Donald Trump's moral depravity: Incitement to murder of Mike Pence

It's always been a possibility throughout Trump's presidency that one of his absurd statements would lead to cult followers doing something stupid which results in a loss of life.

However, I would say his actions on January 6th were far more sinister than even most commentators realise. Tragically a police officer was killed by the pro-Trump mob, but I want to focus on his incitement towards Mike Pence.

1. Trump claimed in recent weeks that Pence could overturn the electoral college votes. This lie is in his 'normal' range of absurdities.

2. His ally Lin Wood tweeted, on 3rd January, that Pence has committed treason, and should be executed by firing squad.

3. Trump, in his speech on morning of 6th Jan, fermented anger towards Pence, by creating a narrative that the result was all in Pence's hands. Bear in mind, he already knew by this point that Pence was not going to do what he wanted.

He said "If Pence does the right thing, we win... Mike Pence, I hope you're gonna stand up for the good of our Constitution and for the good of our country. And if you're not, I'm going to be very disappointed in you, I will tell you right now. I'm not hearing good stories."

4. At 1pm, the rioters were grappling with police on the steps of the Capitol. At 1:40pm multiple lawmakers report hearing gunshots. At 2:11pm, rioters scale the walls and enter. Pence & other lawmakers are escorted to hide immediately.

5. At 2:24 pm, Trump tweets this: (Twitter deleted this tweet hours later, and timestamp is UK time).


6. This tweet ^ was when rioters were inside the Capitol and the police had completely lost control. In that moment, Trump has NO certainty of the safety of Mike Pence.
This tweet would obviously incite bloodlust in a mob who have already broken in.

7. Associated Press reported that "Trump did not call to check in on his vice president’s safety during the ordeal."
https://apnews.com/article/2f0f2b4a9cb884c04d50522c7a19ffeb

8. There are, predictably, witnesses and video that many rioters were specifically looking for Mike Pence, and chanting how they wanted to execute him:
https://twitter.com/colvinj/status/1347576475491426306

9. The fact that Trump had no guarantee for Pence's safety when he released the tweet is underlined by two subsequent events:
a) Trump mob managed to kill a police officer. If those same people had found Pence, would he still be alive?
b) There was an undetonated bomb found in the building. At the time of Trump tweet, how would he know that an explosive device wouldn't have been detonated if the mob felt they were close enough to Pence?

10. This all adds up to Trump knowingly, recklessly, putting the life of his VP at risk. For all the Trump supporters, or even those who tried to create a false equivalence between him and Democrats, can you imagine Obama ever doing this to Biden?

Donald Trump is morally depraved. Narcissistic to the extent he's a psychopath.

He still killed less people than Obama and joe Biden.....100 000 times less. something to bear in mind.

Not true at all Tenez. 

He didn't withdraw troops as he had promised, he stepped up the drone programme, and loosened rules over American forces attempting to avoid killing civilians. 
He was also very close to starting a war with Iran, which was only averted when Fox News host Tucker Carlson called him at the 11th hour and convinced him to change his mind. 

Don't believe all the pro Trump propaganda you read online!

HIS20RY wrote:Don't believe all the pro Trump propaganda you read online!

Thanks. You are now my mental compass!

Tenez wrote:
Thanks. You are now my mental compass!

I know there are some Trump supporters on this forum, so am curious as to what they think about their stable genius' recent actions.

I just think it’s a pity that Trump supporters committed a heinous attempt to overthrow democracy by protesting, while Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA are able to burn down towns and buildings in a really mostly peaceful way.

It must take so much skill and goodness to be able to turn a town into a blazing heap so peacefully.

Oh, and what Trump did in foreign policy was massively positive. No invasions, calmer relations with N Korea and finally the most dangerous Country in the World got called out. Still, Obama got the Nobel peace prize for, eh, what exactly was that?

