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Post by Daniel2 on Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:21 pm

Has there ever been a more worthless generation than with this lot?

No.

It's beyond worthless.  It's just pathetic in the extreme.

Across the board, these chump bottlers show time and time again why they are failures—whether it be due to lack of brains, despite having the game (Cilic springs to mind... so, too, sadly, does Del Potro), having the gumption of a three year old (Kyrgios), the bottle of one of those sugar beer bottles (Theim, Zverev, Nishikori, Raonic, Dimitrov - take your pic) , they are all exceptional at only one thing: LOSING.

The place that suffers most is clay.  At the moment, there are only two candidates for basically every French Open - Nadal and Djokovic.  There are ZERO other clay specialists (and to be fair, Djok is a hard court specialist).  Theim can hardly be called a specialist - unless it's in bottling on the biggest stage.

With that said, I will now place - in order - my top 8 most worthless players of the last 5 years:

8. Del Potro

I know what you're thinking.  Is Daniel crazy putting this amazing player of yesteryear in the mix? A slam winner.  Well, yeah.  You know why?  Because he's a Cilic clone. And a total underachiever.  He has more bottle and that's it.  But he's so utterly brainless and void of a game plan.  I've never seen any player with this man's talent and height so afraid of the net. It's comical - the same as with Cilic - to watch him fire a bomb out wide to then just sit there waiting for it to be floated back to one inch on the baseline.  He's got great movement and he doesn't use it.  He's stuck in his ways and so will be stuck on one Slam forever. 

7. Cilic

Brainless.  He isn't totally in with Generation Worthless, but if he wasn't the scarecrow from Wizard of Oz, he'd have won far more. 

6. Zverev

There's time yet, but he's doing his best to join the rest of these chumps.  Every slam, we wonder if he's finally going to excel.  Now is the time... said quite a few after last years Tour Finals, but we all remember Dimitrov doing the same....

5. Theim

There's time yet, just like Zverev - but that time is running out and so is my patience.  On clay, he shows promise.  But look at how he folded like wet tissue paper in the FO. Where it matters, so far, he's firmly part of Generation Worthless. 

4. Raonic

I remember bigging this guy up.  He has the serve, he has the forehand.  He looked for a small time like he had the mental aptitude, too - but he's another clueless bottler when it matters. 

3. Dimitrov

What a waste.  Gutless.  Brainless. Bottler. Baby Fed was being kind.  He's more like Foetus Fed. 


2. Kyrgios

I have Kyrgios at number 2 because out of this whole bunch he's the one person who could win multiple slams and doesn't realize it through petulance. It's one thing to be a bottler -  but another to have all the right ingredients, but simply not give a toss. He's pushed Federer at his best the last few years to the limits - but one match won't win you tournaments.  I love Kyrgios... but he needs to ship up or ship out. 

1. Nishikori

I think this worthless sack of excrement can be the only candidate for the N1 most worthless player. A pure bottler wimp.  The only thing this guy excels at more than kicking out a decent prospect early on - is retiring a few rounds later.  When the opponent sees they have Nishikori in a QF, SF, or final, they roll around on the floor laughing.  He has no stamina, no mental reserves, no fight. I wish he'd just retire.

I also missed Anderson.  Another who fails at the finish line.

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Post by naxroy on Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:31 pm

all great tennis players, some of them slam winners, slam finalists, master winnners, atpfinals winners...

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Post by Daniel2 on Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:37 pm

Your definition of great isn't mine.  But you don't play the game, so that makes sense.


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Post by legendkillar on Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:41 pm

naxroy wrote:all great tennis players, some of them slam winners, slam finalists, master winnners, atpfinals winners...

You can't polish turds...

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Post by legendkillar on Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:43 pm

I share your frustration as I bet many others do... 

Seems it's in the hands of time and being lucky enough to be born early enough to ever face Federer, Nadal or Djokovic...

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Post by naxroy on Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:46 pm

Daniel2 wrote:You're definition of great isn't mine.  But you don't play the game, so that makes sense.


lol

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Post by BEL19VE on Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:48 pm

Lmao totally agree

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Post by Jahu on Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:28 pm

naxroy wrote:all great tennis players, some of them slam winners, slam finalists, master winnners, atpfinals winners...

I like your positivity and trying to find the good side on everything.

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Post by Daniel2 on Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:54 pm

I bet Roddick is thinking "I had to put up with Fed in beast mode and a solid field.  Wish I were around now to get a retiring numpty like Nish"

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:04 pm

Nishi must be thinking " I wish I were dealing with guys klike Roddick, young Djoko and Fed with his antic racquet. "

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Post by Daniel2 on Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:07 pm

Except if you look at Federer with his smaller racquet, he was generating better forehands.  Videos are all there.

