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Who will win the title?
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I picked Federer. Going all-in for his last hurrah.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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Fecking Kyrgios??
Still reeling from Anderson being 4th seed!
If Fed avoids Nadal, I'd go for him.
Still reeling from Anderson being 4th seed!
If Fed avoids Nadal, I'd go for him.
legendkillar- Posts : 3266
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I've gone for Djoko I'm afraid. If it goes to seeding Fed has to beat Nadal and Djoko in the last two rounds, and I don't think he can although I think he'd be favourite against everybody else. I also think he'd have a reasonable chance of winning the SF against at least one of those two provided he has not been pushed to long matches in the earlier rounds.
Nadal had a very dicey stretch on grass from 2012-2017, habitually losing to the first guy he met who serves well and hits it hard and flat through the Court, but from Wimbledon 2018 Nadal's slam record has been SF SF F W. It drives me crazy to have to accept this, but if Nadal's fit, and he looks in pretty good nick, he's once more a dangerous prospect on every surface.
Nadal had a very dicey stretch on grass from 2012-2017, habitually losing to the first guy he met who serves well and hits it hard and flat through the Court, but from Wimbledon 2018 Nadal's slam record has been SF SF F W. It drives me crazy to have to accept this, but if Nadal's fit, and he looks in pretty good nick, he's once more a dangerous prospect on every surface.
barrystar- Posts : 903
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I voted, but it would have been better to see the draw first
anyway Djokovic doesnt depend on the draw to be favourite
Federer does depend on the draw a little, in the sense that if he has a really demanding draw, he wont be able to beat djokovic in a final, just for the energy needed for that.
As for Nadal, its more my wish than my belief, but who knows. Anyway he really needs a kind draw in the first week to find his chances
anyway Djokovic doesnt depend on the draw to be favourite
Federer does depend on the draw a little, in the sense that if he has a really demanding draw, he wont be able to beat djokovic in a final, just for the energy needed for that.
As for Nadal, its more my wish than my belief, but who knows. Anyway he really needs a kind draw in the first week to find his chances
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naxroy wrote:As for Nadal, its more my wish than my belief, but who knows. Anyway he really needs a kind draw in the first week to find his chances
He has been more vulnerable in the past in earlier rounds on slicker grass against a hard flat hitter and good server than Federer or Djoko. I don't know whether he and Moya have found a way around that, but if he's fit and gets past the second Monday it's game on.
barrystar- Posts : 903
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Federer is seeded 2, so it is 50-50 chance it could be a Djoker-Rafa projected Sf and Fed has KA... but there are conspiracy theories out there...barrystar wrote:I've gone for Djoko I'm afraid. If it goes to seeding Fed has to beat Nadal and Djoko in the last two rounds, and I don't think he can although I think he'd be favourite against everybody else. I also think he'd have a reasonable chance of winning the SF against at least one of those two provided he has not been pushed to long matches in the earlier rounds.
sphairistike- Posts : 589
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sphairistike wrote:Federer is seeded 2, so it is 50-50 chance it could be a Djoker-Rafa projected Sf and Fed has KA... but there are conspiracy theories out there...barrystar wrote:I've gone for Djoko I'm afraid. If it goes to seeding Fed has to beat Nadal and Djoko in the last two rounds, and I don't think he can although I think he'd be favourite against everybody else. I also think he'd have a reasonable chance of winning the SF against at least one of those two provided he has not been pushed to long matches in the earlier rounds.
I was wrong - I had forgotten the Wimbledon seeding thingy. If Djoko/Nadal are on the same side of the draw and the tournament follows seedings I reckon that's pretty big for Federer's chances
barrystar- Posts : 903
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Why is Nadal frequently on the list when he hasn't won it in how long? And keeps getting his arse handed to him by rank 100s.
Daniel2- Posts : 629
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Because he is one of the three past champions in the field, and because he came to within a whisker of making the final (and thus a whisker and a half of winning the title) last year.Daniel2 wrote:Why is Nadal frequently on the list when he hasn't won it in how long? And keeps getting his arse handed to him by rank 100s.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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yeah, Nadal may be no big favourite for the title, but he sure is in the handful of names that "could" win it
naxroy- Posts : 1220
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Daniel2 wrote:Why is Nadal frequently on the list when he hasn't won it in how long? And keeps getting his arse handed to him by rank 100s.
