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Post by barrystar on Wed May 09, 2018 10:07 am

The papers today are full of gloomy articles about a set-back and Andy not being at Wimbledon &c &c.  Is there any substance to this stuff, is somebody somewhere in the know providing accurate information, or is it a press pile-on based on speculation which none of them want to miss out on?

Personally, and blissfully free of any specialist medical, sports-science, or other relevant knowledge, I have always been skeptical that he will be able to return to the form that won him slams and took him to #1.  To me it sounds like the sort of injury that you either try to manage as best you can by minor relatively risk-free surgery which may not do the trick; or if you are to address it you need really risky major surgery which is unlikely to pass a cost-benefit analysis for a player who is 30+ and has already amassed an 'all-time-great' career and stash of money.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed May 09, 2018 10:14 am

From what I know, Murray has had at least two surgeries last winter, one on the leg the other hernia (hip?).
I'll ask my coach at the club if he knows anything more about this latest media claim you are mentioning.

Knowing how crucial movement was to his game and how much he used to run, he must be finding it difficult to reach those levels of fitness.

Trying to get that number one ranking from Djokovic, he burnt his candle at both ends.

We can see with the case of Djokovic now that he, who didn't have any issues with his legs is missing a step due to lack of match fitness, I imagine it would be twice as hard for Murray.

I am not following news about him, but did see a few pieces a few months ago  saying how he is practising etc.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed May 09, 2018 10:50 am

I just read the BBC article about Murray's delayed return, it ain't all gloom and doom as you made it to be. Big Grin

It makes sense he doesn't want to start on grass as that is the quickest and least forgiving surfaces, which is why I believe Nole chose to graft his form back on clay.

Murray probably wasn't ready for clay so now leaving it for post grass season which is ok.

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Post by bogbrush on Wed May 09, 2018 11:22 am

I think he's done. I'm not saying he'll never be seen on a court again but I doubt he'll ever see the top 10 again let alone the highest levels.

It wasn't just the chase for #1 but his game generally is very wear & tear. Unlike Nadal, whose game is more about imposing attrition on the other guy, his game was about staying in and prolonging, spending his own energy just as much as the other guy. It has a limit.

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Post by Tenez on Wed May 09, 2018 11:43 am

bogbrush wrote:I think he's done. I'm not saying he'll never be seen on a court again but I doubt he'll ever see the top 10 again let alone the highest levels.

It wasn't just the chase for #1 but his game generally is very wear & tear. Unlike Nadal, whose game is more about imposing attrition on the other guy, his game was about staying in and prolonging, spending his own energy just as much as the other guy. It has a limit.

Agree....His downfall is that he was playing a la Ferrer being 3 inches taller and 15kg heavier.

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Post by Tenez on Wed May 09, 2018 12:14 pm

Tenez wrote:
bogbrush wrote:I think he's done. I'm not saying he'll never be seen on a court again but I doubt he'll ever see the top 10 again let alone the highest levels.

It wasn't just the chase for #1 but his game generally is very wear & tear. Unlike Nadal, whose game is more about imposing attrition on the other guy, his game was about staying in and prolonging, spending his own energy just as much as the other guy. It has a limit.

Agree....His downfall is that he was playing a la Ferrer being 6* inches taller and 15kg heavier.
In fact Ferrer was much more aggressive!

6 inches taller actually!...not 3 as first written.


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Post by bogbrush on Wed May 09, 2018 1:31 pm

Yeah, Murray would play a passive shot from a short ball. It was ridiculous.

To be fair to Nadal he almost always has aggressive intent in his shot, even if that means putting up up 7 feet high to a SHBH.

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Post by summerblues on Thu May 10, 2018 3:43 am

I kind of expect Murray is for all practical purposes done.  Even if and when his health allows him to play, he will find it similarly difficult to motivate himself as Nole is finding it now.  Maybe he would handle it better than Nole, but it would not be easy.  He has had 10+ great years, won 3 slams, reached #1.  He will be 31+, it will be hard to meaningfully improve his resume, so where will the motivation come from?

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Post by Jahu on Thu May 10, 2018 8:56 am

Agree, don't see the logic of Andy coming back strongly, guess Djoko is playing just for sponsors, La Coste done a great fuck up with him, now he has to play.

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Post by legendkillar on Fri May 18, 2018 10:18 am

I think he was always over-ambitious with his recovery time. I think the decision not to have surgery initially might be what has increased his time on the sidelines. The plus side for the Murray is that the competition is not plentiful in the sense that he is in total lockout from ever reaching the Top 10 again. 

I won't say it's the end just yet. Looking at Wawrinka and Djokovic has shown that it's going to take time not just find fitness, but shake off any rust. Djokovic is having a good week and Stan it's just time I think. There's a lot for him to shake off such as rust and even lack of confidence in the knee. He'll find his form again.

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Post by barrystar on Fri May 18, 2018 10:45 am

I think the real problem is regaining confidence in the injured 'part'; to perform at your best it can't even be in the corner of your mind that something might let you down.  I'd guess that given the working over these guys give to their bodies, it must take ages for confidence of that sort, once lost, to be regained.  It's not just on Court either, I'd imagine a big part of it is not training to the max on the affected area for a while.

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Post by legendkillar on Fri May 18, 2018 2:28 pm

Absolutely. When you have surgery it is already in your mind that it is severe enough that the body itself can't heal that area. Slips, falls, twinges. All create an element of self doubt. For some they never mentally recover and never regain the confidence despite the body area being healed. 

Murray must be looking at both his game and hip and wondering what he'll have to do to prevent putting too much strain on it and prolonging any longevity.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 2:53 pm

@barry&LK,

not sure about lack of confidence fearing the body part may not deliver.

To me, the logical thing is to feel elated once you can go back to competing.
Confidence is only needed in shots and that fluency that the time/recovery gap had produced, catching up with the game, tour.

It's not that pros have hip replacements etc...mainly ligaments that need heeling.

Back problems are a little different, but even that can get helped a lot by strengthening the core unless there is the irreparable wear on the discs.

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