Paris Masters 2018

by Jahu Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:00 pm

https://www.rolexparismasters.com/sites/bnppm7.ap2s.fr/files/MDSRPM18_2.pdf

Exciting potential early round matchups:

Richard Gasquet v Denis Shapovalov
Borna Coric v Daniil Medvedev
Alex De Minaur v Diego Schwartzmann
Kyle Edmund v Karen Khachanov
Kevin Anderson v Nikoloz Basilashvilli
Milos Raonic v Jo-Wilfred Tsonga
Roger Federer v Jo-Wilfred Tsonga/Milos Raonic

by Tenez Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:57 am

Interesting draw. Did not expect Nadal and Federer to enter.

by barrystar Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:55 pm

I looked at the draw when it first came out and because I was so sure Fed wouldn't be there I didn't even look for his name - now I have it's annoying that he's on Djoko's side and not Nadal's on this relatively fast surface.

It is a good draw on paper, but at Bercy there are usually a lot of tired players and the draw frequently collapses.

Djoko will be looking to put some clear blue sky between him and Nadal for #1.

by Tenez Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:21 pm

Yes some tired players except for Djoko and Nadal who have been resting lately.

by bogbrush Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:53 pm

Federer is nuts to play this.

by Jahu Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:56 pm

Did Fed confirm he will play? I thought he had till today to confirm before the match tomorrow.

by Daniel Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:27 pm

Not smart from Fed at all. If he plays, his likely result is a loss at some point. Djok is playing for YEN1 and will put his all into it. Fed should rest up.

Nadal.. well - he's just desperate to hold on to N1. Poor fool.

by Tenez Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:06 pm

Is it me or does the court look ridiculously bouncy?

by Tenez Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:19 pm

The difference between Souza and Djoko? hardy any...Djoko more solid but less penetrating shots.....and mouvement of course.

by Jahu Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:26 pm

Sousa would do a big favor to tennis world to beat Djoko tonight.

Also the camera angle/field of view on Paris has always looked bad on TV, court looks so wideeeee

by Tenez Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:27 pm

And the score at 4 all confirms there is not much between those 2....but as the match goes on Djoko's consistency will make the difference.

by Jahu Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:31 pm

He can rally at least. Lets see how long can he grind.

by Tenez Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:33 pm

he make Djoko run miles. Djoko asking Souza to slow down between serves.

by Jahu Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:36 pm

Break him NOW!!!!

by Jahu Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:43 pm

ffs lucky git hit the line, set gone.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:29 am

Tenez wrote:The difference between Souza and Djoko? hardy any...Djoko more solid but less penetrating shots.....and mouvement of course.

Big differences start to show as the match reaches the business end of the set. And it gets further in how the next set starts and ends. The mentality in tennis makes big differences.

by Tenez Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:22 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:The difference between Souza and Djoko? hardy any...Djoko more solid but less penetrating shots.....and mouvement of course.

Big differences start to show as the match reaches the business end of the set. And it gets further in how the next set starts and ends. The mentality in tennis makes big differences.

Did you see the match? Djoko turned into a no mistake mode at the business end of the match...and forced Sousa to make easy mistakes. As I mentioned earlier he even asked Sousa to wait for him to be ready to receive. That's why you see it as mental but the real reason is fitness. It's that fitness which gives the mental edge.

by Tenez Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:51 am

What's going on with the ATP Website? It's been blocked for 2 days!

by Jahu Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:48 pm

Working ok here.

Fed playing today.

by Tenez Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:52 pm

working now....

by barrystar Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:45 pm

So Nadal withdraws - this time its abdominal which has crept up on him over the last couple of days, and Fed is into Round 3 after Raonic gives him a walkover - his opponent Fognini also had a walkover to get to R3.

Typical Bercy, and boring that Fed is in the same half as Djoko (although I don't expect him to fight through to the SF).

Djoko new #1 at the end of the week come what may, and close to 100% nailed on for y/e #1.

by Tenez Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:28 pm

Yes Nadal probably knew he was not going to play. Just there to sell tickets.