As others have said a long-term pedigree of x2 winner, x3 finalist coupled with being definitely the second-best player in the draw last year. He came within a whisker of winning the epic SF (the final points tally was 195:191 and they each broke one another's serve 4 times). That SF was the effective final. He'd have stuffed Anderson in the F just like Djoko did. I'd also argue that he comes into this tournament in what looks like a better physical and mental frame than he has done for some time. Of course, he may have a Rosol/Darcis/Kyrgios/Brown/Muller experience once more against a big serving flat hitter playing freely on an unworn court, but it is not to be assumed.
barrystar- Posts : 903
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Dammit, Federer & Nadal in the same half.
bogbrush- Posts : 3052
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Nadal's luck. Beyond the fact I firmly believe Nadal was given easy draws and had courts slowed down for him, I also think this guy's luck is beyond belief. Even those who work hard to create their own luck are not nearly as lucky as this player.
I am glad he is on Fed's side for the simple reason I d like to see them play again on normalish conditions.
I am glad he is on Fed's side for the simple reason I d like to see them play again on normalish conditions.
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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He has Kyrgios in Round 2 are you out of your mind.Tenez wrote:Nadal's luck.
N2D2L- Posts : 5813
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Fed asked for Nadal on his side, so he can crush him for that windy RG loss...
Issue is Rafa will not see the SF.
Issue is Rafa will not see the SF.
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I don't care either way. I want Fed to get to F and hopefully he can win it, especially if Djoko does not make it (which is doubtful).
Nadal got lucky, he is effectively seeded 2.
Nadal got lucky, he is effectively seeded 2.
sphairistike- Posts : 589
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Probably Djokovic. The weather will play it's part as will the new roof on Court 1 which hopefully will mean less play on CC thus preserving some of the grass. If it's a rainy fortnight followed by a blazing hot final weekend then Federer's chances go up. Of course he has to get there first and at his age he can lose to anyone at any time, so that's certainly no guarantee.
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Here we go.
Good luck Kohli!
It will be nice if Djokovic can start his Wimbledon on Tuesday next year.
Good luck Kohli!
It will be nice if Djokovic can start his Wimbledon on Tuesday next year.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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Kohli could save us all today, come onnnnn
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Weather looking good for the week ahead and into next week. So fingers crossed we won't see a fixture pile up like we did in Paris!
Don't see Darcis vs Zverev having many rallies!
Don't see Darcis vs Zverev having many rallies!
legendkillar- Posts : 3266
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summerblues wrote:Here we go.
Good luck Kohli!
It will be nice if Djokovic can start his Wimbledon on Tuesday next year.
Funny to think that if Djoko wins again this year he's on a par with Borg. I've always thought of him as, somehow, not a 'true' Wimbledon champion, but the boy's done good.
barrystar- Posts : 903
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once draw is out, I keep my vote
Novak is the favourite
Novak is the favourite
naxroy- Posts : 1220
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barrystar wrote:summerblues wrote:Here we go.
Good luck Kohli!
It will be nice if Djokovic can start his Wimbledon on Tuesday next year.
Funny to think that if Djoko wins again this year he's on a par with Borg. I've always thought of him as, somehow, not a 'true' Wimbledon champion, but the boy's done good.
In his era, Borg was no more of a grass whizard than Nole is in this era. He had Macenroe to make him look "clay-ish"
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With those big tennis balls and baked courts, it's today's Wimbledon which is not a "true" Wimbledon.barrystar wrote:summerblues wrote:Here we go.
Good luck Kohli!
It will be nice if Djokovic can start his Wimbledon on Tuesday next year.
Funny to think that if Djoko wins again this year he's on a par with Borg. I've always thought of him as, somehow, not a 'true' Wimbledon champion, but the boy's done good.
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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IDEMO NOLE MAJSTORE, PO TITULU BREEEEEEE !!!!!!
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Tenez wrote:With those big tennis balls and baked courts, it's today's Wimbledon which is not a "true" Wimbledon.barrystar wrote:summerblues wrote:Here we go.
Good luck Kohli!
It will be nice if Djokovic can start his Wimbledon on Tuesday next year.
Funny to think that if Djoko wins again this year he's on a par with Borg. I've always thought of him as, somehow, not a 'true' Wimbledon champion, but the boy's done good.
True that!
