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Post by luvsports! on Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:18 am

Wow Rao retires.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:20 am

noleisthebest wrote:But despite the silly hair, I'm beginning to warm up to him Yikes

Looks like I delivered a kiss of death Wah

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:22 am

Monf-Dimi next....who's gonna outrun who in this one?

....which is a depressing question to be asked about two such tall players...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:22 am

Monf playing with purpose today, but I can see why he doesn't do it more often.

For him it requires focus, steeliness and ruthlessness he simply doesn't have in his character.



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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:29 am

noleisthebest wrote:Question of the Day:

Can Ferru do it?
I think he could have had he not had such a tough match yesterday.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:31 am

noleisthebest wrote:Bottom half of the draw has opened up beautifully for Monfils, Raonic and Dimitrov, the latter two will be super keen to make their first 1000 final.

I don't see Berdych hungry to win anything.
He seems to be happy with making it to the
WTF every year.


And rightly so cause I think he the weakest of the top 10.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:48 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Question of the Day:

Can Ferru do it?
I think he could have had he not had such a tough match yesterday.
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Ferrer doesn't get tired from these sorts of matches, if not anything it warms him up. Ferrer won his 2 sets 6-2 and 6-1, not even very long match.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:49 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Bottom half of the draw has opened up beautifully for Monfils, Raonic and Dimitrov, the latter two will be super keen to make their first 1000 final.

I don't see Berdych hungry to win anything.
He seems to be happy with making it to the
WTF every year.


And rightly so cause I think he the weakest of the top 10.
He'll beat Monfils in the SF.
I really really hope he beats Nole in the final, but I just don't see it happening.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:14 pm

He has a v gd record vs le monf and has beaten him twice already this year. Just hope Le Monf can keep charging!


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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:22 pm

A fine start from Nole.

If he crushes Cilic, Nadal will tank. He's got to keep his H2H and give his fans something to cling to Winking

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:25 pm

noleisthebest wrote:A fine start from Nole.

If he crushes Cilic, Nadal will tank. He's got to keep his H2H and give his fans something to cling to Winking
It doesn't count as a tank if you're going to lose anyway.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:28 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:A fine start from Nole.

If he crushes Cilic, Nadal will tank. He's got to keep his H2H and give his fans something to cling to Winking
It doesn't count as a tank if you're going to lose anyway.

So long as he keeps H2Hs...the rest is fifty shades of his humility...

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:35 pm

I think there is gonna be a  donut for Cilic, on its way.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:36 pm

I noticed Nole's really cautious with his overheads in Monte Carlo following his recent "displays"...at least he's putting them in...

I was really cheeky in Boodles two years ago.
Following that tragic botched overhead in 2013 RG against Nadal, I told him "let it bounce first!".

And the funny thing was next week during one of his post match interviews in Wimbledon he said "I know everyone thinks I can't hit an overhead..." Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:38 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:I think there is gonna be a  donut for Cilic, on its way.

At this rate, Nadal may give Ferrer a w/o Winking

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:06 pm

Cilic a long way off US open form.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:50 pm

Nadal winning points by putting in endless short super-safe moon-balls...tennis at its tragic worst!

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:57 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Nadal winning points by putting in endless short super-safe moon-balls...tennis at its tragic worst!
What ? Are you even watching ? Nadal is actually hitting the ball quite deep here (apart from his second serve returns).

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:57 pm

Ferrer looking tired... Sad

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:58 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Ferrer looking tired... Sad
What ? When was he looking tired ? He literally could not look less tired.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:00 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Nadal winning points by putting in endless short super-safe moon-balls...tennis at its tragic worst!
What ? Are you even watching ? Nadal is actually hitting the ball quite deep here (apart from his second serve returns).

I am.
Without the blinkers, though...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:01 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Ferrer looking tired... Sad
What ? When was he looking tired ? He literally could not look less tired.

Another example of your blindness...
Who is trying to shorten the points, Nadal or Ferrer?

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:05 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Ferrer looking tired... Sad
What ? When was he looking tired ? He literally could not look less tired.

