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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:19 pm

Djokovic moaning to the umpire about wanting to have more time between points.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:19 pm

Great hold from Nole!


Tbh, I seriously cannot imagine this level of physicality in the best of 5.

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Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:20 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Djokovic moaning to the umpire about wanting to have more time between points.

He was not moaning, he took it well.

We know who moans and threatens umpires...IN PUBLIC!

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Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:21 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:I don't normally gamble, but I've put quite a lot in Djokovic winning in straight sets here.

I have just realised you are cheering for Nole to win now, brilliiant! Laugh
No I'm not ?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:25 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Djokovic moaning to the umpire about wanting to have more time between points.

He was not moaning, he took it well.

We know who moans and threatens umpires...IN PUBLIC!
He reminded the umpire of 'common sense', so it's kinda moaning.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:26 pm

Inreally admire Nole for being able to cope with these insanely physical shots from Nadal.

Nadal playing best I've seen him.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:27 pm

Not a bad set at all from Nadal's perspective, just a few break points here and there- wouldn't mind another set like that.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:31 pm

After seeing physicality in this set of tennis, all other matches this week look like a joke...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:34 pm

No,e playing much more relaxed now, recipe for a straight sets win.
So long as the doesn't relax too much!

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Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:35 pm

Nadal has a great overhead...

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:47 pm

Nadal getting tired... not chasing drop shots

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:51 pm

Apologies to any Murray fan who's watching... but this is a lot more interesting than Murray-Djokovic.

The Nadal-Djoko match-up has also changed a lot since the AO 2012 which was a bit more defensive from both.

Anyone else watching ?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by luvsports! on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:04 pm

Imo that isn't hard as that is dull as.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:11 pm

Nadal's double fault 40-0 proved very costly there...

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:22 pm

lol that match was closer than the scoreline suggested... the two 10 minute games in each set were crucial.

I think both players will take encouragement from that match

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:24 pm

In future Nadal needs to get his FH DTL back to have a chance against Djokovic, the inside out forehand was working well, the cross court forehand didn't break down... but the fact he didn't go down the line enough meant Djokovic was well position in each rally.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:25 pm

luvsports! wrote:Imo that isn't hard as that is dull as.
Agreed though my web link was not great. I could not see many points which was frustrating....I even fell asleep.


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:27 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:lol that match was closer than the scoreline suggested... the two 10 minute games in each set were crucial.

I think both players will take encouragement from that match
I personally felt that it was so much down to Djoko cutting his UEs. ....and it looked like he had so much margin of winning this that he coudl afford to go for many risky shots knowing he coudl always revert to safe game if needed. So imo it was not close at all.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by truffin1 on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:27 pm

Well- I thought at their levels yesterday it would be 6-2.6-2.   Djoko started a level lower today and Nadal upped his level and made it to 6-3,6-3...  really a better fought match than that scores shows though. 

Nadal hasn't declined as much as Kim wants us to believe-   certainly his docs look to have corrected his Peds issues that caused him to shed hair and be sluggish earlier in the year.  He basically looks like Nadal of old now.  

since 2011- it's 13-7 Djoko H2H now- nearly 2 to 1... and in best of 3- it's 10-3.   Once Nadal does drop his physical level a bit that allows him to endure in the best of 5's this rivalry is all but over.  Djoko has a firm grip on it as it stands now anyway.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:28 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:In future Nadal needs to get his FH DTL back to have a chance against Djokovic, the inside out forehand was working well, the cross court forehand didn't break down... but the fact he didn't go down the line enough meant Djokovic was well position in each rally.
You kidding? That the safest shot on earth!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by luvsports! on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:30 pm

\Still the onus is on Novak to WIN the FO, rafa won't yield easily and he will be at 100% in his attempts for a 10th RG title.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:31 pm

luvsports! wrote:\Still the onus is on Novak to WIN the FO, rafa won't yield easily and he will be at 100% in his attempts for a 10th RG title.
He won't win that one!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Veejay on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:34 pm

el toro beaten in straight sets Laugh

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:37 pm

truffin1 wrote:Well- I thought at their levels yesterday it would be 6-2.6-2.   Djoko started a level lower today and Nadal upped his level and made it to 6-3,6-3...  really a better fought match than that scores shows though. 
It was a lot closer than I expected, although no one would be able to tell from the scoreline.

truffin wrote:since 2011- it's 13-7 Djoko H2H now
the h2h between nadal and djokovic seems to fluctuate from one way to another dramatically, i think nadal had a few in a row, then djokovic won 7 in a row, then nadal actually won 6 out of next 7, then djokovic has won 4 out of next 5.
In Slams though after AO 2012, it's 4-0 nadal, which for me is the only important one. Nadal also won the first set in 3 of those.