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Is the 'great white hope' of tennis, conqueror this year of defending Champ Roger Federer at the AO and of Rafael Nadal at Madrid related to the young man a set down to world #89 Fabbiano at Wimbledon? I think we should be told.
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barrystar wrote:Is the 'great white hope' of tennis, conqueror this year of defending Champ Roger Federer at the AO and of Rafael Nadal at Madrid related to the young man a set down to world #89 Fabbiano at Wimbledon? I think we should be told.
Nah, as I have been saying for a while now, Tsitsipas is overrated, he ran hot for a few months but it is now catching up with him, like it had in the past with other teenagers. He now has to win it in 5 sets, if at all...
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Tsi and grass are at least 3 years away.
While Felix seems right at home on any court.
While Felix seems right at home on any court.
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Tsi goes home.
Zverev too..
Dimi seems in the mood.
Zverev too..
Dimi seems in the mood.
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barrystar wrote:Is the 'great white hope' of tennis, conqueror this year of defending Champ Roger Federer at the AO and of Rafael Nadal at Madrid related to the young man a set down to world #89 Fabbiano at Wimbledon? I think we should be told.
It would seem that any relation or resemblance is indeed coincidental.
Meanwhile, the shiny bright next big thing and WTA #1 of early 2019 seems to have disappeared in a veil of tears, along with 2018's next big thing in the men's game aka Alexander Zverev.
Consistency is more difficult than the Big 3, Andy Murray, and Serena Williams have made it look these last few years.
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Wimbledon have come over all egalitarian in their schedule - tomorrow each of the show courts has two women's matches and one men's match.
Let's see if that holds over the weekend and beyond when we have R3, R4 and on.
Let's see if that holds over the weekend and beyond when we have R3, R4 and on.
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barrystar wrote:barrystar wrote:Is the 'great white hope' of tennis, conqueror this year of defending Champ Roger Federer at the AO and of Rafael Nadal at Madrid related to the young man a set down to world #89 Fabbiano at Wimbledon? I think we should be told.
It would seem that any relation or resemblance is indeed coincidental.
Meanwhile, the shiny bright next big thing and WTA #1 of early 2019 seems to have disappeared in a veil of tears, along with 2018's next big thing in the men's game aka Alexander Zverev.
Consistency is more difficult than the Big 3, Andy Murray, and Serena Williams have made it look these last few years.
I'd even throw Ferrer in as a consistent No.5 in the world for a prolonged period.
What I see with NextGen going as far back as Dimi whereby clearly many have had the talent, but it's another talent altogether to push on and maximise that talent. Dimi, Tomic, Raonic, Nishi, Thiem, Zverev, Kyrgios that showed promise and not really followed through on it. When you see Shapovalov and Tsitsy you just hope they don't consign themselves to the what could've been category.
If you didn't have Djokovic, Federer or Nadal in this draw, I couldn't tell you who would win.
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Dimi sucks and sent home in 5 after 2 sets up.
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Lot of truth in there, brav.legendkillar wrote:barrystar wrote:barrystar wrote:Is the 'great white hope' of tennis, conqueror this year of defending Champ Roger Federer at the AO and of Rafael Nadal at Madrid related to the young man a set down to world #89 Fabbiano at Wimbledon? I think we should be told.
It would seem that any relation or resemblance is indeed coincidental.
Meanwhile, the shiny bright next big thing and WTA #1 of early 2019 seems to have disappeared in a veil of tears, along with 2018's next big thing in the men's game aka Alexander Zverev.
Consistency is more difficult than the Big 3, Andy Murray, and Serena Williams have made it look these last few years.
I'd even throw Ferrer in as a consistent No.5 in the world for a prolonged period.
What I see with NextGen going as far back as Dimi whereby clearly many have had the talent, but it's another talent altogether to push on and maximise that talent. Dimi, Tomic, Raonic, Nishi, Thiem, Zverev, Kyrgios that showed promise and not really followed through on it. When you see Shapovalov and Tsitsy you just hope they don't consign themselves to the what could've been category.
If you didn't have Djokovic, Federer or Nadal in this draw, I couldn't tell you who would win.
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Nole's half of the draw is proving every bit as resilient as expected.
It would be funny if Zverev managed to finish his career without ever making a slam SF. Probably too much to ask for, but a boy can dream.
It would be funny if Zverev managed to finish his career without ever making a slam SF. Probably too much to ask for, but a boy can dream.