Now it might be far fetch, but it possible Raonic knew he was never going to play and putting him v Fed in the first round could have been a condition to have Fed entering Bercy. The French may have had to be smart to guarantee Fed gets more rest and doesn't play 5 matches in 5 days.

by barrystar Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:43 pm

Er, Raonic won his first match vs. Tsonga in three tie-break sets which lasted 2hrs 52mins, so I don't think that's it.

by Tenez Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:00 pm

Fair point. Did not know about the Tsonga match.

Lucky Fed, then.

by Daniel Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:16 pm

I'm sure Nadal wanted to be there - he has now virtually handed YEN1 to Djokovic. That's something he would not ever allow normally without fighting for it. So for once I actually believe his injury or issue is genuine.

by Jahu Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:12 pm

So Nadal again fucks up the draw, he never intended to play Paris.

by Tenez Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:33 pm

Daniel wrote:I'm sure Nadal wanted to be there - he has now virtually handed YEN1 to Djokovic. That's something he would not ever allow normally without fighting for it. So for once I actually believe his injury or issue is genuine.

Yes, though I think his injuries were often real. Problem is that he talked too much about it. I am pretty sure fed could win slams or tournaments not 100%. Nadal could not. He needed to be 110%.

by Tenez Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:35 pm

Jahu wrote:So Nadal again fucks up the draw, he never intended to play Paris.

I guess it was difficult for the organisers as they were not sure Federer would play either. So the smart thing would have been to put Fed and Nadal on the same side, hoping one of them would be there towards the end.

Anyway, I think Zverev is now the real number 3.

by bogbrush Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:29 am

Or pick them out of a hat.

by Jahu Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:51 pm

Some good matches today. Hope Cilic can crush Djoko tomorrow.

by Jahu Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:57 pm

Tomorrow matches:

Zverev - Kachanov
Sock - Thiem
Cilic - Djokovic
Nishi - Fed

by Tenez Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:22 am

Not easy for Fed. Nishi is reaching peak form again.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:23 am

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:The difference between Souza and Djoko? hardy any...Djoko more solid but less penetrating shots.....and mouvement of course.

Big differences start to show as the match reaches the business end of the set. And it gets further in how the next set starts and ends. The mentality in tennis makes big differences.
Did you see the match? Djoko turned into a no mistake mode at the business end of the match...and forced Sousa to make easy mistakes. As I mentioned earlier he even asked Sousa to wait for him to be ready to receive. That's why you see it as mental but the real reason is fitness. It's that fitness which gives the mental edge.

If Sousa can be forced into making easy mistakes, then what does that tell about his own mentality and tennis skill? Its not like Sousa wins a lot against players who don't rely on 'no mistakes' mode. He was/is an avg player at best and its all he could do.

Djo didn't need to bring out his best to beat him. So a low stress ' no mistakes' match is all he would play and let Sousa dig his own grave. There was nothing Sousa could do to hurt him.

Fit or not.

by Tenez Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:45 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:The difference between Souza and Djoko? hardy any...Djoko more solid but less penetrating shots.....and mouvement of course.

Big differences start to show as the match reaches the business end of the set. And it gets further in how the next set starts and ends. The mentality in tennis makes big differences.
Did you see the match? Djoko turned into a no mistake mode at the business end of the match...and forced Sousa to make easy mistakes. As I mentioned earlier he even asked Sousa to wait for him to be ready to receive. That's why you see it as mental but the real reason is fitness. It's that fitness which gives the mental edge.

If Sousa can be forced into making easy mistakes, then what does that tell about his own mentality and tennis skill? Its not like Sousa wins a lot against players who don't rely on 'no mistakes' mode. He was/is an avg player at best and its all he could do.

Djo didn't need to bring out his best to beat him. So a low stress ' no mistakes' match is all he would play and let Sousa dig his own grave. There was nothing Sousa could do to hurt him.

Fit or not.

Very simply it tells you that Sousa knew that the longer the rally the less precise his shots will get had to take risk to shorten rallies.

Djoko was confident that he could outlast.

Frankly ROTLA, one fundamental of tennis is that the mental strain is on the one taking risk, not on the guy able to retrieve. I'd say this is generally true for any sport or anyone who takes risks in life.

by bogbrush Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:11 pm

Tenez wrote:Not easy for Fed. Nishi is reaching peak form again.