I wouldn't say Nadal is back to 'Nadal of old'; ok he played well today... but where was the FH DTL ? He needs the FH DTL, that's the shot which meant he's had success against djokovic in slams (especially thinking back to the USO 2013 final).

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:38 pm

Veejay wrote:el toro beaten in straight sets Laugh
You only show up when Nadal loses, I can't remember you turning up here when Nadal won the FO 2013, USO 2013, or FO 2014.


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Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:39 pm

luvsports! wrote:\Still the onus is on Novak to WIN the FO, rafa won't yield easily and he will be at 100% in his attempts for a 10th RG title.
Nadal has greater chance of winning USO than FO in my opinion.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:49 pm

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I personally felt that it was so much down to Djoko cutting his UEs. ....and it looked like he had so much margin of winning this that he coudl afford to go for many risky shots knowing he coudl always revert to safe game if needed. So imo it was not close at all.
Summed up perfectly!

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Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:55 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apologies to any Murray fan who's watching... but this is a lot more interesting than Murray-Djokovic.

The Nadal-Djoko match-up has also changed a lot since the AO 2012 which was a bit more defensive from both.

Anyone else watching ?

I agree, this was the most watchable match tennis wise from them.

I am still recovering from the level of physicality. Esp in the first set.

The match reminded me of Wimbledon 2014 final. It was on Nole's racquet all the time...Nadal just made it look competitive.

Still good match for him too as the opposition who may have starting to hope following Nadal's average recent performances will not look forward to playing him after seeing what he's been capable of physically.
He's sent a clear message to the locker room.

After today, clay season looks to be another two man show.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:00 pm

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AceofDeath wrote:Yes I remember you from v2, Josiah here sir Whistle
Hi Josiah!
How are you doing these days?
I remember you as a discerning Fed fan, have you enjoyed/discovered  other players?
Hello NITB smiley
I think Federer has 1 more slam in him, obviously not clay though lol. I like Dolgopolov and Stan too, especially Dolgo!
Keeping myself in shape zen  How about you?

Everything under control...only just!

One day, I'll just hop on a magic carpet and fly away...in the meantime, tennis keeping me sane and grounded...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:03 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
I personally felt that it was so much down to Djoko cutting his UEs. ....and it looked like he had so much margin of winning this that he coudl afford to go for many risky shots knowing he coudl always revert to safe game if needed. So imo it was not close at all.
Summed up perfectly!
Djokovic cutting down UEs though is easier said than done...

But yes I agree on this point: unless nadal gets the FH DTL firing he has no chance of beating djokovic. At best he can play like he did today (quite well), maybe win a few points here and there and push djokovic to a deciding set; but unless he has that FH to keep Djokovic honest, he will never have the edge.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:07 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
I personally felt that it was so much down to Djoko cutting his UEs. ....and it looked like he had so much margin of winning this that he coudl afford to go for many risky shots knowing he coudl always revert to safe game if needed. So imo it was not close at all.
Summed up perfectly!
Djokovic cutting down UEs though is easier said than done...
But yes I agree on this point: unless nadal gets the FH DTL firing he has no chance of beating djokovic. At best he can play like he did today (quite well), maybe win a few points here and there and push djokovic to a deciding set; but unless he has that FH to keep Djokovic honest, he will never have the edge.
Nadal doesn't have either the game or shots to outplay Nole.
Nole has been a superior player from day one.
Nadal beats Nole only by outlasting or drawing errors out of him by making him play an extra shot.

That's how he's won all their many close matches.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:17 pm

It doesn't matter how you win NITB, what matters is winning.

Djokovic plays differently now than he played when he was younger, and he's playing a lot more defensively. He used to take more risks when he was a youngster, and many times they wouldn't pay off. But he's learned and changed to a more neutral baseliner rather than attacking.
What's wrong with that, he's picking up titles ?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by luvsports! on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:22 pm

Djoko does that to most people 2bh.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:24 pm

Nole's game has always been the same: aggressive counterpuncher.

He never played risky tennis. (or riskier than now)

He has just adapted to slowed down conditions by adding more shots as more variety is now needed to find a spare inch of free court to put the ball away.

Unless you are Federer and can create space by taking time away from your opponent.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by DECIMA on Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:35 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Nole's game has always been the same: aggressive counterpuncher.
I see him as more of a 'neutral baseliner'. Or maybe we're both saying the same thing really.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:26 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
I personally felt that it was so much down to Djoko cutting his UEs. ....and it looked like he had so much margin of winning this that he coudl afford to go for many risky shots knowing he coudl always revert to safe game if needed. So imo it was not close at all.
Summed up perfectly!
Djokovic cutting down UEs though is easier said than done...

