In case you didn't realise, Britain doesnt have free speech.

ANyone followed the pug doing the Nazi salute story?
Naturally the left says the decision to put him in jail is right and many conservatives agree.

Guess that means I am a Jewish Nazi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqf1pr36OCg

Yup.  It's finally happening and has been for a long time.  Left wing fascism cloaked as good intentions is shutting down dissent.  Orwell was right.

Of course, you think allowing kids to vote is OK.  And it's one of the main causes of our shit system.

It's coming to the UK! We have had it in France for years. They jailed a very funny humorist who made jokes about chinese, black, French, arabs, africans etc...never had a problem. The day he made fun of Israeli's colons he was sacked by all TVs and they tried to ruin him. Now he is a big internet sensation and has 1000s of fans turning up to his shows all over France. But hated by the "establishment". He is labelled a racist in spite of being himself from black and white parents. It's a joke.

Now they are after Corbyn.

Daniel wrote:Yup.  It's finally happening and has been for a long time.  Left wing fascism cloaked as good intentions is shutting down dissent.  Orwell was right.

Of course, you think allowing kids to vote is OK.  And it's one of the main causes of our shit system.

Agree with your first sentence, not with the second. 

You never responded to the Isaac Newton (smartest man ever, did more than anyone ever did at 26) point because you didn't have a rebuttal.

You use an exception as large as Newton (who, btw, was born in a totally different era and time) to bolster your belief that the entirety of the masses should be allowed to vote before 30 (and in your case, as low as 16 ffs)?  

Yeah, gee... I wonder why that isn't the most stupid false equivalency I've ever read. Also, it's as much to do with life experience than raw knowledge or academic achievement—something that nearly always has to come with age.

A total fail. That's why I didn't respond the first time.... because your argument is an utter joke. Seriously, don't take that as an attack on you.  Just engage your brain and realize the obvious here.

It's laughable on the face of it.  If a large % of society were Newton, yeah.  But, guess what, they aren't even close.  Ever heard of the IQ bell curve?  Start there.    We're the country that made Lizzy Bardsley a star.

The reason the left in general want to let 16 year olds and criminals vote is because leftism is FUCKED IN THE HEAD.  Got it? 

Daniel wrote:You use an exception as large as Newton (who, btw, was born in a totally different era and time) to bolster your belief that the entirety of the masses should be allowed to vote before 30 (and in your case, as low as 16 ffs)?  

Yeah, gee... I wonder why that isn't the most stupid false equivalency I've ever read. Also, it's as much to do with life experience than raw knowledge or academic achievement—something that nearly always has to come with age.

A total fail. That's why I didn't respond the first time.... because your argument is an utter joke. Seriously, don't take that as an attack on you.  Just engage your brain and realize the obvious here.

It's laughable on the face of it.  If a large % of society were Newton, yeah.  But, guess what, they aren't even close.  Ever heard of the IQ bell curve?  Start there.    We're the country that made Lizzy Bardsley a star.

The reason the left in general want to let 16 year olds and criminals vote is because leftism is FUCKED IN THE HEAD.  Got it? 

Straw-manning again. Vintage Daniel. 
16? When have I ever said that. I think it should be 21. 
Sure he was an extreme example but that means you acknowledge that age is not necessarily an issue. Thanks for pointing out he lived in a different time  . Who knew?
I am not a leftist. I'm a centrist, probs. But my views on many things are evolving. 
Yes I have heard of that. Most of the population have IQ's between 85-115.

Look, it's this simple: You're using Newton as an example of why under 30s should vote.  It;s beyond idiotic.  More embarrassing is that you thought your argument was a game changer. 

luvsports! wrote:ANyone followed the pug doing the Nazi salute story?
Naturally the left says the decision to put him in jail is right and many conservatives agree.

Guess that means I am a Jewish Nazi!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqf1pr36OCg

If a man is free within himself, he will possess all other freedoms including the freedom of speech.

Of course, it costs, but it’s worth it.

Political correctness is a cancer and we know why it’s there.

These are new and difficult times and we can’t expect things to be like before.

However the same motto that Christ taught 2000 years ago aplies today:

Be wise as serpents and peaceful as doves.

Those who seek the truth always find it, I firmly believe in that.
The difficulty question is, why so few do?

Daniel wrote:Look, it's this simple: You're using Newton as an example of why under 30s should vote.  It;s beyond idiotic.  More embarrassing is that you thought your argument was a game changer. 

To be fair, I don't have confidence in voters 50+ let alone 30+

I'd love to believe that experience trumps intelligence, but rarely have I found many that learn from experience!

It's an average, not an absolute.  On average, a 30 year old is going to be wiser and a lot more savvy to life - not to mention usually academically brighter (post uni for ex) than a 16 year old.  That's not an opinion.  It's a fact.  It's interesting to note, as I already have, that leftists also generally push for criminals to vote too.  Socialism needs dumbos and useful idiots.  Captain Birdseye of Great Britain did it at the last election.  He promised all the school leavers free tuition, promised all the dole dossers more welfare, promised to play Robin Hood economics... and just look at how many utter naive fools fell for it.