I think the actions of a significant minority of the BLM protestors were appalling, and I think the way some of the media failed to recognise they were not peaceful was also galling. Summed up by a CNN reporter talking about 'a mostly peaceful protest' while standing in front of a building on fire. 

However, I don't see how that lessens the liability of Trump at all in this Capitol riot. He made up and repeated debunked conspiracy theories that had no evidence, and nearly actively incited the death of his own VP. @bogbrush, if a left winger did this, you would be apoplectic!

This thread should be titled "Nadal fanatic doesn't understand history, or what's going on, and is a rather silly ideologue. Please read on to discover what Trump Derangement Syndrome is."


There wasn't a single war under Trump.  In fact, the Middle East and North Korea are a lot less energized and more peaceful now than they've ever been.  I'm sure you'll be back, Mr Ideologue, to criticize Biden when his administration reignites the bombing campaigns.  Oh, wait...

Daniel, instead of just insulting me, why not address the points I made in the OP? Do you disagree with any of my analysis? 
Deflecting, by talking about other politicians or me personally, is just a cop-out.

Good to see some of you are still around.

Regarding Trump remember they tried to impeach him even before he was elected by accusing him of having used Putin's help.

Can you conceive that there might have been fraud?

Since you never acknowledged the rigging draws in tennis I doubt you can admit fraud exists also in voting.

As Stalin was saying, it's not those who vote that matters, it's those who count (the votes)!

I'm personally convinced the election was totally rigged, Trump's legal team made some powerful arguments 

Tenez wrote:Good to see some of you are still around.

Regarding Trump remember they tried to impeach him even before he was elected by accusing him of having used Putin's help.

Can you conceive that there might have been fraud?

Since you never acknowledged the rigging draws in tennis I doubt you can admit fraud exists also in voting.

As Stalin was saying, it's not those who vote that matters, it's those who count (the votes)!

This will be the final site that deals in tennis. As the sport splutters into oblivion and the levels of interest finally fades, this site will be the very last to turn the lights out.

I hope so BB. Let's keep it alive.

It's amazing how tennis disappeared from the scene for us. Bizarrely it happened almost at the same time I went from playing 3 times a week (in London) to twice a year where I live now.

The EU have lost the plot!

Nah, it’s just that their mask has slipped in the face of their incompetence being revealed. Now we can all see.

The Irish can see they were used as a tool to pressure the British.
The individual Countries can see the stupidity of trusting unelected failures with their lives.

Trust me, I see these types in the mid-upper levels of big Corporations; useless, make no decisions, just lever their power to bully others.

Best thing we ever did, getting out.

Yep...This is seen in fact everywhere. Just that the more complex the organisation (be it the EU, a corporation, a state, or wathever) the more obvious the evil side of it.

The decision and U-turn over the Ireland border, and the power to let country block vaccine exports to non-EU countries is just the latest in the line of malicious things they've done recently. 

A prominent German newspaper reported that they had been told by sources in the German government that the AZ vaccine only had 8% efficacy in over 65s. It turns out that the 8% figure was actually the percentage in the study who were over 65. Pretty big, and basic error... 

Many Europeans also believe, after government officials in Europe spread false information, that the UK forbid pharmaceutical companies from distributing vaccines to the EU from UK plants. This is completely untrue. The UK just haggled less with these companies, signed the contracts 3 months earlier, which gave them more time to work on the production problems in the UK plants.

Biden already bombing...  not to mention ruining women's sport by allowing men to compete.

Will "History (lol)" having anything to say about it?

Daniel2 wrote:Biden already bombing... 

Trump was a more prolific bomber than Obama, and you supported him, right?

More drone strikes than Obama: 
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

More civilian casualties than Obama from bombs:
https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/

Trump changed the rules so the number of civilians killed by drones no longer had to be published or transparent:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47480207

Daniel2 wrote:Biden already bombing...  not to mention ruining women's sport by allowing men to compete.

Will "History (lol)" having anything to say about it?