But yes I agree on this point: unless nadal gets the FH DTL firing he has no chance of beating djokovic. At best he can play like he did today (quite well), maybe win a few points here and there and push djokovic to a deciding set; but unless he has that FH to keep Djokovic honest, he will never have the edge.
I think it took a while for Djoko to get used to Nadal's game (ball) again as they had not played for a year almost....I feel their next encounter could be more one sided.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:58 am

The depressing thing about today results is that tomorrow result is even more guaranteed!

I won't be watching.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Autumnleaf on Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:48 am

noleistbebest wrote:Nole has stopped the rot, so from that point of view he has certainly ressurected it.
Nadal would've probably wom 20 slams by now if it wasn't for Nole and how sad would that be...
(...)

20 slams? How so, when Djokovic has only beaten him three times so far in majors? If I give them all to Nadal, which I probably would, he'd have 17 (not sure about USO 11). Only he still wouldn't have the record then, because Nadal is not the only player who was beaten repeatedly by Djokovic.

About the time issue: This guy has timed the Wimbledon 08 final.

http://www.riaanbooysen.com/misc/47-tennis?start=4

He timed Nadal on average at 30 secs and Federer at 20 secs. Federer's average is pretty high here for his standard, but I noticed it usually is against Nadal, maybe due to opponent.

I have only seen parts of the second set of the Djokodal match and it didn't look close. Nadal had to fight tooth and nail in most every service game of his, while Djokovic seemed to have it a lot easier in his. In the end Nadal looked tired.  Yikes Not sure though whether it was physical or because he felt there was nothing he could do today and just gave up.

No need to watch the final, the only question there is, how many games can Berd win. We may be in for some lopsided finals this year, because of possibly unbalanced draws. The fun of it.  Applause

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Post by ... on Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:07 am

Who do you think would have won the remaining slams?

It's not only those finals the two met, but also the dented confidence Nadal had to live with.

2012 AO final took a lot out of him.


As for yesterdays's match not being physical...it doesn't have to go to three sets these days for it to be exhausting.
Physicality is in the energy spent in ball-striking, and both players, especially Nadal were hitting it extremely hard.

That is why Nadal appeared tired to you and that is why we are seeing so many bagel sets these days.

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Post by ... on Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:12 am

Tenez wrote:The depressing thing about today results is that tomorrow result is even more guaranteed!
I won't be watching.
Yes, it's not going to be the most exciting final...in fact, it felt weird there was no presentation after Nole-Nadal match yesterday...

I hope to see some of it, though it will be hard as I have visitors arriving today...

Bottom half of the draw was all over the place all week....I saw highlights of Berd-Monf...what was the matter with him?
He played like he didn't have any breakfast...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:17 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:The depressing thing about today results is that tomorrow result is even more guaranteed!
I won't be watching.
Yes, it's not going to be the most exciting final...in fact, it felt weird there was no presentation after Nole-Nadal match yesterday...

I hope to see some of it, though it will be hard as I have visitors arriving today...

Bottom half of the draw was all over the place all week....I saw highlights of Berd-Monf...what was the matter with him?
He played like he didn't have any breakfast...
A few hours after their match was over I was thinking to myself "Oops I never waited to see the trophy ceremony Yikes "

Then it hit me it wasn't the final. Oh well I will see the highlights of a routine straight sets won from Djokovic after I've had dinner I guess Cheers

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:31 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Who do you think would have won the remaining slams?

It's not only those finals the two met, but also the dented confidence Nadal had to live with.

2012 AO final took a lot out of him.


As for yesterdays's match not being physical...it doesn't have to go to three sets these days for it to be exhausting.
Physicality is in the energy spent in ball-striking, and both players, especially Nadal were hitting it extremely hard.

That is why Nadal appeared tired to you and that is why we are seeing so many bagel sets these days.

I am pretty sure that had fed played another player than Djoko at USO09, Fed would have had the fitness to beat Dolpo in 3. or 4. It was 3 tight sets just the day before the final. Also in USO 2011 Fed played very well and coudl have had a god at Nadal if fresh (easier semi).

Djoko certainly prevented Nadal to add some more slams.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by luvsports! on Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:55 pm

Good start from banana berd brain, early break.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:05 pm

Early break but same result at the end. 2 straight sets.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:12 pm

Berdych lacks composure. Always did.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:24 pm

Back on serve. Berd has won more games than I thought.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by Tenez on Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:02 pm

Yes, Bird is doing well. I think the wet courts favour Berdych as it makes it harder for Djoko to cover as much ground.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:25 pm

Finally escaped and watching!

The score looks pretty close..is Berd good or Nole bad?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Monte Carlo

Post by ... on Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:30 pm

Conditions look quite heavy...even Berd can get to every ball Yikes

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:45 pm

1 set all.

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