Wimbledon 2021

Daniel2 wrote:Unlike Nadal, Fed's injury is real.  he doesn't come back from "serious knee complications" and win like he's been given a new body.

Absolutely spot on.

The last thing Federer would do is take 6 months off, have a knee surgery during it, and then win his first professional tournament on return by winning 3 5-setters in the space of a week.

Hahahaha

HIS20RY wrote:

Daniel2 wrote:Unlike Nadal, Fed's injury is real.  he doesn't come back from "serious knee complications" and win like he's been given a new body.

Absolutely spot on.

The last thing Federer would do is take 6 months off, have a knee surgery during it, and then win his first professional tournament on return by winning 3 5-setters in the space of a week.

Once again you're the king of selective memory.  Just look how many times Nadal has come back from "career threatening" injury.

https://theultimatetennisblog.com/koellerer-accuses-nadal-of-doping/


There's your real reason.  And only someone with nothing to lose would state the truth.

He's likely doped - and even when he hasn't - he is wildly exaggerating his injuries

"“Let’s take Nadal. It’s not possible that he tests negative. After 7 months out of the courts due to injury, he came back and won 10 out of 13 tournaments. That is impossible. Impossible! It tells you everything. "


I think I'll take his word over yours.  You don't even play the game.

I'm sorry I couldn't quite read that quote, could you increase the font size further?

Shapo Shapo Shapo, what did you do on that 1st set ffs, 2 mega power shot errors serving for the set, no need all that power!!, gifted 4 stright points on TB, now going home.

Come on Berretini on Sunday!!!!!

Djoko will break Margret Court's 24 slam record. He will win slams even when he is 38-39.

He is the real weak era beneficiary. He just didn't ever have a younger worthy opponent. Fed is finished. Nadal, he has already learnt to take care of. The likes of Murray/Stan who could have denied him a few slams are also gone away.

He will end up with all tennis records to his name.

The remaining bunch of nobodies can't tough him. Such dopes they are.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Djoko will break Margret Court's 24 slam record. He will win slams even when he is 38-39.

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No way. His tennis is way too much based on his fitness to be able to play well at 36. He has at most 12 months to go at the top. And that's a lot.

Nothing to do with weak era. They are surfing the wave of the new technology advantage like Pete and Agassi did. THe difference is that Djoko and Nadal are even more professional than Pete.

Tennis is amazing. One of the most beautiful shot maker losing to probably the ugliest shot maker ever...and the latter will probably have the greatest record, thanks to slowing down to the conditions and making shot making far less important than retrieving skills.

Time for change.

HIS20RY wrote:I'm sorry I couldn't quite read that quote, could you increase the font size further?

I didn't resize - i copied pasted but nice to see you have no come back.  Must be great living with all your cognitive dissonance haha.

Daniel2 wrote:

HIS20RY wrote:I'm sorry I couldn't quite read that quote, could you increase the font size further?

I didn't resize - i copied pasted but nice to see you have no come back.  Must be great living with all your cognitive dissonance haha.

I was just being light hearted, chill.

As for the big font quote; the guy who said that was himself banned for match fixing. He also made lots of grand claims about others match fixing which he couldn't back up with evidence. Perhaps a chip on his shoulder?

The logic isn't great, players can have serious injuries and still come back and compete. In football I've seen players with far worse injuries than most tennis players (ie torn ligaments after a brutal slide tackle), and return to their best.
Federer himself had a meniscus surgery after 6 months out in 2016, and started winning immediately on his return to tour (3 5-setters in 1 week which is mightily impressive for a 35 year old who is rusty).
Koellerer cited Nadal's 2013 comeback as suspicious, but in reality his success wasn't immediate like Federer's. In his first tournament he lost to Zeballos.
I don't think either Nadal or Federer's returns are suspicious. I've had many lectures on orthopaedic/ sports medicine and it's advanced a lot recently.

Btw I noticed you didn't reply to NITB's insult of Federer. Scared?

Tenez wrote:

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Djoko will break Margret Court's 24 slam record. He will win slams even when he is 38-39.

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No way. His tennis is way too much based on his fitness to be able to play well at 36. He has at most 12 months to go at the top. And that's a lot.

Nothing to do with weak era. They are surfing the wave of the new technology advantage like Pete and Agassi did. THe difference is that Djoko and Nadal are even more professional than Pete.

