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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:02 pm

Did you say you were impressed by Tifao? which one? I am watching him now v Bedene....not inspired.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:19 pm

Yes, it's him.
I like him.  Unconventional game and no silly cross-court "rallying".

But swiching to Nadal-Nishi.

Nishi must win this one in two easy sets.
Anything less will be a failure.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:23 pm

You can say what you like about Nole, but he is an absolute daddy for Nadal.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:49 pm

noleisthebest wrote:You can say what you like about Nole, but he is an absolute daddy for Nadal.
what do you mean?

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:54 pm

Nadal standing close to teh BL...much closer than ever before. Making more UEs but he knows standing back woudl be certain death!

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:59 pm

I have been saying that nadal has ben playing well in those last 3 matches. Not sure Trump thinks about it. I know he will be reluctant to say he plays better than before until he wins another slam but frankly he is. Problem is so are the others.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:11 pm

Tenez wrote:Did you say you were impressed by Tifao? which one? I am watching him now v Bedene....not inspired.

I had a look He is actually looking really sluggish for some reason. Was very different the other day.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:14 pm

Last 22 points


17 for nadal, 5 for Nishi.....still I fancy Nishi to win this match.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:15 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Did you say you were impressed by Tifao? which one? I am watching him now v Bedene....not inspired.

I had a look He is actually looking really sluggish for some reason. Was very different the other day.

Exactlly my word.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:16 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:You can say what you like about Nole, but he is an absolute daddy for Nadal.
what do you mean?
He is demolishing him at will unlike Nishi who is feeding Nadal short balls and cowering.

He had two BPs for 4:1 and managed to lose the set.


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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:16 pm

Tenez wrote:Last 22 points


17 for nadal, 5 for Nishi.....still I fancy Nishi to win this match.
Why?
He's already capitulated.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:20 pm

Wow, crowd in IW looks so plastic! Yikes
I can't decide who's worse: men woth their steroid muscles or women with trout pouts...all glowing in orange tan...

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:30 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Wow, crowd in IW looks so plastic! Yikes
I can't decide who's worse: men woth their steroid muscles or women with trout pouts...all glowing in orange tan...

yep. Well observed.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:39 pm

You were so right the other day when you said Nishi plays better when he is behind!

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:52 pm

disappointing again from Nishi. His game is too sharp...hence too fragile. That's the difference between him and Djoko. Djoko has always the option to run the miles and take kill Nadal's legs and arm in teh process. Nishi has to execute perfect shots. Much tougher on the mind.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:52 pm

noleisthebest wrote:You were so right the other day when you said Nishi plays better when he is behind!

but as soon as it's getting close again....he gets nevous.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:54 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:You were so right the other day when you said Nishi plays better when he is behind!

but as soon as it's getting close again....he gets nevous.

But whyyyy!!!!


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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:58 pm

Tenez wrote:disappointing again from Nishi. His game is too sharp...hence too fragile. That's the difference between him and Djoko. Djoko has always the option to run the miles and take kill Nadal's legs and arm in teh process. Nishi has to execute perfect shots. Much tougher on the mind.

No, Djoko sends consistent deep balls all the time... he makes Nadal, run not the other way round.

Nishi plays too many balls down the middle, and his CC ones are shortish so Nadal returns them with interest and then Nishi's on the backfoot going for broke...Imauppose it all goes back to his serve to a degree.

Why doesn'the always play like he can!
Looks like tires from attacking quickly.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:04 pm

Wow wow wow !!!

Vamosssss

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:06 pm

Nadal's forehand down the line at 15-30 5-4 first set was stunning; lovely performance overall. And no Tenez, he's obviously still not close to his best, one win doesn't mean everything.
Nishi was very fragile !? He's a great player but has to improve his mental focus if he wants to win slams.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:09 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:disappointing again from Nishi. His game is too sharp...hence too fragile. That's the difference between him and Djoko. Djoko has always the option to run the miles and take kill Nadal's legs and arm in teh process. Nishi has to execute perfect shots. Much tougher on the mind.

No, Djoko sends consistent deep balls all the time... he makes Nadal, run not the other way round.

Nishi plays too many balls down the middle, and his CC ones are shortish so Nadal returns them with interest and then Nishi's on the backfoot going for broke...Imauppose it all goes back to his serve to a degree.

Why doesn'the always play like he can!
Looks like tires from attacking quickly.
You can't make Nadal run without doing the running. That's one reason Nishi plays down the middle. Djoko always has to put the miles down to beat Nadal. ....Certainly this Nadal.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:56 pm

Quality match between Nole and Tsonga.

Good to see Tsonga play well.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:03 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Nadal's forehand down the line at 15-30 5-4 first set was stunning; lovely performance overall. And no Tenez, [b[he's obviously still not close to his best, [/b]one win doesn't mean everything.
Nishi was very fragile !? He's a great player but has to improve his mental focus if he wants to win slams.
And what is his best?

