ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Tenez wrote:
So greatest footwork, greatest stamina, greatest FH but yet loses 63 to old Ferrer!   

Right, let me help you out here Tenez, by reposting something I posted yesterday:

Julia Santamaria wrote:I mean one big flaw from the start is that someone may be the greatest, but his level will still fluctuate when fit. Another player may be slightly worse than him (not as great), but his level may fluctuate too- and there will be occasions and matches where the level of the 'greatest' player fluctuates down while the worse player plays better than normal... culminating in an upset. So it's not necessary the greater player has to be unfit or injured to lose the match.

The above quote ^ was talking about you blaming losses on injury, but applies here too.

And we've been through the forehand winner thing, in USO 2013 he hit more forehand winners than any other player.

We all know that there can only be one outcome in nadal's favor when he's playing his spanish peers, unless today he doesn't feel up to the task for tomorrow with Djoko across the net.

So is Nadal trying to avoid Djoko tomorrow? Trying to preserve his H2H?

Great shot Daveeed !

This is one of the most pathetic tanks I've ever seen....

It's a bloody relief that's what it is.

I thought that 2bh. Tanking it to a mate.

luvsports! wrote:I thought that 2bh. Tanking it to a mate.

This one has to be right up there with Fiasco Madrid 2012.

That was a classic.

That was crazy that one. I didn't understand it. So close to the win. I thought he was perhaps trying to make a greater statement earlier on by showing his distaste for the blue clay.

luvsports! wrote:That was crazy that one. I didn't understand it. So close to the win. I thought he was perhaps trying to make a greater statement earlier on by showing his distaste for the blue clay.

Didn't he go 5-1 up and then make 30 UEs in a row or something

I have to admit I laughed after that one

I think it was firstly because he had such a crowded clay schedule, also he did not like blue clay at all.

I can’t believe no-slam Ferru schooling the #1 thus far. For crying out loud nadal at least play like you’re the #1in charge.

SR wrote:I can’t believe no-slam Ferru schooling the #1 thus far. For crying out loud nadal at least play like you’re the #1in charge.

We've been through this before SR.

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Imagine if Ferrer started tanking back?

Uncle Toni and Ferret both look infuriated, what the hell is Rafito upto

Phew, back on track.

noleisthebest wrote:Imagine if Ferrer started tanking back?  

Please tank back. Can't let the supposed "best ever" off the hook like this without facing Djoko in a final tomorrow.

The crowd supporting Ferrer....

Once again Nadal's opponent hitting more FH winners than Nadal himself...by a good healthy margin.

Anyway I am not sure Nadal was desperate to win that one.

Here is my advice to nadal about his hair loss:

http://www.hairloss-research.org/steroids.html

Wow!
What a thriller...nailbiting stuff!
Ferru nearly spoilt it all by choking his serve away at 5 all

Tenez wrote:

Once again Nadal's opponent hitting more FH winners than Nadal himself...by a good healthy margin.

Once again?
You do realise this is extremely rare? It's only when he plays utter crap like he did today, or his opponent is all guns blazing. In USO 2013 he hit more FH winners than his opponent during every round.

Julia Santamaria wrote:

Tenez wrote:

Once again Nadal's opponent hitting more FH winners than Nadal himself...by a good healthy margin.

Once again?
You do realise this is extremely rare? It's only when he plays utter crap like he did today, or his opponent is all guns blazing. In USO 2013 he hit more FH winners than his opponent during every round.

No you don;t realise it is not rare at all....I always show you and you don;t want to admit it.

Nadal's FH winners ratio only start to add up in a 3rd set when his opponent has no legs left.

Tenez wrote:

Nadal's FH winners ratio only start to add up in a 3rd set when his opponent has no legs left.

He hit more forehand winners in the first set against Djokovic in the USO final, the stat even came up on screen.

nadal fans can keep that head to head lead over djoko for another week or so.

luvsports! wrote:nadal fans can keep that head to head lead over djoko for another week or so.

They may not play next week.

Julia Santamaria wrote:

SR wrote:I can’t believe no-slam Ferru schooling the #1 thus far. For crying out loud nadal at least play like you’re the #1in charge.

We've been through this before SR.

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Get real and get with the program here. I don’t need anything to tell me your guy either pulled one of his biggest tank job to avoid playing tomorrow’s final he's afraid he can’t win OR he is the Best Ever Indoor Midget OR BOTH! 


Sorry, Julia, he still has a lot to prove in wtf.  



What does this loss mean for him re the year end #1, anyone?

Julia Santamaria wrote:

Tenez wrote:

Nadal's FH winners ratio only start to add up in a 3rd set when his opponent has no legs left.

He hit more forehand winners in the first set against Djokovic in the USO final, the stat even came up on screen.

JS,
You don't know a FH winner when you see one. Your tennis vocabulary is based on what you hear from TV commentators.
They are paid to talk tripe.
You'd do well to learn from Tenez as he is better than all those commentators put together.

By being stubborn in your fandom, you are missing out on much greater tennis pleasures.

Djokovic Nadal is always a physical match, not the best prep for a World Tour Finals event.

It was the long physical encounter he feared more than Djokovic winning (which he may/ may not have done)

noleisthebest wrote:

Julia Santamaria wrote:

Tenez wrote:

Nadal's FH winners ratio only start to add up in a 3rd set when his opponent has no legs left.

He hit more forehand winners in the first set against Djokovic in the USO final, the stat even came up on screen.

JS,
You don't know a FH winner when you see one. Your tennis vocabulary is based on what you hear from TV commentators.

I base my forehand winners on when someone hits a forehand which is a winner.
You base your forehand winners on when someone you like hits a forehand which is a winner.

That's the only difference really.