Nothing? Where are no, 2 seed Med, #3 Tsitsipas, Theim, Zverev  etc? How many times Fed, Nadal and Djo were loosing this easily in early rounds.  Your wave of new technology theory has some substance, but it can't be the major reason. Djoko was playing poorly and should have been losing in st. sets. He was behind in all 3 sets. And yet instead of losing in st. sets he wins in the same.

The same story at AO when Zverev was ahead in all the sets, yet loses. Do you want to say new tech is the cause why Tsitsipas lost the FO being 2-0 sets up? 

It's been 10 years since 2011 when Djo started his dominance and still, there hasn't been a consistent younger rival. The field is opened up like in women's tennis.


After 3 years when Djo has collected 25 slams and plans to retire, that's when men's field will become like the women's. All slams completely open for anyone to win. Top seeds losing in 1st rounds and unseeded ones reaching finals and even winning. FedNadal Djo were just too good to allow this to happen.  


I don't see anyone who can dislodge Djokovic. That chance was in 2017-18, but its gone now. Only time and his own fitness will eventually bring his end.

But by then he will have 25+ slams, 400+ weeks at#1 and almost all slam records to his name.

As usual Tenez logic out the window.  There's 2 reasons this era is weakest I've ever seen - 1.  Players not good enough 2.  The players that ARE good enough are serial bottlers.  Djokovic was completely outplayed at the FO and the difference was Tsitsipas saw the goal and then fell part.

Berrettini looks super nervous.  I can only watch the first set today, and I am quite happy about it - this will likely be quite depressing to watch.

summerblues wrote:Berrettini looks super nervous.  I can only watch the first set today, and I am quite happy about it - this will likely be quite depressing to watch.

nervous or not, he is simply not a good enough player to beat Djoko. Maybe take a set or push a bit longer.. but no more.

Djo is just living off unchallenged.

Poor old Djokovic, he knows he’s not loved nor ever will be & is driven on by the resentment. What’s all that stuff about not being finished - can you imagine Fedal ever speaking that way?

Yeah, goes into a final facing a: wildcard, qualifier, 2 unseeded players, seed 17 and a seed 10.

Djokobitchhhh

Maybe nitb was right all along.

Amazing from Djokovic

Respect to him!

a true legend of the sport.

20-20-20 will not last much, but I wish it stayed like that forever

naxroy wrote:Amazing from Djokovic

Respect to him!

a true legend of the sport.

20-20-20 will not last much, but I wish it stayed like that forever

Doesn't mean a thing.  The surface changes have destroyed this sport.

He will be forgoten next day he quits tennis.

True legend, listen to that naxroy crap.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

Tenez wrote:

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Djoko will break Margret Court's 24 slam record. He will win slams even when he is 38-39.

.....

No way. His tennis is way too much based on his fitness to be able to play well at 36. He has at most 12 months to go at the top. And that's a lot.

Nothing to do with weak era. They are surfing the wave of the new technology advantage like Pete and Agassi did. THe difference is that Djoko and Nadal are even more professional than Pete.

Nothing? Where are no, 2 seed Med, #3 Tsitsipas, Theim, Zverev  etc? How many times Fed, Nadal and Djo were loosing this easily in early rounds.  Your wave of new technology theory has some substance, but it can't be the major reason. Djoko was playing poorly and should have been losing in st. sets. He was behind in all 3 sets. And yet instead of losing in st. sets he wins in the same.

The same story at AO when Zverev was ahead in all the sets, yet loses. Do you want to say new tech is the cause why Tsitsipas lost the FO being 2-0 sets up? 

It's been 10 years since 2011 when Djo started his dominance and still, there hasn't been a consistent younger rival. The field is opened up like in women's tennis.


After 3 years when Djo has collected 25 slams and plans to retire, that's when men's field will become like the women's. All slams completely open for anyone to win. Top seeds losing in 1st rounds and unseeded ones reaching finals and even winning. FedNadal Djo were just too good to allow this to happen.  


I don't see anyone who can dislodge Djokovic. That chance was in 2017-18, but its gone now. Only time and his own fitness will eventually bring his end.

But by then he will have 25+ slams, 400+ weeks at#1 and almost all slam records to his name.

