Madrid 2019

Tenez wrote:It is bad when compared with Djokovic (3) and Nadal (8} especially if you compare the importance of matches as well.

Which 8 matches are these? I'm struggling to remember.

Tenez wrote:Wow... Thanks LS..... How does he compare with the other 3 I mentioned?

Not sure. I was just scrolling through Facebook and in a tennis group I am in, this popped up.
Would be interesting to see, re the others.

This is what I found:

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      ***FEDERER***             

MP WASTED (21)               

2019 Madrid          QF  Thiem          6–3, 6–7(11), 4–6                (2MP)
2018 Wimbledon      QF  Anderson      6–2, 7–6(5), 5–7, 4–6, 11–13      (1MP)
2018 Indian Wells    F    del Potro      4–6, 7–6(8), 6–7(2)              (3MP)
2017 Stuttgart      R16  Haas          6–2, 6–7(8), 4–6                  (1MP)
2017 Dubai          R16  Donskoy        6–3, 6–7(7), 6–7(5)              (3MP)
2016 Stuttgart      SF  Thiem          6–3, 6–7(7), 4–6                  (2MP)
2015 Madrid          R32  Kyrgios        7–6(2), 6–7(5), 6–7(12)          (2MP)
2014 Rome            R32  Chardy        6–1, 3–6, 6–7(6)                  (1MP)
2013 Dubai          SF  Berdych        6–3, 6–7(8), 4–6                  (3MP)
2011 US Open        SF  Djokovic      7–6(7), 6–4, 3–6, 2–6, 5–7        (2MP)
2010 Paris          SF  Monfils        6–7(7), 7–6(1), 6–7(4)            (5MP)!
2010 US Open        SF  Djokovic      7–5, 1–6, 7–5, 2–6, 5–7          (2MP)
2010 Miami          R16  Berdych        4–6, 7–6(3), 6–7(6)              (1MP)
2010 Indian Wells    R32  Baghdatis      7–5, 5–7, 6–7(4)                  (3MP)
2006 Rome            F    Nadal          7–6(0), 6–7(5), 4–6, 6–2, 6–7(5)  (2MP)
2005 Monte Carlo    QF  Gasquet        7–6(1), 2–6, 6–7(8)              (3MP)
2005 Aus Open        SF  Safin          7–5, 4–6, 7–5, 6–7(6), 7–9        (1MP)
2003 Miami          QF  Costa          6–7(4), 6–4, 6–7(7)              (3MP)
2002 Aus Open        R16  Haas          6–7(3), 6–4, 6–3, 4–6, 6–8        (1MP)
2001 Halle          QF  Rafter        6–4, 6–7(6), 6–7(4)              (1MP)
2000 Vienna          SF  Henman        6–2, 6–7(4), 3–6                  (2MP)

MP SAVED (19)               

2019 Madrid          R16  Monfils        6–0, 4–6, 7–6(3)                  (2MP)
2018 Halle          R16  Paire          6–3, 3–6, 7–6(7)                  (2MP)
2017 Miami          QF  Berdych        6–2, 3–6, 7–6(6)                  (2MP)
2016 Wimbledon      QF  Cilic          6–7(4), 4–6, 6–3, 7–6(9), 6–3    (3MP)
2014 London WTF      SF  Wawrinka      4–6, 7–5, 7–6(6)                  (4MP)
2014 Shanghai        R32  Mayer          7–5, 3–6, 7–6(7)                  (5MP)
2014 US Open        QF  Monfils        4–6, 3–6, 6–4, 7–5, 6–2          (2MP)
2011 Madrid          R32  López          7–6(13), 6–7(1), 7–6(7)          (1MP)
2006 Shanghai TMC    RR  Roddick        4–6, 7–6(8), 6–4                  (3MP)
2006 Halle          QF  Rochus        6–7(2), 7–6(9), 7–6(5)            (4MP)
2005 Dubai          R16  Ferrero        4–6, 6–3, 7–6(6)                  (2MP)
2003 Houston TMC    RR  Agassi        6–7(3), 6–3, 7–6(7)              (2MP)
2003 Paris          R16  Verkerk        6–7(3), 7–6(12), 7–6(6)          (4MP)
2003 Cincinnati      R64  Draper        4–6, 6–3, 7–6(10)                (7MP)!!
2001 Vienna          R32  Massú          4–6, 7–6(8), 6–4                  (3MP)
2001 Miami          R16  Johansson      7–6(3), 5–7, 7–6(7)              (1MP)
2000 Basel          SF  Hewitt        6–4, 5–7, 7–6(6)                  (1MP)
2000 Marseille      QF  Ljubicic      6–2, 3–6, 7–6(5)                  (2MP)
1999 Rotterdam      R32  Raoux          6–7(4), 7–5, 7–6(3)              (2MP)

