H2H and give his fans something to cling to
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Kim Jong-Un wrote:It doesn't count as a tank if you're going to lose anyway.noleisthebest wrote:A fine start from Nole.
If he crushes Cilic, Nadal will tank. He's got to keep his H2H and give his fans something to cling to
So long as he keeps H2Hs...the rest is fifty shades of his humility...
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I think there is gonna be a  for Cilic, on its way.
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I noticed Nole's really cautious with his overheads in Monte Carlo following his recent "displays"...at least he's putting them in...
I was really cheeky in Boodles two years ago.
Following that tragic botched overhead in 2013 RG against Nadal, I told him "let it bounce first!".
And the funny thing was next week during one of his post match interviews in Wimbledon he said "I know everyone thinks I can't hit an overhead..."
I was really cheeky in Boodles two years ago.
Following that tragic botched overhead in 2013 RG against Nadal, I told him "let it bounce first!".
And the funny thing was next week during one of his post match interviews in Wimbledon he said "I know everyone thinks I can't hit an overhead..."
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raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:I think there is gonna be a  for Cilic, on its way.
At this rate, Nadal may give Ferrer a w/o
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Cilic a long way off US open form.
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Nadal winning points by putting in endless short super-safe moon-balls...tennis at its tragic worst!
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What ? Are you even watching ? Nadal is actually hitting the ball quite deep here (apart from his second serve returns).noleisthebest wrote:Nadal winning points by putting in endless short super-safe moon-balls...tennis at its tragic worst!
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Ferrer looking tired...
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What ? When was he looking tired ? He literally could not look less tired.noleisthebest wrote:Ferrer looking tired...
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Kim Jong-Un wrote:What ? Are you even watching ? Nadal is actually hitting the ball quite deep here (apart from his second serve returns).noleisthebest wrote:Nadal winning points by putting in endless short super-safe moon-balls...tennis at its tragic worst!
I am.
Without the blinkers, though...
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Kim Jong-Un wrote:What ? When was he looking tired ? He literally could not look less tired.noleisthebest wrote:Ferrer looking tired...
Another example of your blindness...
Who is trying to shorten the points, Nadal or Ferrer?
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Who in their right mind apart from Djokovic would intentionally want to go into long rally with Nadal at Monte Carlo ?noleisthebest wrote:Kim Jong-Un wrote:What ? When was he looking tired ? He literally could not look less tired.noleisthebest wrote:Ferrer looking tired...
Another example of your blindness...
Who is trying to shorten the points, Nadal or Ferrer?
It doesn't mean he's tired.
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Ferrer is a certainly stiff but he should loosen up. The high temps certainly don't help him.
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Nadal taking his usual 30s after a long rally.....well 45 after the second ball is served!
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Ferrer attacks best from defensive positions, he seems to panic when he has plenty of time...
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Nadal's level of sweating has reached new levels...to match the amount of muscle and spin.
And Robbie now selling his soul and Nadal saying how is volleying is underestimated...just because he deflected a pass from Ferrer.
No wonder fans from around the world are so ignorant!
And Robbie now selling his soul and Nadal saying how is volleying is underestimated...just because he deflected a pass from Ferrer.
No wonder fans from around the world are so ignorant!
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Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
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Double breaks....both while facing the sun serving.....not good.
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Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
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Typical of the ATP... make sure Nadal Ferrer is scheduled for when there is a sun.Tenez wrote:Double breaks....both while facing the sun serving.....not good.
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Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.Tenez wrote:Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.
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Ferrer first serve points won: 45%
Ferrer second serve points won: 64%
Ferrer second serve points won: 64%
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Tenez wrote:Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Yes, same reason why Murray is in top 4 despite having such a poor 2nd serve.
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Kim Jong-Un wrote:Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.Tenez wrote:Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.
Nadal does not bother hitting brilliant deep returns like Nole, he returns them safely and engages opponents in a rally.
That's all he is able to do...win by draining opponents, not outplaying them with good shots.
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The point is he got them deep enough so the opponent couldn't follow up with a very easy winner.
These days he either totally misses with that shot, or it doesn't even cross the service line.
These days he either totally misses with that shot, or it doesn't even cross the service line.
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Kim Jong-Un wrote:The point is he got them deep enough so the opponent couldn't follow up with a very easy winner.
These days he either totally misses with that shot, or it doesn't even cross the service line.
You are talking off the top of your head here...
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Ferrer really blew this set...
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4 winners rafa, ferrer 19 ue's.
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What ?noleisthebest wrote:Kim Jong-Un wrote:The point is he got them deep enough so the opponent couldn't follow up with a very easy winner.
These days he either totally misses with that shot, or it doesn't even cross the service line.
You are talking off the top of your head here...
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Obviously Nadal has never actually attacked on the 2nd serve return like Djokovic and Murray do; but he does get it far back enough with the spin to engage his opponent in a rally.
Sending Ferrer dolly drops, or missing, is not engaging Ferrer in anything.
Sending Ferrer dolly drops, or missing, is not engaging Ferrer in anything.
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Ferrer's double faults there probably the only way Nadal can win points on the second serve return.
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Kim Jong-Un wrote:Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.Tenez wrote:Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.
Show me clips of the pre-2010 where his returns were consistently deep.
Have a good weekend!
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Ferrer is really tired. While Nadal's decline is again a fantasy story like his injuries to explain to his fans the inexplicable: Nadal's obsolete game!
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Nadal running crazy right and left again an old tired man. Shameless! And gets a warning!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkyaXPHmssTenez wrote:Kim Jong-Un wrote:Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.Tenez wrote:Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.
Show me clips of the pre-2010 where his returns were consistently deep.
Have a good weekend!
By deep, I am not talking about getting it right on the line like Djokovic or Murray.
But it was enough to bounce around midway between service line and baseline, spin up, and difficult to attack- after which Nadal tried to have a rally with his forehand in play.
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Good game from Ferrer.
I'd love the third set just to see how much Nadal can last in this super-juiced mode.
I'd love the third set just to see how much Nadal can last in this super-juiced mode.
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No, we need clay here. Cause on grass he has no choice to stand bit closer and the ball comes slightly faster to him.Kim Jong-Un wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkyaXPHmss
By deep, I am not talking about getting it right on the line like Djokovic or Murray.
But it was enough to bounce around midway between service line and baseline, spin up, and difficult to attack- after which Nadal tried to have a rally with his forehand in play.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JaIgFua2wYTenez wrote:No, we need clay here. Cause on grass he has no choice to stand bit closer and the ball comes slightly faster to him.Kim Jong-Un wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkyaXPHmss
By deep, I am not talking about getting it right on the line like Djokovic or Murray.
But it was enough to bounce around midway between service line and baseline, spin up, and difficult to attack- after which Nadal tried to have a rally with his forehand in play.
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Tenez wrote:Kim Jong-Un wrote:Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.Tenez wrote:Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.
Show me clips of the pre-2010 where his returns were consistently deep.
Have a good weekend!
Dropshot.
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