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Kyrgios's match is very important tomorrow. He is perfectly capable of losing to Thompson, but for the sake of humanity I hope he wins.
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That's some serious fortune on Djokovic's side.
Monfils, Dimitrov, Tsitsipas, Zverev gone. FAA lurking in that side and certainly someone Djokovic would like to avoid, however an early challenge is a good thing. Like SB you hope Kyrgios makes it through today just really for Nadal to have a challenge.
Federer's side just looks like the biggest cupcake for a while.
Looking at Anderson's side. Who knows who will get to the semi from that side. Whomever comes from that potential 3rd round of Wawrinka/Raonic I feel would have the momentum.
Monfils, Dimitrov, Tsitsipas, Zverev gone. FAA lurking in that side and certainly someone Djokovic would like to avoid, however an early challenge is a good thing. Like SB you hope Kyrgios makes it through today just really for Nadal to have a challenge.
Federer's side just looks like the biggest cupcake for a while.
Looking at Anderson's side. Who knows who will get to the semi from that side. Whomever comes from that potential 3rd round of Wawrinka/Raonic I feel would have the momentum.
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Top half of the draw is seriously boring. Who is there to realistically trouble Nole? I mean, Kev could actually be the toughest opponent there, and that says a lot. Squinting hard, I see this motley crew of potential challengers:
FAA: biggest potential but still young and while he did well in grass tune-ups, he looked a little out of place on grass. I cannot see him causing Nole trouble.
Raonic was not good enough at his best, and he is well past it. Similar goes for Lopez, and for Stan on grass.
Goffin, another one with a good grass tune-up but who has not convinced me he is a solid grass court player.
Medvedev? I have no idea. Is he any good on grass? He seems to have disappeared after a good start to the clay court season.
Khachanov? Not sure he would be good enough on any surface but is he any good on grass? Again, cannot see it.
With guys like Kyrgios or Cilic there is at least hope that they play an inspired match and do something. But these guys here? I think we will need to rely on Nole self-destructing somewhere along the way, or else he is in the final.
FAA: biggest potential but still young and while he did well in grass tune-ups, he looked a little out of place on grass. I cannot see him causing Nole trouble.
Raonic was not good enough at his best, and he is well past it. Similar goes for Lopez, and for Stan on grass.
Goffin, another one with a good grass tune-up but who has not convinced me he is a solid grass court player.
Medvedev? I have no idea. Is he any good on grass? He seems to have disappeared after a good start to the clay court season.
Khachanov? Not sure he would be good enough on any surface but is he any good on grass? Again, cannot see it.
With guys like Kyrgios or Cilic there is at least hope that they play an inspired match and do something. But these guys here? I think we will need to rely on Nole self-destructing somewhere along the way, or else he is in the final.
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Thiem, Tsitsipas and Zverev are the three highest ranked 20-somethings, and they all managed to lose in the first round.
Cool.
Cool.
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Be very careful SB, such analysis may result in you receiving a torrent of abuse and your IQ being downgraded.summerblues wrote:
With guys like Kyrgios or Cilic there is at least hope that they play an inspired match and do something. But these guys here? I think we will need to rely on Nole self-destructing somewhere along the way, or else he is in the final.
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DEC1M8 wrote:Be very careful SB, such analysis may result in you receiving a torrent of abuse and your IQ being downgraded.summerblues wrote:
With guys like Kyrgios or Cilic there is at least hope that they play an inspired match and do something. But these guys here? I think we will need to rely on Nole self-destructing somewhere along the way, or else he is in the final.
Amrit, it is this type of comment that shows how stupid you are. Opinions are fine, throwing stupid names out there and making wrong conclusions out of it thinking your own opinions are facts, shows a lack of intelligence. And let's face it, we can bet as many quids as you want, you an I both know your IQ being below 140 is not a downgrade, it is a fact, and if you had any type of intellectual honesty you'd acknowledge it. The question for me really is whether it is above 120, and I doubt that, but please feel free to post your IQ if you think 120 is a downgrade.
SB is fine, he has his opinion and at least he has an argument why he thinks so. My opinion is that unknown quantities always make things more dangerous and this is also why Kyrgios is seen as dangerous and also, with the late teens early twenties players, we know they can progress way faster than we may think but in stints, so IMHO they are more dangerous than Cilic, obviously, whose form is poor but also Kyrgios based on his results in slams alone.
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