Playing 4m behind the baseline?

That best is not enough any more...what he is doing now is much more difficult (and better).

But he'll never shake his old FH with the same grip. This is as good as he will get with it.
It must be very mentally demanding to have to put so much muscle on the ball standing close to the baseline.
Simply not natural.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:33 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Nadal's forehand down the line at 15-30 5-4 first set was stunning; lovely performance overall. And no Tenez, [b[he's obviously still not close to his best, [/b]one win doesn't mean everything.
Nishi was very fragile !? He's a great player but has to improve his mental focus if he wants to win slams.
And what is his best?

Playing 4m behind the baseline?

That best is not enough any more...what he is doing now is much more difficult (and better).

But he'll never shake his old FH with the same grip. This is as good as he will get with it.
It must be very mentally demanding to have to put so much muscle on the ball standing close to the baseline.
Simply not natural.
Nadal at his best was much more attacking than he is now.
Remember USO 2013, Nadal hit the most forehand winners in the whole tournament. And he also drew a lot of forced errors with huge forehands down the line. Imagine that now lol, his forehand is more likely to have the most unforced errors in the tournament.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:34 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Nadal's forehand down the line at 15-30 5-4 first set was stunning; lovely performance overall. And no Tenez, [b[he's obviously still not close to his best, [/b]one win doesn't mean everything.
Nishi was very fragile !? He's a great player but has to improve his mental focus if he wants to win slams.
And what is his best?

Playing 4m behind the baseline?

That best is not enough any more...what he is doing now is much more difficult (and better).

But he'll never shake his old FH with the same grip. This is as good as he will get with it.
It must be very mentally demanding to have to put so much muscle on the ball standing close to the baseline.
Simply not natural.
Nadal at his best was much more attacking than he is now.
Remember USO 2013, Nadal hit the most forehand winners in the whole tournament. And he also drew a lot of forced errors with huge forehands down the line. Imagine that now lol, his forehand is more likely to have the most unforced errors in the tournament.

You are not objective. You never were anyway.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:52 pm

He simply is not as attacking now, I'm sorry, his forehands drop shorter and when he does try and attack he is more prone to making errors.

You talking about objectivity is hilarious !! You once saw Nadal hit a hotdog lob, and you said that players in your club could probably replicate the shot. Nadal could do anything and you would be critical, unless he started to regularly lose to your hero in Grand Slam finals.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:39 am

He can't attack as he has less time to strike his spin loaded FH being closer to the baseline and dealing with faster balls.

Players like Federer (who even half-volleys from there) take the ball so early it completely befuddles the opponent with the speed of exchange and only very few can cope with from standing on the baseline.

It's a different league playing on the baseline and taking the ball early.

Nadal can't do it, and that's the only reason why he can't attack from there.
Only when he creates time by moving the player away wide (which in his case requires many extra shots or a super serve) -  can he pull a "winner".

In the past, when he was reigniing from the back of the court, he had more time on the ball. But things have changed.  Now that everyone has improved in several ways (fitness, ball timing, experience, more shots) he can't survive there.

His only solution was to try and come closer to the baseline, and he has done a good job as this was a very difficult thing for him with that grip in particular, but as he lacks proper ball striking talent, ie he can't take the ball early - he can't control play from there - and he never will.

Now is his chance to show the world and tennis fans his talent if he has any. Muscle is not enough any more.


Which answers the talent question on the other thread. Winking

http://ourtennisforum.forumotion.co.uk/t1089-federer-opens-up-i-am-not-as-talented-as-nadal

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:01 pm

Did you watch Nadal in 2013 ?
He was taking the ball on from the baseline, and not only that, he was changing directions with the huge DTL FH at will.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:16 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Did you watch Nadal in 2013 ?
He was taking the ball on from the baseline, and not only that, he was changing directions with the huge DTL FH at will.


Oh yeah???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EJ6GxaQFA

You are really blind. Do you want to see how much faster were rallies v Nishi yesterday compared to USO 2013? I reckon at least 10%!

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:36 pm

Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Did you watch Nadal in 2013 ?
He was taking the ball on from the baseline, and not only that, he was changing directions with the huge DTL FH at will.


Oh yeah???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EJ6GxaQFA

You are really blind. Do you want to see how much faster were rallies v Nishi yesterday compared to USO 2013? I reckon at least 10%!

We've had a big debate over the speed of rallies, and I did some research into it and found that it had barely changed since 2007; remember my thread with all the stats ?

Also the quality of that USO 2013 is miles better than yesterday's match, as you can see if you watch the link you provided.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:16 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:
Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Did you watch Nadal in 2013 ?
He was taking the ball on from the baseline, and not only that, he was changing directions with the huge DTL FH at will.


Oh yeah???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EJ6GxaQFA

You are really blind. Do you want to see how much faster were rallies v Nishi yesterday compared to USO 2013? I reckon at least 10%!