It's laughable you think Nish has any prayer v Fed's 2003-10 stage.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:16 pm

It doesnt matter how great was his FH if his BH was soft and weak. That's where they were playing him. Fed was getting lessoned by young Nadal, young Djoko and young Murray. Those guys became monsters of consistency thereafter..yet Fed kept up with them thanks to improving his game and tool.


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Post by Jahu on Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:24 pm

So if Fed was always with a DHBH he would of been on 30GS?  erm

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:33 pm

Jahu wrote:So if Fed was always with a DHBH he would of been on 30GS?  erm

I think had he learnt to play with the bigger frame, he would probably have never lost to those guys....unless injured like he sometimes was.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:32 am

Tenez wrote:
Jahu wrote:So if Fed was always with a DHBH he would of been on 30GS?  erm

I think had he learnt to play with the bigger frame, he would probably have never lost to those guys....unless injured like he sometimes was.

Difficult to say. He may have fared better against that kind of gameplan that Nadal, Murray and Djoko employee. But the old racquet was better for slicing and the Slicing BH also helped him a lot against other guys like Roddick, Nalbandian and Hewitt.

So we may never know if Fed's overall haul of slam was going to be any more.

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Post by barrystar on Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:05 am

I did enjoy that - although I find him an extremely frustrating presence in tournaments for much the reasons Daniel says, I'm not sure I'd describe Nishikori as a worthless sack of excrement, not least because uniquely of all the players mentioned he has a case for saying that he has achieved the (frustrating) best available to someone of his limited physical gifts in this era.  

I can't help hearing echoes of Henman in the case of Nishikori.

I'm a fan of Del Boy - but I agree that he needs (or needed) to be more than a somewhat one-dimensional bludgeon.

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Post by naxroy on Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:37 pm

it is not really a problem of these generations... the thing is, it is totally extraordinary to have 3 goat level tennis players like we have had since 2004

you cant blame later generations when truth is, never in the history of the sport 3 players of such level shared the tour

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Post by legendkillar on Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:35 am

barrystar wrote:I did enjoy that - although I find him an extremely frustrating presence in tournaments for much the reasons Daniel says, I'm not sure I'd describe Nishikori as a worthless sack of excrement, not least because uniquely of all the players mentioned he has a case for saying that he has achieved the (frustrating) best available to someone of his limited physical gifts in this era.  

I can't help hearing echoes of Henman in the case of Nishikori.

I'm a fan of Del Boy - but I agree that he needs (or needed) to be more than a somewhat one-dimensional bludgeon.

I'd only ever agree if Henman's will and conditioning was as weak as Nishikori's! 

On that level, Nishikori has no equal.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:32 pm

I do not agree about Delpo. He would have done well had he not had his injuries.

I also derive some pleasure from the fact that Zverev has been to one slam QF. So it is.not all bad.

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Post by Daniel2 on Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:17 pm

And so..... after all said and done... the same people in the final.  Again.  YAWN. Generation Worthless indeed. 

The only positive is that Nadal's clearly on his way out.  Time to join the other defending bore - Murray. About time.

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Post by AceofDeath on Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:45 pm

I can see Pouille and Tsitsi following in the footsteps of Gasquet and Janowicz after they made the semis. 

They won't bring it when it matters most.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:57 pm

Frankly it is so difficult to predict.

Look at Shapo..he is certainly one with talent but his mind is all over the place. On the other hand look at Medv he looked mentally so bad at first and now he is one of the most dangerous out there.

Kasha can also do some damage. But winning slams is so tough physically that being 30, like winning the tour, actually helps nowadays.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:36 pm

My concern for the latest young generation is firstly the lack of self-belief.
Tsits is the only one that comes across as genuinely entitled.

And I think he will somehow survive next two years unscathed.

Everyone else looks already burnt out in their desire: Shapo, Rublev etc...

It is weird to have this prolonged tennis careers phenomenon...but looking at other sports it’s probably going to become a norm.


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Post by Daniel2 on Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:12 pm

Shapo is 19...  It's way too early to make any judgement calls on him.

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Post by Daniel2 on Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:17 pm

1. Nishikori. 

Again.


When the opponent sees they have Nishikori in a QF, SF, or final, they roll around on the floor laughing.  He has no stamina, no mental reserves, no fight. I wish he'd just retire.



And, boy, did Nadal laugh.

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Post by summerblues on Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:01 am

LOL.  Nadal must have been having fun.  To think that Nishi may be the best player of his generation.  Frightening.