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                                    ***NADAL***               

MP WASTED (8)

2019 Acapulco        R16  Kyrgios        6–3, 6–7(2), 6–7(6)              (3MP)
2016 Buenos Aires    SF  Thiem          4–6, 6–4, 6–7(4)                  (1MP)
2015 Indian Wells    QF  Raonic        6–4, 6–7(10), 5–7                (3MP)
2010 Doha            F    Davydenko      6–0, 6–7(8), 4–6                  (2MP)
2005 Cincinnati      R64  Berdych        7–6(4), 2–6, 6–7(3)              (3MP)
2004 Stuttgart      QF  Ferrer        3–6, 7–6(3), 5–7                  (3MP)
2004 Indian Wells    R32  Calleri        4–6, 6–3, 6–7(10)                (2MP)
2003 Bastad          QF  Lapentti      6–3, 3–6, 6–7(6)                  (5MP)!!

MP SAVED (13)

2017 Beijing        R32  Pouille        4–6, 7–6(6), 7–5                  (2MP)
2016 Indian Wells    R16  Zverev        6–7(8), 6–0, 7–5                  (1MP)
2015 Paris          R16  Anderson      4–6, 7–6(6), 6–2                  (1MP)
2014 Rio            SF  Andujar        2–6, 6–3, 7–6(10)                (2MP)
2010 Tokyo          SF  Troicki        7–6(4), 4–6, 7–6(7)              (2MP)
2010 Cincinnati      R16  Benneteau      5–7, 7–6(6), 6–2                  (1MP)
2009 Paris          R32  Almagro        3–6, 7–6(2), 7–5                  (5MP)
2009 Madrid          SF  Djokovic      3–6, 7–6(5), 7–6(9)              (3MP)
2009 Indian Wells    R16  Nalbandian    3–6, 7–6(5), 6–0                  (5MP)!
2008 Chennai        SF  Moyá          6–7(3), 7–6(8), 7–6(1)            (4MP)
2006 Rome            F    Federer        6–7(0), 7–6(5), 6–4, 2–6, 7–6(5)  (2MP)
2006 Marseille      R32  Rochus        4–6, 6–2, 7–5                    (1MP)
2005 Aus Open        R64  Youzhny        6–1, 4–6, 4–6, 7–5, 6–3          (1MP)

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                                  ***DJOKOVIC***             

MP WASTED (3)               

2018 Queen's        F    Cilic          7–5, 6–7(4), 3–6                  (1MP)
2009 Madrid          SF  Nadal          6–3, 6–7(5), 6–7(9)              (3MP)
2007 Rotterdam      SF  Youzhny        6–3, 6–7(7), 5–7                  (3MP)

MP SAVED (12)               

2017 Doha            SF  Verdasco      4–6, 7–6(7), 6–3                  (5MP)
2015 Montreal        QF  Gulbis        5–7, 7–6(7), 6–1                  (2MP)
2012 Shanghai        F    Murray        5–7, 7–6(11), 6–3                (5MP)!
2012 Roland Garros  QF  Tsonga        6–1, 5–7, 5–7, 7–6(6), 6–1        (4MP)
2011 London WTF      RR  Berdych        3–6, 6–3, 7–6(3)                  (1MP)
2011 US Open        SF  Federer        6–7(7), 4–6, 6–3, 6–2, 7–5        (2MP)
2010 US Open        SF  Federer        5–7, 6–1, 5–7, 6–2, 7–5          (2MP)
2010 Indian Wells    R32  Kohlschreiber  6–3, 2–6, 7–6(3)                  (3MP)
2009 Basel          SF  Stepanek      6–7(4), 7–5, 6–2                  (3MP)
2009 Halle          R16  Serra          5–7, 7–5, 6–1                    (5MP)
2007 Vienna          QF  Chela          6–3, 5–7, 7–6(2)                  (2MP)
2005 Wimbledon      R64  G.Lopez        3–6, 3–6, 7–6(5), 7–6(3), 6–4    (6MP)!*

* Conflicting sources on this one. Some sources say Djokovic saved 6 MP, some say 3.
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                                  ***MURRAY***               

MP WASTED (5)               

