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Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:47 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I don't remember any line-calls
Exactly.
?

What, did Nole influence umpires or lie about the call?
I didn't see the whole match, and definitely don't have selective memory as you keep implying.

Of all top players, I think Nole has had the least amount of luck.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:48 pm

Gulbis can actually take out Fed today.. Playing with utter high intensity..

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:49 pm

Gulbis can sure whack the ball.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:50 pm

Some very poor shot selection from Fed in that game he was broken.
Playing better now, result will come.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:53 pm

Fed... (gulp) Sad

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:54 pm

Fed will be gone in a hurry unless he does something.  Agree with nitb here, he should try to be more aggressive.  Gulbis does not look like he will implode on his own today.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:54 pm

3rd set to Gulbis... Playing too good. Fed is playing poor.. wrong choice of shots, and at times hurrying into shots..

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:56 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I don't remember any line-calls
Exactly.
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What, did Nole influence umpires or lie about the call?
I didn't see the whole match, and definitely don't have selective memory as you keep implying.

Of all top players, I think Nole has had the least amount of luck.

But that way even Murray didn't force the umpires to call off play. It was 7-7 in the 5th, and I think rightly balanced and best time to call off play for the day. I wouldn't want to see another in-the dark finish like Wimbledon 2008 finals.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:57 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I don't remember any line-calls
Exactly.
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What, did Nole influence umpires or lie about the call?
Neither did Murray last night, yet you had a whine.

noleisthebest wrote:and definitely don't have selective memory as you keep implying.

Of all top players, I think Nole has had the least amount of luck.
Will have to agree to disagree on both counts.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:58 pm

Fed is playing wit very little comfidence right now. Gulbis is outpowering him from the base-line, and Fed is neither coming nor going, which is a dangerous place to be for someone of his mindset.

It's a tough choice for him as a lot of his attacking FHs are missing.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:59 pm

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Isner 0-2 sets and a break down. Berdych is playing excellent. Fed could have a very tough opponent in QF.

I think Berdych is meant to look good by Isner being really tired from his  set match v Simon. I'd like to see him play v a better player.

Maybe Berdych's service games were made to look good by Inser's poor returning and lack of movement. But Isner's serves are the best in the game, and Berdych handled those so well. See the numbers on Aces Isner got. And against Inser and not facing a TB set is a testimony of good return game.

But Isner was carrying some Injury too.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:06 pm

Fed needs a decent racquet smash asap!

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:21 pm

Earnie starts talking to himself and the invisible enemy in the crowd...he is a case study of how fragile attacking momentum is and now hard it is to maintain it.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:32 pm

noleisthebest wrote:how fragile attacking momentum is and now hard it is to maintain it.
Ernie trying to rebuild the momentum with a well placed MTO.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:34 pm

Fed now failed to serve out both 2nd and 4th sets.  Luckily, he will have another stab at this one.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:40 pm

This is very unconvincing performance from Roger.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:41 pm

I'm glad Fed was able to serve the set out.
Funny, I had this lump in the throat like he was serving to stay in the match....

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:48 pm

I have not seen a single BDTL from Fed today...

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:49 pm

Not looking good.  Fed held only once in the last three attempts, and even that one went to deuce.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:53 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I have not seen a single BDTL from Fed today...
Good point. No DTL, and no pace on the cross court BH either.
Gulbis is allowed to play better that he shoudl be.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:04 pm

Federer is feeding Gulkbis on his BH like a coach training his student. Meaning with nice balls to hit.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:08 pm

So Gulbis now has got the measure of Fed's rather soft balls. No different than FO 2010 v Soderling.

Fed shoudl have won that one in 4 if not 3 and that is why he is not happy.

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:15 pm

absolutely rubbish from federer today
he was never going to win the match with his backhand alone
way too casual today..no sense of urgency 
no desire to want to dominate the game with his forehand

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:15 pm

Congrats to Gulbis.  It was a deserved win.

For Roger, it means that out of the last four slams, he only reached QF once.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:17 pm

...had he only served the set out at 5:3 in the second.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:21 pm

Fed looking much worse here than he had in the early 2014 season - from AO all the way to MC he looked pretty good.  Let's see how the Wimbledon through the USO stretch works out.  Hopefully better than this.  And here I was, starting to hope in secret he might sneak to #1 again somehow.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:33 pm

Mirka's giving birth in the middle of clay season definitely messed up Fed's flow.
The tour is a fast moving train these days and if you get off even at one stop it's hard to catch it again...maybe...

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:33 pm

Tenez wrote:Federer is feeding Gulkbis on his BH like a coach training his student. Meaning with nice balls to hit.

Yes, very strange...

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:35 pm

Really sad Fed's out. It's just not he same without him.

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:36 pm

summerblues wrote:Congrats to Gulbis.  It was a deserved win.

For Roger, it means that out of the last four slams, he only reached QF once.

didnt he reach the semis at the ao this year and loose to nadal?