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Post by Emancipator on Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:28 pm

But don’t forget Tenez and NITB’s mantra: Nishikori is so talented.

He’s bloody useless. As Daniel has stated, a virtual bye in the latter rounds. By that stage he’d be guaranteed to have already played multiple 5 setters arriving with his body held together by duct tape. As BB has said, what is the point of him?

Agree with SB regarding DP. He’s just been unlucky with injuries. 

Djokovic has been munching on this weak era for the last 5 years. Wait, hang on..apologies NITB and Tenez, allow me to rephrase; Djokovic has been dominating the most advanced and highest level field in the history of the sport. Because we know the field just keeps getting stronger every year. Never mind that 35/6 year old Federer also dominated the same field after being out for 6 months with injury - he too of course was better than ever.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:08 pm

Emancipator wrote:
Agree with SB regarding DP. He’s just been unlucky with injuries. 

And what makes you think Nishi is always 100%?

Nishi stopped Djoko from having an extra slam. Delpo never stopped Djokovic in a slam.

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Post by Emancipator on Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:47 pm

Well, that’s partly the point. He’s as fragile as a glass vars and predictably falls apart by the latter rounds. But even when fit he’s not actually a threat to win anything.
Actually, I do think Nishikori is a great ball striker - but he’s not a champ.

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Post by Daniel2 on Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:48 pm

Emancipator wrote: By that stage he’d be guaranteed to have already played multiple 5 setters arriving with his body held together by duct tape. 


Laugh

My problem with him more than anything is his lack of fight and mental fortitude.  He rolls over every time.  Doesn't even challenge.  There's no spark or will to win... or real passion to make you believe he wants it.  The US Open final was the same... he just looked like he didn't give a crap.  He's a total LOSER!  A LOSER!!!

There are players on tour that don't have 1/8 the talent of Nishikori, but I'd sooner take their 50+ ranking  - because they play to win and give a shit - than be Nishikori.  I don't understand how any professional player can reach his ranking and be so worthless.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:03 pm

Emancipator wrote:Well, that’s partly the point. He’s as fragile as a glass vars and predictably falls apart by the latter rounds. But even when fit he’s not actually a threat to win anything.
Actually, I do think Nishikori is a great ball striker - but he’s not a champ.
But Nishi is one player who at 25 was hurting all 3 players! Beat Fed...made Nadal look stupid on clay and beat Djoko a few times. I could not predict that his injuries and lack of form or else would make him decline from number 4 to number 40....

No-one can predict those losses of form. The talent is there...even if indeed very fragile since those injuries.


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Post by summerblues on Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:32 am

Daniel2 wrote:My problem with him more than anything is his lack of fight and mental fortitude.  He rolls over every time.
True.

Funnily though, he has the best 5th set record from among all active players - better than Nole, better than Rafa.  I suppose he gets himself into 5th sets against all kinds of riffraff, and wins those.  Whereas against the top players he just folds and never even sees the 5th set.

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Post by BEL19VE on Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:33 pm

Can we add Zverev to the list of pointless players?

Even if he does somehow win a slam it will be when all the good players are retired/ injured.
Hys style is unique in that it manages to turn off both Federer and Nadal fans. He has a big serve which isn't particularly flashy, and he doesn't attack much from the baseline, just a steady hard hitter. Waste of space

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Post by naxroy on Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:14 pm

Maybe the real worthless generation is this generation of online tennis fans

of course I might be wrong

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Post by Tenez on Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:29 pm

DEC1M7 wrote:Can we add Zverev to the list of pointless players?

Even if he does somehow win a slam it will be when all the good players are retired/ injured.
Hys style is unique in that it manages to turn off both Federer and Nadal fans. He has a big serve which isn't particularly flashy, and he doesn't attack much from the baseline, just a steady hard hitter. Waste of space

He will be a much better player than Djoko will be...probably not at "tropheed" but he already showed in that first set how good he can be. Did Djoko throw many matches away before 2011 v Nadal and Federer?

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Post by BEL19VE on Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:33 pm

Tenez wrote:
He will be a much better player than Djoko will be...
Aaaaaargh

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Post by Daniel2 on Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:29 pm

Zverev is already on the list.  First post.

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Post by Daniel2 on Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:18 pm

I think we can safely write Thiem off. He's staying part of this club.  Tsitispas on the other hand....

Lucker doper escaped him though.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:35 am

Shapovalov losing in st. sets to  Struff. 3 times in the last 3 meetings. And he doesn't have the excuse of clay here. He is supposed to be winning or at least making finals of these smaller 250 tournaments.