We've had a big debate over the speed of rallies, and I did some research into it and found that it had barely changed since 2007; remember my thread with all the stats ?

Also the quality of that USO 2013 is miles better than yesterday's match, as you can see if you watch the link you provided.

Yes it is still there and it showed again how biaised you were. You twicked every single stats.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:19 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:
Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Did you watch Nadal in 2013 ?
He was taking the ball on from the baseline, and not only that, he was changing directions with the huge DTL FH at will.


Oh yeah???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EJ6GxaQFA

You are really blind. Do you want to see how much faster were rallies v Nishi yesterday compared to USO 2013? I reckon at least 10%!

We've had a big debate over the speed of rallies, and I did some research into it and found that it had barely changed since 2007; remember my thread with all the stats ?

Also the quality of that USO 2013 is miles better than yesterday's match, as you can see if you watch the link you provided.

And again, you are ignoring the very fact that in 2013, Nadal was still 4m behind the baseline on returns....an improvement from 5m certainly but nothing like taking the ball inside the baseline lilke he did yesterday.

And Djoko 2013 was a shadow of what he has been the last 2 years.....so the quality of USO 2013 is only making Nadal look good. Nowadays, he cannot afford to only "look" good. He has to be! or he is being made to look Djoko's poor man.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:54 pm

Just heard that on HC, Djoko leads Rafa 17/7.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:56 pm

If you think Nadal is anywhere near the level he was in 2013... we will have to agree to disagree

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:56 pm

Raonic playing now, very boring to watch ! Even my Federer fan friends are bored by his big serving.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:06 pm

Not sure why you don't like Goff's game. It's a very nice style.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:09 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:If you think Nadal is anywhere near the level he was in 2013... we will have to agree to disagree

It's not what you and I think....it's what it is.

It's too early to say whether he can keep playing like he did this week. But his level this week is as good as I have ever seen him. And I do not have a particular interest in saying so. It;s just what you and I can observe. Even the commentators on Sky were saying he is twice as good as last year.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:21 pm

Bill Gates, guest of Larry Ellison! Interesting. 2 of the greatest fortunes in teh world watching Goffin and Raonic. Though I guess they are there for Nadal /Djoko.

I am pretty sure Larry is for Nadal, Bill for Djoko.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:21 pm

Tenez wrote:Not sure why you don't like Goff's game. It's a very nice style.
Goffin is far more fun to watch, but Raonic is servebotting too much for him to do anything really.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:28 pm

Very lethargic from Rao....makes Goff look even better.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:29 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not sure why you don't like Goff's game. It's a very nice style.
Goffin is far more fun to watch, but Raonic is servebotting too much for him to do anything really.

That was addressed to NITB.

You still have to appreciate a player with diff weapons (Rao).

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:30 pm

Good ! Goffin is a much better player, Raonic is a ball bashing servebot to be frank. Allez Daveed

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:33 pm

Tenez wrote:
You still have to appreciate a player with diff weapons (Rao).
I don't find any match where over 50% of the points are unreturnables or aces that interesting, but in terms of skill, I appreciate Federer, the fact he can serve as well as he does from his height is incredible. For Raonic it's much easier !

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:38 pm

Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not sure why you don't like Goff's game. It's a very nice style.
Goffin is far more fun to watch, but Raonic is servebotting too much for him to do anything really.

That was addressed to NITB.

You still have to appreciate a player with diff weapons (Rao).
NITB is on the train going back home from London.
And when did I say I don't like Goffin?

I just think he could be more aggressive, he often plays lukewarm...of course he is a nice player.

Hope to get in time for Nole-Nadal

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:12 pm

After Djokovic declines our next gen is going to be...
Raonic, followed by Kyrgios and Zverev

All have massive first and second serves, can't wait !

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:37 pm

Even though Nole is not at his best atm, this match will be a good indicator of where Nadal is.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:38 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:After Djokovic declines our next gen is going to be...
Raonic, followed by Kyrgios and Zverev

All have massive first and second serves, can't wait !

Yes, though Zverev is only 18. I think he'll be the most successful of the three.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:46 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not sure why you don't like Goff's game. It's a very nice style.
Goffin is far more fun to watch, but Raonic is servebotting too much for him to do anything really.

That was addressed to NITB.

You still have to appreciate a player with diff weapons (Rao).
NITB is on the train going back home from London.
And when did I say I don't like Goffin?

I just think he could be more aggressive, he often plays lukewarm...of course he is a nice player.

Hope to get in time for Nole-Nadal
I missed the first set entirely. Watching now.....

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:47 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:After Djokovic declines our next gen is going to be...
Raonic, followed by Kyrgios and Zverev

All have massive first and second serves, can't wait !

Yes, though Zverev is only 18. I think he'll be the most successful of the three.

Agreed.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by gallery play on Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:51 pm

Rafa played well that set, but when it really counts he's just too nervous.
Djoko quite the opposite, he didn't play well but when it really counts, he's calm

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