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:40 pm

Veejay wrote:
summerblues wrote:Congrats to Gulbis.  It was a deserved win.

For Roger, it means that out of the last four slams, he only reached QF once.

didnt he reach the semis at the ao this year and loose to nadal?
Yes, that is the only time he reached QF.  The other three slams he went out earlier than that.  Perhaps I should have said "QF or better" to make it clear what I meant.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:43 pm

There are 5 players left in the draw who have not yet dropped a set:

- All four players in Rafa's section (Rafa, Lajovic (!!!), Anderson and Ferrer)
- Tsonga

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:44 pm

...and by the looks of things, Tsonga may well be dropping a set soon enough. Winking

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by Autumnleaf on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:46 pm

I was outside, haven't seen the first set and part of the second and come back to see ... this!  Wah Had a bad feeling about this when Fed failed to serve out the second set. That FH error.  Yikes Managed to take it to a fifth, but I rated his chances low from the start in a fifth set. And then - broken right at the start - ominous beginning.

I really hope, that loss is not a sign of things to come. So far this season is not much better than 2013.

Congrats to Gulbis, deserved win, he was more consistent (!), not leaking as many UF errors as Federer. Some very nice points from both, even some magic, great touch, but not enough. Gulbis very intense today. 

Well, tennis could only lose today with either one of these two going out, while Nadal is still in the draw.  Grr But Fed is just that extra bit special. Love how he looks more human now than during his younger days.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:46 pm

Told ya..naah that's mean. Although i expected this to happen, it still hurts.
But i see the positives: Roger can extra prepare for his lost (reasonable) shot for a GS succes. And i rather see him lose to Gulbis than to Berdych.

Imo Roger played like you may expect from him (these days), but only the first two sets. In the third he got outplayed and from that point it was game over. I doubt he'll ever win a fifth set again anyway.
However, this match was not about Federer losing, but about Gulbis winning. He's in the best form of his life. I hope he can keep it up.

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Post by Autumnleaf on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:48 pm

summerblues wrote:There are 5 players left in the draw who have not yet dropped a set:

- All four players in Rafa's section (Rafa, Lajovic (!!!), Anderson and Ferrer)
- Tsonga

Not surprising. That section was stacked!  Laugh

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Post by Autumnleaf on Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:55 pm

gallery play wrote:Told ya..naah that's mean. Although i expected this to happen, it still hurts.
But i see the positives: Roger can extra prepare for his lost (reasonable) shot for a GS succes. And i rather see him lose to Gulbis than to Berdych.

Imo Roger played like you may expect from him (these days), but only the first two sets. In the third he got outplayed and from that point it was game over. I doubt he'll ever win a fifth set again anyway.
However, this match was not about Federer losing, but about Gulbis winning. He's in the best form of his life. I hope he can keep it up.
Well, I think you were not the only one to expect it to happen. Sad Fed losing these days to players like Gulbis can hardly be called an upset anymore.   Sad You are right though, that it's better to lose to Gulbis than to Berdych. Gulbis will beat Berdych now hopefully.  Thumbs Up 

I also doubted he'd win a fifth set, was surprised he grabbed a fourth tbh. I think he might win a fifth set, but not on clay. What's wrong with him? Not keeping up with modern science? Look at Ferrer! He's 32 years too and running like a 22 year old!   Grr 

Imho, it's about both - and why not? Gulbis won and Fed lost. I hope for Gulbis he makes SF now and for Fed, he doesn't continue the losing ways.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:01 pm

I have now seen both Nadal and Nole this weekend.  If they both play like this next Sunday, Nole will be winning I think.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:03 pm

Autumnleaf wrote:
gallery play wrote:Told ya..naah that's mean. Although i expected this to happen, it still hurts.
But i see the positives: Roger can extra prepare for his lost (reasonable) shot for a GS succes. And i rather see him lose to Gulbis than to Berdych.

Imo Roger played like you may expect from him (these days), but only the first two sets. In the third he got outplayed and from that point it was game over. I doubt he'll ever win a fifth set again anyway.
However, this match was not about Federer losing, but about Gulbis winning. He's in the best form of his life. I hope he can keep it up.
Well, I think you were not the only one to expect it to happen. Sad Fed losing these days to players like Gulbis can hardly be called an upset anymore.   Sad You are right though, that it's better to lose to Gulbis than to Berdych. Gulbis will beat Berdych now hopefully.  Thumbs Up 

I also doubted he'd win a fifth set, was surprised he grabbed a fourth tbh. I think he might win a fifth set, but not on clay. What's wrong with him? Not keeping up with modern science? Look at Ferrer! He's 32 years too and running like a 22 year old!   Grr 

Imho, it's about both - and why not? Gulbis won and Fed lost. I hope for Gulbis he makes SF now and for Fed, he doesn't continue the losing ways.
Sure but during his peak years you could talk for hours about why he lost, but that's not the case now. Apart from that second set SP's there are not many clues of how he could have won this. It simply is a fair and square win for Gulbis. And Gulbis isn't even the typical nightmare opponant for Fed, but he sure had more firepower today.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:07 pm

summerblues wrote:I have now seen both Nadal and Nole this weekend.  If they both play like this next Sunday, Nole will be winning I think.
You have a point, Djoko looks very good at the moment. And where Djoko looks calm, Nadal looks more in a hurry. that definitly has something to do with what Nadal expects for next sunday.