Yep!

https://odysee.com/@sssq:c/PJW-BIDEN_s_diversity_strikes_in_Syria:7

lol classic ideologue Trump Derangement Syndrome "But Donald..." in response to the fact Biden is clearly worse already in 1 month alone and is bombing countries.  And he;s only just begun.

Daniel2 wrote:lol classic ideologue Trump Derangement Syndrome "But Donald..." in response to the fact Biden is clearly worse already in 1 month alone and is bombing countries.  And he;s only just begun.

There aren't any stats to yet back up Biden being worse. Biden has a mixed record so far, I didn't support the intervention in Syria, but I did support this (arms sale ban for Saudis' Yemen war):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/04/us-end-support-saudi-led-operations-yemen-humanitarian-crisis

I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy. I'm not a fan of either side. But you were a loyal supporter of a guy who expanded the drone strike programme and was prolific in bombing civilians.

Hard to think of anything that could make me a committed Monarchist more than Ginge & Whinges interview - or at least reading some articles about it. Actually watching any of that crap is beyond me. Give me 7 hours of Djokovic injury-feigning over that any day.

If I was wavering at all, the intervention of the blessed Serena, that kind-hearted person who shows such grace to officials half her size, would have done it.

bogbrush wrote:Hard to think of anything that could make me a committed Monarchist more than Ginge & Whinges interview - or at least reading some articles about it. Actually watching any of that crap is beyond me. Give me 7 hours of Djokovic injury-feigning over that any day.

If I was wavering at all, the intervention of the blessed Serena, that kind-hearted person who shows such grace to officials half her size, would have done it.

Spot on. B grade acting from a B-list actress.

What frustrates me is the media portrayal of this interview. Firstly, they're not reporting the fact Meghan perpetuated known falsehoods. This calls into question the credibility of her other claims which were unverifiable. For example, she indicates that the reason Archie wasn't a prince was because of the colour of his skin. However, it's actually royal protocol that the nephew or niece of a future monarch is not given the title of prince until their grandfather/mother becomes king/queen.

Secondly a lot of claims she made were very vague, and in the rare exceptions they were specific, didn't mention the identity of the alleged perpetrator or give any context. This basically means that it's impossible to scrutinise their claims, as we won't be able to hear the 'other side of the story'. It was a manipulative calculated interview.

Daniel2 wrote:This thread should be titled "Nadal fanatic doesn't understand history, or what's going on, and is a rather silly ideologue. Please read on to discover what Trump Derangement Syndrome is."


There wasn't a single war under Trump.  In fact, the Middle East and North Korea are a lot less energized and more peaceful now than they've ever been.  I'm sure you'll be back, Mr Ideologue, to criticize Biden when his administration reignites the bombing campaigns.  Oh, wait...

On Biden watch, we have Ukraine war that is really a proxy war caused by his administration provoking Russia with NATO -- and we've had a disastrous resolution to Afghanistan - again caused by Dementia Biden.

Not to mention the economy tanking, crime at the Mexican border, and soaring cost of fuel long before the Ukrainian-Russian conflict.  Didn't happen under Trump.


Any words on it?  Any apologies?

Agree with you there. Amazing how gullible people are. We might get a 3rd WW cause Trump was not woke!

And he said mean things on Twitter    to leftist types.  Quick - ban him.

But wait... that Evil, MERCILESS MUSK is planning on unbanning - OUTRAGE!

The Trump Russia collusion accusation was all a hoax..

But this isn't >

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11311835/Saudi-Arabia-confirms-White-House-begged-delay-OPEC-deal.html

What a world. I knew Truss was crap but I fear this "young leader" Klaus Shwab guy Rishi will keep delaying the wall the UK was going to bump into but at the cost of going into it faster at a later date. 

The wall was meant to be hit in 2008 actually and the Western world managed to delay the crash...except that the train is going faster and the shock will be greater the longer one delays. 

Same for Europe...if not worse actually.