2012 Paris          R16  Janowicz      7–5, 6–7(4), 2–6                  (1MP)
2012 Shanghai        F    Djokovic      7–5, 6–7(11), 3–6                (5MP)!
2012 Tokyo          SF  Raonic        3–6, 7–6(5), 6–7(4)              (2MP)
2010 Los Angeles    F    Querrey        7–5, 6–7(2), 3–6                  (1MP)
2008 Miami          R64  Ancic          2–6, 6–2, 6–7(7)                  (2MP)

MP SAVED (11)                 

2017 Dubai          QF  Kohlschreiber  6–7(4), 7–6(18), 6–1              (7MP)!
2016 London WTF      SF  Raonic        5–7, 7–6(5), 7–6(9)              (1MP)
2015 Cincinnati      R16  Dimitrov      4–6, 7–6(3), 7–5                  (1MP)
2014 Valencia        F    Robredo        3–6, 7–6(7), 7–6(8)              (5MP)
2014 Shenzhen        F    Robredo        5–7, 7–6(9), 6–1                  (5MP)
2014 Cincinnati      R16  Isner          6–7(3), 6–4, 7–6(2)              (2MP)
2013 Miami          F    Ferrer        2–6, 6–4, 7–6(1)                  (1MP)
2007 St. Petersburg  SF  Youzhny        6–2, 5–7, 7–6(1)                  (1MP)
2007 Miami          R16  Mathieu        2–6, 7–5, 6–3                    (2MP)
2007 Indian Wells    QF  Haas          3–6, 6–3, 7–6(8)                  (2MP)
2006 Newport        R32  Mello          6–1, 1–6, 7–6(5)                  (5MP)

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Tenez wrote: but I am pretty sure Fed lost in percentage twice as many matches having MP than Nadal, Djoko and Sampras. 

Looks like I was right (cough cough) again. 

Federer: 20/1200 macthes (1.66%) or 1 match every 60
Nadal 8/935 matches (0.85%) or 1 match every 117
Djoko 3/850 matches (0.35%) or 1 match every 283!!!! 

I am not surprised retrievers have a much better record at those. It confirms the point I made for years that the mental stress is on the attacker far more than the retriever. 

You could see yesterday Federer losing on MP again, by being over aggressive on return. It can pay off or break. 

Nonetheless very bad stats from Fed, especially compared to his peers.

whoa, it looks like this was a fun match yesterday, liked what I saw from the young lions.

Tsits's got something...oh, I love that fire...but you all know it, anyway.

Tenez wrote:

Tenez wrote: but I am pretty sure Fed lost in percentage twice as many matches having MP than Nadal, Djoko and Sampras. 

Looks like I was right (cough cough) again. 

Federer: 20/1200 macthes (1.66%) or 1 match every 60
Nadal 8/935 matches (0.85%) or 1 match every 117
Djoko 3/850 matches (0.35%) or 1 match every 283!!!! 

I am not surprised retrievers have a much better record at those. It confirms the point I made for years that the mental stress is on the attacker far more than the retriever. 

You could see yesterday Federer losing on MP again, by being over aggressive on return. It can pay off or break. 

Nonetheless very bad stats from Fed, especially compared to his peers.

This is rubbish and you know it.
Nole saved all 4 of those MPs in USO 10 11 with pure guts.

Change the record, will ya!

Nothing will confirm more my point than that USO 2011 SF. Djoko shitting himself every time there was a pressure point...only to go for his shots where he had nothing left to lose. 

As this record shows, your man is the ultimate retriever...Why he will never be popular. Look at Tsi...a bit of a cheat from a small country as well but his game will give him support everywhere. 

You started it!

Tenez wrote:Nothing will confirm more my point than that USO 2011 SF. Djoko shitting himself every time there was a pressure point...only to go for his shots where he had nothing left to lose. 

As this record shows, your man is the ultimate retriever...Why he will never be popular. Look at Tsi...a bit of a cheat from a small country as well but his game will give him support everywhere. 

You started it!

Many love him. Including me. And that's all that matters!

even though Djoko is a break down I still fancy him to win.

This Djoko can certainly win the French.

Crush him my beautiful Serbian Maaaan!

Clay is a beautiful, honest, brutal surface...love it!

Thiem you prickkkkk

Thiem/Schwartzman just won doubles title for the first time for both 

Fed playing Rome!

Jahu wrote:Fed playing Rome!

Cool. the bounce will be lower, he will go further.

Jahu wrote:Fed playing Rome!

Bring it on, baby!