Imagine 2 secs that in 2001 nothing changes. No new strings, no slow down of the courts, no bigger frames and therefore no need to run for ever and use egg chambers....Do you really think Nadal and Djoko would have won 20 slams like Pete serve and volleying? Because that was the only way to win at the USO and Wimbledon and it gave you a good chance for the AO.

Think a bit!

The chance Nadal and Djoko have had is to get that head start given by new technology and court conds. Even Murray tried to make the most of it. As long as you worked hard enough to retrieve anything, you d be assured to get to the business end of slams. That's why those guys were deadly consistent.

Then as i said, players do improve with times....and you cannot deny it now. Meaning that the experience Djoko and Nadal had is very difficult for the youngsters to catch up, simply because while youngsters meet the very best on the occasion, the very best train more against each other and learn with the better players.

There is only one way you will realise what I say is simply true! In a couple of years, probably less time (just look how Shapo is getting closer each time), you will see him, Tsi and others completely blast Djoko off the court cause they have a much better game. They just need a bit more experience and with this will come confidence,...and the chances are that in a few months, those guys will beat Djoko in 3 sets.

Tenez wrote:

There is only one way you will realise what I say is simply true! In a couple of years, probably less time (just look how Shapo is getting closer each time), you will see him, Tsi and others completely blast Djoko off the court cause they have a much better game. They just need a bit more experience and with this will come confidence,...and the chances are that in a few months, those guys will beat Djoko in 3 sets.

You've been saying this for AGES.

HIS20RY wrote:

Tenez wrote:

There is only one way you will realise what I say is simply true! In a couple of years, probably less time (just look how Shapo is getting closer each time), you will see him, Tsi and others completely blast Djoko off the court cause they have a much better game. They just need a bit more experience and with this will come confidence,...and the chances are that in a few months, those guys will beat Djoko in 3 sets.

You've been saying this for AGES.

yep...and Rublev beat Nadal on clay, lately didn't he? Tsi as well and him and Shapo had MPs in their last encounter. So it is getting there.

Were I was wrong is very much were I was actually right! The players do improve and last longer than I even thought!

Never would I have thought 5 years ago, than an injured 40yo could reach the 1/4F of a slam!

Tenez wrote:
yep...and Rublev beat Nadal on clay, lately didn't he?

Lmao, Nadal lost the plot and hit tonnes of DFs in this match. Even Rublev said after the match that Rafa was way way below normal level.

Tenez wrote:
Were I was wrong is very much were I was actually right! The players do improve and last longer than I even thought!

Never would I have thought 5 years ago, than an injured 40yo could reach the 1/4F of a slam!

Nadal is now mediocre, while Federer is even below mediocre; if you compare to normal peak levels.
The reason they're still doing okay is because nextgen are embarrassingly bad.

And it is embarrassing... More so the mental side.  because Theim, Zverev, and esp Tsitispas have the game - but fold like wet paper - every single time they see that robot.

Grandpa Fed - the worst I've ever seen him - managed a QF again.  It's a joke.

Daniel2 wrote:And it is embarrassing... More so the mental side.  because Theim, Zverev, and esp Tsitispas have the game - but fold like wet paper - every single time they see that robot.

So the fact Tsim Musetti collapsed from 2 sets up v Djoko at the French is a mental issue? nothing to do with Djoko even able to outlast Nadal?

Tenez wrote:

Daniel2 wrote:And it is embarrassing... More so the mental side.  because Theim, Zverev, and esp Tsitispas have the game - but fold like wet paper - every single time they see that robot.

So the fact Tsim Musetti  collapsed from 2 sets up v Djoko at the French is a mental issue? nothing to do with Djoko even able to outlast Nadal?

Mentally weak. Musseti, Tsitsi, all of them

If Djokovic wins USO, not only will it be #21 but he will have won the 'Grand Slam'.

Someone needs to stop him PLEASE.

Best bet is Nadal because he has 2-1 H2H vs Djoko at USO, and won't choke like the NextGen if he has a chance of winning.
However, his level of play this year has been dire. His serve in particular has been a complete shambles. He needs to recover his normal level to have a chance.

Djokovic has added serve-botting to his repertoire along with great returns, so the %s are low for any opponent unless they can crush him from the baseline.

Nadal is all but finished too really...  And it's so sad that an aged Nadal is the only one who is putting up any resistance.