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Post by Autumnleaf on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:09 pm

summerblues wrote:I have now seen both Nadal and Nole this weekend.  If they both play like this next Sunday, Nole will be winning I think.
If Nadal still has his WTA serve then that he showed in his last two matches, it will be even easier for Djoko!  
If Nadal still has his WTA serve then that he showed in his last two matches, it will be even easier for Djoko!   Of course it's a back injury.  Doh

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:20 pm

summerblues wrote:...had he only served the set out at 5:3 in the second.
That;s why I m not sure Gulbis deserves it as much as you say he does. Another slip up from Federer! 2 SPs wasted....including on a rather easy smash!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:21 pm

Is it me or the conds look slower and slower?

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:23 pm

I hope Nole is doing well, haven't seen any of the match. Did all the points calcs just to chase the blues away, but it didn't work....

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:29 pm

gallery play wrote:Told ya..naah that's mean. Although i expected this to happen, it still hurts.
But i see the positives: Roger can extra prepare for his lost (reasonable) shot for a GS succes. And i rather see him lose to Gulbis than to Berdych.
I certainly did not expect him to lose that 2nd set with 2 SPs in hand! He really lost the momentum there. Very bizarre...

I doubt he'll ever win a fifth set again anyway.
Early days....but on clay...I'd agree. On grass....it won't be a problem I think.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:29 pm

Tenez wrote:
summerblues wrote:...had he only served the set out at 5:3 in the second.
That;s why I m not sure Gulbis deserves it as much as you say he does. Another slip up from Federer! 2 SPs wasted....including on a rather easy smash!
But Fed was lucky to win the first TB. Gulbis had an easy FH to put the score to 6-3

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:31 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:Told ya..naah that's mean. Although i expected this to happen, it still hurts.
But i see the positives: Roger can extra prepare for his lost (reasonable) shot for a GS succes. And i rather see him lose to Gulbis than to Berdych.
I certainly did not expect him to lose that 2nd set with 2 SPs in hand! He really lost the momentum there. Very bizarre...

So in a way, your prediction was better?  Winking

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by Autumnleaf on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:33 pm

gallery play wrote:
Autumnleaf wrote:
gallery play wrote:However, this match was not about Federer losing, but about Gulbis winning. He's in the best form of his life. I hope he can keep it up.

Imho, it's about both - and why not? Gulbis won and Fed lost. I hope for Gulbis he makes SF now and for Fed, he doesn't continue the losing ways.
Sure but during his peak years you could talk for hours about why he lost, but that's not the case now. Apart from that second set SP's there are not many clues of how he could have won this. It simply is a fair and square win for Gulbis. And Gulbis isn't even the typical nightmare opponant for Fed, but he sure had more firepower today.
GP, you say this as if there was no way that Fed could have possibly won that match. There are the SPs and he should have won one of them too. I honestly don't see anything wrong with discussing such things because imho it doesn't take away anything from the winner. He won because he played better is the same as saying he won because the other guy played worse. And if the win was so fair and square, why did Gulbis need 5 sets in the first place?

Saying there is nothing to discuss, maybe you are of the opinion that this is the best that Fed is capable of? He did commit 59 (!) UFE, that's atrocious, really. If you think that's the best he can do, he maybe should retire asap?

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:39 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:
summerblues wrote:...had he only served the set out at 5:3 in the second.
That;s why I m not sure Gulbis deserves it as much as you say he does. Another slip up from Federer! 2 SPs wasted....including on a rather easy smash!
But Fed was lucky to win the first TB. Gulbis had an easy FH to put the score to 6-3
Agree with GP here.  Both on the specifics as well as the general sentiment.  It is a shame Fed could not serve out the second set but even as he was serving for it I was thinking that a two sets to love lead at that point would be too good to be true given the flow of play until then.  I think the split of the first two sets was - all-in-all - a pretty fair outcome.

I am hopeful Fed can turn things around still - he did look much better than this for most of 2014.  After he switched to the bigger frame we all talked about how it gave him more power and how he did not look so underpowered anymore.  He did look underpowered again today, but I am hopeful come Wimbledon and the hard courts, he may look again more like Fed of the early spring.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 8 Sun 31/05/2014

Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:45 pm

Have to go now, you guys please make sure Nole wins nice and easy, and is in good shape for next Sunday.

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