Nadal will not win tomorrow should he get there. Tsi has already learnt that by extending the rallies, Nadal becomes the loser. Shame Tsi is tired from having played the most matches in the season so far!

Kiki beats that annoying Halep, good!!

I’m beginnining to like Rafa.
The end is nigh, I know.
Stuff it.

Nole gets another cakewalk draw in Rome.  Fed, Thiem, Tsitsipas - even Fognini - are all in Rafa's side of the draw.

noleisthebest wrote:I’m beginnining to like Rafa.
The end is nigh, I know.
Stuff it.

What do you suddenly like about him?

noleisthebest wrote:I’m beginnining to like Rafa.

Whoever wins today will need to improve significantly overnight if they want to have a chance tomorrow.

Tenez wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I’m beginnining to like Rafa.
The end is nigh, I know.
Stuff it.

What do you suddenly like about him?

Sweat, blood and tears. And then some more.
VIVA RAFFFFAAAAA!

It is true that Tsi has all the qualities of a future great player.

What was it?  Hazelnut eyes and caramel skin, or some such?

Tough cookie this Tsitsipas.  He is not as flashy as Shapovalov, but I suspect he may be steelier inside.

summerblues wrote:What was it?  Hazelnut eyes and caramel skin, or some such?

Chocolate ass.

What a return!

summerblues wrote:Tough cookie this Tsitsipas.

And again, this kid is a tough cookie.  It cannot be easy for a SHBH to play Rafa on clay - even if it is in Madrid and even if Rafa is not quite what he used to be - but he is not intimidated at all.

I will say it again.  Tough kid.  I am beginning to like him.  Better than after AO, that is for sure

noleisthebest wrote:

Tenez wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I’m beginnining to like Rafa.
The end is nigh, I know.
Stuff it.

What do you suddenly like about him?

Sweat, blood and tears. And then some more.
VIVA RAFFFFAAAAA!

Yes!

Yes has all the making of a future great....and I am not sure I see a weakness on specific surfaces....maybe grass ...old grass but not this one we have nowadays. so nope....a future GS champion potentially.

I am starting to rethink my view that Shapovalov has bigger shots than Tsitsipas.  Tsitsipas is hitting big, but he is still playing within himself.  I am not sure Shapo could hit this big and still keep it under control.  He hits bigger, but he also sprays it way more.

That was a poor set from Rafa, too many UEs.

DEC1M7 wrote:That was a poor set from Rafa, too many UEs.

Of course....otherwise he would have won it.

Nadal only got that break because of a bit of luck and Tsitsi's level dipping. Not great quality.

DEC1M7 wrote:Nadal only got that break because of a bit of luck and Tsitsi's level dipping. Not great quality.

nadal gets 90% of his points from his opponents' UEs...so nothing new here.

Nadal's problem is that he is no longer impenetrable.  He may or may not win today, but I do not see how he wins tomorrow.  Likewise for Stefanos.  If he wins today, he will find out tomorrow that shots that were winners today will be coming back, and eventually he will start making errors.

Tenez wrote:

DEC1M7 wrote:Nadal only got that break because of a bit of luck and Tsitsi's level dipping. Not great quality.

nadal gets 90% of his points from his opponents' UEs...so nothing new here.

No when he's playing well points he gets most of his points from forced errors, and controls the rallies.

summerblues wrote:Nadal's problem is that he is no longer impenetrable.  He may or may not win today, but I do not see how he wins tomorrow.  Likewise for Stefanos.  If he wins today, he will find out tomorrow that shots that were winners today will be coming back, and eventually he will start making errors.

He should just take the boat back to Mallorca at 5pm tomorrow and pretend he got lost on the way to the match.

To beat Nadal, Tsi would have needed to arrive fresher. has played a lot recently....including a tough 3 setter yesterday. 

Still he is not out yet.

Tenez wrote:To beat Nadal, Tsi would have needed to arrive fresher. has played a lot recently....including a tough 3 setter yesterday. 

Still he is not out yet.

Tsitsi had a bye in the first round and has only dropped 1 set all tournament, moreover as I said yesterday his match was only 2 hours vs Zverev and he played it before Nadal's match. If he's losing this due to fatigue he either needs to quit tennis or find a CVAC chamber pronto.

Nadal looking increasingly frustrated and now 15-40 on his service.

Nadal burying his forehand into the net on his service ... still looking very vulnerable despite Mark Petchey's attempts to describe the match as well in hand.

... and Tsitsipas breaks!

....deservedly.

I saw Tsi's ball in and when the referee went to see it he saw it in too.