Re: ATP Masters 1000: Cinncinati

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:13 pm

It's still going top be very difficult for fed today. I feel Murray can do more on this HC than on grass.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:17 pm

It's ridiculous that the only freshness is brought to tennis by a 34 y/o.
At the current state, tennis won't survive the retirement of Federer

by Daniel Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:18 pm

If he wins this set, Murray will implode as usual.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:20 pm

Tenez wrote:It's still going top be very difficult for fed today. I feel Murray can do more on this HC than on grass.

I think Fed will be ok. Andy can play freely now, he was behind from the start and no one expects him to win. But i can't see him take a set of Federer. That said, concerning the final, 2 tough sets will probably too much to recover from

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:20 pm

Federer won the last 8 sets v Murray...or 10 of the last 11....and the one set he lost was a TB to 6!

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:21 pm

gallery play wrote:
That said, concerning the final, 2 tough sets will probably too much to recover from

Agree.

by Daniel Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:25 pm

Murray already shouting about. Has there ever been a more mentally fragile player?

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:27 pm

FedererKing wrote:Murray already shouting about. Has there ever been a more mentally fragile player?

Murray is actually very strong mentally. He moans at every single match...yet wins 90% of them.

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:28 pm

Fed's serving motion is actually very nice.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:29 pm

Tenez wrote:Fed's serving motion is actually very nice.

yeah, now i look at it have to say: you're right Winking

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:29 pm

What a BH!!!! Under so much pressure.

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:30 pm

And what a gutsy FH to finish the set!

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:30 pm

And fh! Wahoooo!

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:31 pm

wow, nice set point

This was cruising, Murray did well to get 4 games

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:31 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:Fed's serving motion is actually very nice.
yeah, now i look at it have to say: you're right

You saw the slo-mo? was very nice.

by Daniel Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:31 pm

Tenez wrote:
FedererKing wrote:Murray already shouting about. Has there ever been a more mentally fragile player?
Murray is actually very strong mentally. He moans at every single match...yet wins 90% of them.

Disagree. In big matches v big players, he loses way too many because he falls apart. It's been mentioned by a few commentators how he loses his head from minor things and let#s the opponent back in. He isn't just moaning, he's having meltdowns. It sends the wrong message to opponent and only puts his own game off.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:32 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:Fed's serving motion is actually very nice.
yeah, now i look at it have to say: you're right

You saw the slo-mo? was very nice.

PeRFection

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:33 pm

Tenez wrote:Federer won the last 8 sets v Murray...or 10 of the last 11....and the one set he lost was a TB to 6!

Make that 9....or 11 of the last 12!

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:36 pm

FedererKing wrote:
Tenez wrote:
FedererKing wrote:Murray already shouting about. Has there ever been a more mentally fragile player?
Murray is actually very strong mentally. He moans at every single match...yet wins 90% of them.

Disagree. In big matches v big players, he loses way too many because he falls apart. It's been mentioned by a few commentators how he loses his head from minor things and let#s the opponent back in. He isn't just moaning, he's having meltdowns. It sends the wrong message to opponent and only puts his own game off.

He falls apart physically (and then moans about it). He can make it very tough for Nadal and Djoko but he's not near those guys' stamina

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:38 pm

To me it seems that Murray is more of a challenge to Federer than Djoko...problem is that Fed only plays Djoko at the end of the week...often after playing Murray, therefore tired.

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:39 pm

DOn't agree.

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:40 pm

Murray serves much better today.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:42 pm

Tenez wrote:To me it seems that Murray is more of a challenge to Federer than Djoko...problem is that Fed only plays Djoko at the end of the week...often after playing Murray, therefore tired.

Really? To me Fed is quite comfortable against Murray, he knows it usually gets more physical against Djoko.

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:42 pm

luvsports! wrote:DOn't agree.

The reason I am saying this is because Murray's CC BH hurts Fed more than Djokos...and that's where 80% of the shots are played against Fed.

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:43 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:To me it seems that Murray is more of a challenge to Federer than Djoko...problem is that Fed only plays Djoko at the end of the week...often after playing Murray, therefore tired.
Really? To me Fed is quite comfortable against Murray, he knows it usually gets more physical against Djoko.

That's true. But that's also my point. Fed has only played Djoko in Finals recently.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:45 pm

And he also gets more free points and shots to go at against Andy

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:48 pm

Lol feds returning near the service line on 2nd serves!

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:52 pm

gallery play wrote:And he also gets more free points

yes

and shots to go at against Andy

not sure actually. I think Djoko's shots are generally softer.....but I Djoko covers the court much better.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:55 pm

i'd say: break now

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:58 pm

DJoko's depth troubled feds a lot off the return and he has a better length than Murray on groundies.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:01 pm

bp, come on!

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:14 pm

Yes! There it was again. The fake dropshot FH slice winner

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:15 pm

Feds is just one step ahead and it's brilliant!

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:20 pm

Feds gotta win in 2!

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:28 pm

luvsports! wrote:Feds gotta win in 2!

If he doesn't, the title is Djoko's. Not matter what

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:30 pm

GENIUS!

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:30 pm

what a way to get to MP Laugh

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:31 pm

What a great TB from Fed again. But he looks so tired.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:31 pm

Murray had absolutely no right to get that set, he was outplayed throughout

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:32 pm

I don't fancy his chance tomorrow...and I am honest. But again I woudl have fancied him to win today v Djoko.

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:32 pm

Fed is the real number 2. I am not sure why Murray is still second. I know its down to tomorrow's match but still.

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:33 pm

gallery play wrote:Murray had absolutely no right to get that set, he was outplayed throughout

Murray made too many UEs...quite unlike him but I can imagine he was tired.

by gallery play Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:33 pm

Tenez wrote:What a great TB from Fed again. But he looks so tired.

Yes but Djoko has stomach, elbow and shoulder problems...naah, who am i kidding here.

Fed has a chance though, a good one

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:41 pm

Will see.

I remember when Murray said Nadal is the greatest and the best player in the world...a few years back.....Now Murray woudl cream Nadal ...but as yet to find a way to beat federer!

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:02 pm

Tenez was it you that said that Fed commented that he masters are harder for him as there is no recovery time with back-back-back matches?

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:03 pm

luvsports! wrote:Tenez was it you that said that Fed commented that he masters are harder for him as there is no recovery time with back-back-back matches?

Yes Fed said that in 2008 or 09!!!!

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:04 pm

But I believe now Slams are harder. 3 sets at that level is killing him.

by luvsports! Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:08 pm

You got a link?

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:18 pm

oh no. It was a post match interview around that time after or during a TMS1000...

by Tenez Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:30 pm

A good place to start....

http://www.asapsports.com/showcat.php?id=7&event=yes

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