Another example of your blindness...
Who is trying to shorten the points, Nadal or Ferrer?
Who in their right mind apart from Djokovic would intentionally want to go into long rally with Nadal at Monte Carlo ?
It doesn't mean he's tired.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:07 pm

Ferrer is a certainly stiff but he should loosen up. The high temps certainly don't help him.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:11 pm

Nadal taking his usual 30s after a long rally.....well 45 after the second ball is served!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:12 pm

Ferrer attacks best from defensive positions, he seems to panic when he has plenty of time...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:18 pm

Nadal's level of sweating has reached new levels...to match the amount of muscle and spin.

And Robbie now selling his soul and Nadal saying how is volleying is underestimated...just because he deflected a pass from Ferrer.

No wonder fans from around the world are so ignorant!


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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:20 pm

Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:20 pm

Double breaks....both while facing the sun serving.....not good.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:23 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:25 pm

Tenez wrote:Double breaks....both while facing the sun serving.....not good.
Typical of the ATP... make sure Nadal Ferrer is scheduled for when there is a sun.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:26 pm

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.
Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:29 pm

Ferrer first serve points won: 45%
Ferrer second serve points won: 64%

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:29 pm

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.

Yes, same reason why Murray is in top 4 despite having such a poor 2nd serve.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:33 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.
Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.

Nadal does not bother hitting brilliant deep returns like Nole, he returns them safely and engages opponents in a rally.
That's all he is able to do...win by draining opponents, not outplaying them with good shots.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:34 pm

The point is he got them deep enough so the opponent couldn't follow up with a very easy winner.
These days he either totally misses with that shot, or it doesn't even cross the service line.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:35 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:The point is he got them deep enough so the opponent couldn't follow up with a very easy winner.
These days he either totally misses with that shot, or it doesn't even cross the service line.

You are talking off the top of your head here...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:36 pm

Ferrer really blew this set...

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:37 pm

4 winners rafa, ferrer 19 ue's.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:41 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:The point is he got them deep enough so the opponent couldn't follow up with a very easy winner.
These days he either totally misses with that shot, or it doesn't even cross the service line.

You are talking off the top of your head here...
What ?

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:42 pm

Obviously Nadal has never actually attacked on the 2nd serve return like Djokovic and Murray do; but he does get it far back enough with the spin to engage his opponent in a rally.

Sending Ferrer dolly drops, or missing, is not engaging Ferrer in anything.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:43 pm

Ferrer's double faults there probably the only way Nadal can win points on the second serve return.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:54 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.
Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.

Show me clips of the pre-2010 where his returns were consistently deep.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:56 pm

Ferrer is really tired. While Nadal's decline is again a fantasy story like his injuries to explain to his fans the inexplicable: Nadal's obsolete game!

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:57 pm

Nadal running crazy right and left again an old tired man. Shameless! And gets a warning! ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo - Page 5 2355573927

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:01 pm

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.
Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.

Show me clips of the pre-2010 where his returns were consistently deep.

Have a good weekend!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkyaXPHmss

By deep, I am not talking about getting it right on the line like Djokovic or Murray.
But it was enough to bounce around midway between service line and baseline, spin up, and difficult to attack- after which Nadal tried to have a rally with his forehand in play.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:07 pm

Good game from Ferrer.

I'd love the third set just to see how much Nadal can last in this super-juiced mode.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:13 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkyaXPHmss

By deep, I am not talking about getting it right on the line like Djokovic or Murray.
But it was enough to bounce around midway between service line and baseline, spin up, and difficult to attack- after which Nadal tried to have a rally with his forehand in play.
No, we need clay here. Cause on grass he has no choice to stand bit closer and the ball comes slightly faster to him.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkyaXPHmss

By deep, I am not talking about getting it right on the line like Djokovic or Murray.
But it was enough to bounce around midway between service line and baseline, spin up, and difficult to attack- after which Nadal tried to have a rally with his forehand in play.
No, we need clay here. Cause on grass he has no choice to stand bit closer and the ball comes slightly faster to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JaIgFua2wY

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Nadal used to have one of the best second serve returns in the world, now his second serve return is probably the worst in the whole tour.
Disagree. He always had good stats for 2nd serve returns but that was not due to teh quality of his returns just the fact he managed to keep the ball in court and engage his longs rallies. His returns have always been the same. Just that players are used to attack those short returns. Something they had to get used to cause it is not the length that was the problem but the spin.
Um... no; his second serve returns used to normally bounce 3/4 way through the court and kick up to be annoying to attack.
Now they're either into the net, or really really short, or miles out of the court.

Show me clips of the pre-2010 where his returns were consistently deep.

Have a good weekend!

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