Nishikori is no threat to a top player playing well. Federer is not playing well, so Nishikori is a threat to him but for all the wrong reasons.

by Tenez Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:32 pm

bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not easy for Fed. Nishi is reaching peak form again.
Nishikori is no threat to a top player playing well. Federer is not playing well, so Nishikori is a threat to him but for all the wrong reasons.

Disagree very much. Nishi, a bit like Chung and Nalby in his time, are regularly injured, but Nishi was the only one who troubled Nadal and Djoko a few years ago. Had he not been injured, I am pretty sure he would have overtaken them.

by Tenez Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:38 pm

Glad Kasha lessoned Zverev.

by bogbrush Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:37 pm

Tenez wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not easy for Fed. Nishi is reaching peak form again.
Nishikori is no threat to a top player playing well. Federer is not playing well, so Nishikori is a threat to him but for all the wrong reasons.
Disagree very much. Nishi, a bit like Chung and Nalby in his time, are regularly injured, but Nishi was the only one who troubled Nadal and Djoko a few years ago. Had he not been injured, I am pretty sure he would have overtaken them.

I’m struggling to remember many times he’s actually beat a top guy when it mattered. Djokovic at the US is one. Others?

Edit: Just checked, it’s 6-31 vs the top 3. That’s terrible.

by bogbrush Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:46 pm

This is strong from Cilic.

by Jahu Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:30 pm

Was strong and then real Cilic showed up, master choker with a break on 3rd sets, fuks it up, moronnnn.

Fed average so far, shanking quite good.

by Jahu Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:34 pm

Btw that Djoko animal screem to his box that has preplexed Sky Sports was: Šumeće tablete = effervescent tablets, guess he forgot to take them whatever tablets he is on, can imagine how much he screems to them when not in public, prick.

by Jahu Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:58 pm

Fed awake, 6:4 first.

by Daniel Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:02 pm

Nishikori is useless - and Cilic is brainless - as I've repeated 100 times. If he had a brain, he'd be deadly. But Djok knows all he has to do is wait.

Edit: Just checked, it’s 6-31 vs the top 3. That’s terrible.

Facts don't matter to Tenez. Nishikori could be 50 and he'd still be saying Nishikori is the best on tour but just needs to reach peak. Laugh

Nishikori is a bottle job and another player who has zero variety. A poor man's djoko. No balls. No serve. No chance.

by Jahu Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:06 pm

Nishi sadly is the dissapointment of the decade, in same group as Dimi and a few fake new hopes we had last 7 years.

by Jahu Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:44 pm

Good quick win for Fed, hope tomorrow at this level too, and also Djoko at same level of today.

by Tenez Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:08 pm

Just watched the first set and good to see fed with a precise serving. It means his back and wrist are ok. He has the most precise serving when he is fit and this precision on serve is to me the best clue about his form. Having said that he can have up and down with sets, let alone matches.

Let's check the second set.

by Tenez Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:14 pm

bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not easy for Fed. Nishi is reaching peak form again.
Nishikori is no threat to a top player playing well. Federer is not playing well, so Nishikori is a threat to him but for all the wrong reasons.
Disagree very much. Nishi, a bit like Chung and Nalby in his time, are regularly injured, but Nishi was the only one who troubled Nadal and Djoko a few years ago. Had he not been injured, I am pretty sure he would have overtaken them.
I’m struggling to remember many times he’s actually beat a top guy when it mattered. Djokovic at the US is one. Others?

Edit: Just checked, it’s 6-31 vs the top 3. That’s terrible.

It's terrible but it is probably better than everybody else. And yes he did not win much against them but look at the score he made them look bad at times in spite of losing...like in that Madrid final v Nadal or Rome final v Djoko.

The game is there to beat those guys even if I agree he seems to falter once ahead.

by Tenez Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:25 am

Zverev had a shoulder injury which partly explains that one sided score.

by bogbrush Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:34 am

He’s talented but underpowered and too small in my opinion. Federer isn’t playing well right now but yesterday wasn’t really that close.

by Tenez Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:40 am

Nishi could do with a better serve for sure. He is coming back to form from injury so we will see.

Federer did not play badly actually. Some shanking but some amazing shots as well. His serve was good and that is a good sign. Now it does not mean that today he will be ok. 3rd match in a row....that's killing at this age.

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