Congratulations to Feru, who finally done it and in a great style. I watched the match from the end of the first set and must say that match was one of the best David's matches ever. He knew that he can't wait at the back court and must go for it. Because Nadal was digged in at the back of the court as usual, the match was in hands of David and he finally done it  
  
David can play really well at indoors and showed it at the right moment. That is clear that Nole was in  Nadal's head. Nobody can avoid of that in semi.
 
Now it looks that the year-end no.1 is open again, which is quite good news and Nole does know it as well

Yes, it would be good if he could get number one back, he'd need to win all his matches till the end of the year incl DC, and that would make up for the RG, Wimbledon and USO losses (alhough I think Wimbledon was a forced tank).
I think if Nadal makes it to WTF final, or even the semi-final, then number one remains his.
All has been set up for Nadal to give him WTF on a plate bar laying a clay court in O2 (same as USO 2010) , you feel as if you have to work twice as hard as him to get the same results, I have never seen anything like this in the entire history of sport....and I did see quite a bit.
For some reason seeing that fixed draw completely ruined the rest of he season for me.
I almost don't care who is going to win WTF, be number one.
With ATP ignoring doping, blatant draw rigging, Larry Ellison laying blue clay in IW, RG refusing to water the courts at 6:6 in the 5th set, does it matter any more?

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, it would be good if he could get number one back, he'd need teo win all his matches till the end of the year incl DC, and that would make up for the RG, Wimbledon and USO losses (alhough I think Wimbledon was a forced tank).
I think if Nadal makes it to WTF final, or even the semi-final, then number one remains his.
All has been set up for Nadal to give him WTF on a plate bar laying a clay court in O2 (same as USO 2010) , you feel as if you have to work twice as hard as him to get the same results, I have never seen anything like this in the entire history of sport....and I did see quite a bit.

Absolutely agree and that is also reason why I root for Nole  as I have never done for anybody else. Tennis has always been one of the toughest sport mentally wise, regardless to incredibly higher demand to stamina currently.

Therefore every sensible tennis fan, who knows how the draw are being rigged, how the organizers can make up the right conditions for their favorite player, how umpires are able/unable to stick to the rules, must take  hat off  to Nole.

summerblues wrote:

Julia Santamaria wrote:If this is the case, for a first time in a long time I believe everyone posting here is united under one player in a match.

paulcz might have something to say about that.

SB, I think that every  sport fan roots for somebody playing on the court in most cases. Of course sometimes there is no such a difference in favor of one player when playing new/unknown players. But when "great" ones play, some preference for true fans must be there. If not, then there is no fandom aspect, but watching an activity.

paulcz wrote:

summerblues wrote:

Julia Santamaria wrote:If this is the case, for a first time in a long time I believe everyone posting here is united under one player in a match.

paulcz might have something to say about that.

SB, I think that every  sport fan roots for somebody playing on the court in most cases. Of course sometimes there is no such a difference in favor of one player when playing new/unknown players. But when "great" ones play, some preference for true fans must be there. If not, then there is no fandom aspect, but watching an activity.

What I meant was that maybe you would root for Nole against Federer.  (JS was saying that everyone on this forum would root for Federer).

ferrer a break up

Nole plays his best tennis when he starts winning points with his forehand.
I've been waiting to see it happen for a while.

IDEMO NOLEEEEE!!!

He has so much flair this Djokovic <3

7-5 7-5

Deja vu.

I'm more convinced than ever Ferru won yesterday courtesy of nadal's tanking. He has all the stamina he needs to hit all the balls tirelessly and run forever  but remains a mental midget at the end. No wonder he never won a slam. Just doesn't have the believe.

SR wrote:Deja vu.

I'm more convinced than ever Ferru won yesterday courtesy of nadal's tanking. He has all the stamina he needs to hit all the balls tirelessly and run forever  but remains a mental midget at the end. No wonder he never won a slam. Just doesn't have the believe.

 Nadal's tank. I'm not so sure. Nadal missed some close ones which on other days could have gone his way. He might not have tried his best, but winning Yesterday would have got him into a much stronger position to retain YE #1 and a chance for 6 Masters in a year something that no one has ever done.

Also Ferrer has beaten Nadal on HC, and indoors too. So it was possible on a one-off day.

luvsports! wrote:7-5 7-5

Yes silly Ferrer, just doesn't have the belief. Djokovic is just too confident he can turn it all anytime. Ferrer served for both sets and lost serve with pathetic play.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:... winning Yesterday would have got him into a much stronger position to retain YE #1 and a chance for 6 Masters in a year something that no one has ever done.

Also Ferrer has beaten Nadal on HC, and indoors too. So it was possible on a one-off day.

If I'm not wrong, even with the loss to Ferrer, only 2 RR wins in London and the YE #1 is his.

A chance, :laugh:that's just the point, nadal knows he doesn't have a chance vs Djoko in the Paris final in-door given the Serb's winning form now. That's why he ran away, not the first time.

Yes, Ferrer had wins over nadal before. But I just cannot believe nadal played like an indestructible Terminator  in all his pre-QF matches not dropping a set but suddenly so useless he couldn't even manage to take one set off of a guy he normally owns.

If Djokovic played poorly like he did in today's final, Nadal would have beaten him for sure. 
Remember Nadal has a 6-2 record in teh last 8 matches vs Djokovic

Nah. He would raise his game and crush him like he did in Beijing.

luvsports! wrote:Nah. He would raise his game and crush him like he did in Beijing.

Yes, massive win that was for Djokovic; nearly as important as the USO final they played a few weeks earlier

Of course it is bigger. Beijing is in china and china is bigger than the US, duh.
Going by form, djoko would win. Simple.

luvsports! wrote:Of course it is bigger. Beijing is in china and china is bigger than the US, duh.

Fair point.