I'm hoping he is injured, else he these continuous early exists are hurting my hopes on him. 

Tsitsipas is the by far the best 21- players out there.

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Post by barrystar on Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:01 pm

Yup, Tsitsipas is carrying the bulk of the weight of the expectations of his generation on his shoulders.

Thiem has edged forward slowly this year, but he's 25 and it's his 6th year on tour.

Perhaps it's worth remembering that Stan was a frustrating and patchy presence until he bloomed pretty late on?

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Post by naxroy on Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:19 pm

it all happens later now

there was a time in which tennis player over 29 years old were considered old, and rarely won big tournaments
and in those times, big star started winning slams as teenagers

mcenroe won his first at 20 and last slam at 25
wilander won his  first at 17 and last slam at 24
edberg  first at 19 and last at 26
becker  first at 17 and last at 28
lendl 21-29
Borg: 18-25


its also true that before those years and after, players kept winning at older age

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:04 pm

barrystar wrote:Yup, Tsitsipas is carrying the bulk of the weight of the expectations of his generation on his shoulders.

Thiem has edged forward slowly this year, but he's 25 and it's his 6th year on tour.

Perhaps it's worth remembering that Stan was a frustrating and patchy presence until he bloomed pretty late on?

Norman has to take a significant amount of credit for Wawrinka becoming a Slam winner. Shored up the FH and made it a weapon and also got Wawrinka serving quicker. 

Tsitsipas has shown steady consistency. Similarly like Zverev, but with another gear/level he can go up. 

Thiem I reckon will lift RG, but won't be the serial winner like the Big 3 or even Stan or Murray.

Shapovalov seems like he has the making of that rather erratic inconsistent player that will frustrate more than thrill. He just doesn't seem to have found the gradual consistency or that baseline consistency that Tsitsipas has established. Too much guts and glory is Shapovalov and will likely end up being the Fognini of his generation. Someone that had the tools to achieve more than they did.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:40 pm

naxroy wrote:it all happens later now

there was a time in which tennis player over 29 years old were considered old, and rarely won big tournaments
and in those times, big star started winning slams as teenagers

mcenroe won his first at 20 and last slam at 25
wilander won his  first at 17 and last slam at 24
edberg  first at 19 and last at 26
becker  first at 17 and last at 28
lendl 21-29
Borg: 18-25


its also true that before those years and after, players kept winning at older age
This is true.....and I have clearly explained why. It is not rocket science. But for some reasons people get stuck to the short time (beginning of he open era 1975 - 95) where players were pushed down the ranking by new comers.

Nowadays it is the other way around.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:25 am

They should have a WorthlessGen year-end finals just like they have for NextGen.  Anyone who is between 25-30, and used to be promising but never got anywhere could qualify.

Here are some potential contenders - some of them from Daniel's list above, but some others too:

Kyrgios, current #36, high rank #13, prodigious talent, waste of space
Dimitrov, #46, high #3, what has ever happened to him?
Rublev, #81, high #31, still young but rapidly headed to the garbage heap
Tomic, #88, high #17, the less said the better
Vesely, #107, high #35, this one was once also talked about as future potential, now at 25 he seems to be long washed up
Hyeon Chung, #157, high #19, another one to forget, no longer even highest ranked Korean (Korean!)
Kokkinakis, #183, high #69, was he meant to be good?  There was some talk at one point, all fizzled by now

The ATP could stage a year-end tournament for them somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

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Post by Jahu on Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:35 pm

Dolgopolov, high rank #13 - I really liked him, his slicing was superb, light on the feet, slim little fast git, seemed like floating on court when in right mood. Made some money, but also has Gilberts syndrome. Beat Fed&Stan for Miami doubles title, hehe.

Goffin, current #30, high rank #7, dont know what his problem is, mental midget too? lost 7 finals so far.

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Post by Daniel2 on Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:47 pm

Worthless generation continues...  Just no end to this same tired lineup.  And changing the conditions to favour these baseline one dimensional turds isn't helping any.

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Post by naxroy on Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:00 am

Stop hating and have a life.

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Post by Daniel2 on Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:48 am

Get a mind of your own and learn to have critical thinking, rather than be a silly fanboy bellend suckling at Nadal's teet as if he knows or cares about you.

You don't play this game and you know fuck all.

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Post by naxroy on Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:37 pm

I do play the game though. Better on Hc than Clay btw. You hate too much. I wish you could feel love sometime

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:22 am

naxroy wrote:Stop hating and have a life.  

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He is a hater too and should get a life, isn't it?  Doh

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