ATP 500/250: Basel & Valencia

FedererKing wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Tenez wrote:Something wrong with Fed....his timing is really off. His mouvement is poor.

Yes, I noticed both, too.

It's called old age, I keep telling you   He's 34 now, not 24.  Inconsistency is a huge part of decline.

noleisthebest wrote:

FedererKing wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Tenez wrote:Something wrong with Fed....his timing is really off. His mouvement is poor.

Yes, I noticed both, too.

It's called old age, I keep telling you   He's 34 now, not 24.  Inconsistency is a huge part of decline.

Yes, noone here is saying people get younger with age.
Inconsistency in tennis comes from the of lack of talent and talent does not age.

Tenez wrote:Something wrong with Fed....his timing is really off. His mouvement is poor.

FedererKing wrote:
Hand eye coordination (and all body coordination) and reflex speed does.  So do a lot of things.

Autumnleaf wrote:

Tenez wrote:Something wrong with Fed....his timing is really off. His mouvement is poor.

He was apparently taped at the back, some have noticed during the serving motion. I haven't seen it personally and if so, hope, it's nothing serious. Certainly the serve was very much off yesterday.

Autumnleaf wrote:

Tenez wrote:Something wrong with Fed....his timing is really off. His mouvement is poor.

He was apparently taped at the back, some have noticed during the serving motion. I haven't seen it personally and if so, hope, it's nothing serious. Certainly the serve was very much off yesterday.

Tenez wrote:

legendkillar wrote:I don't think it's a case of not wanting to suspect Ten, I think it's more of a headache and ballache to digest the process (unless you are into doping/medicine advancements). I don't deny it's not in sport, just I don't want to argue what the facts and assumptions are. I come from a pharmaceutical and healthcare background and nothing disheartens me more when people make a lot of inaccurate claims about the side effects of drugs (not saying here on OTF) but on other forums and people in general. Just to try and unpick on so many levels how they are incorrect and explain the realities is a discussion I have had one too many times. In a way similar to your improvement discussion. I can't say I would've shown the same patience.
 
I just turn away tbh. I have seen much corruption, hate, cheating, lying just all manner of low morals by society. It doesn't do a lot to enlighten the soul. So what is the alternative? I literally immerse myself in nature and try and capture as much beauty in the world as possible. It's less depressing

I actually like to look at the dark sides of things. I actually believe it is the only way to free ourselves from it. If you ignore them, they come back stronger and more harmful. If people coudl see the dark side of the world, they would not feed those princes of darkness which are in effect ruling the world.

Not being too theoritical here, just look at your organisation for which you work.....the nastiest ones go top of the pyramid quicker than good guys.....in 95% of cases. In politics, same thing, politicians have to please the lobbies and not the people who elect them to have the media behind them and by this process it's the most rotten that get elected.

If people were more in touch with the dark forces they woudl not be fooled by them.

Look at the draw rigging case. I know you don;t believe in it but the point is the day this ESPN team highlighted the ridiculous high prob of draw rigging (made it conscious to the mass) then we started to have first seed have tougher draws and Nadal and Djoko finally being in the same draw in slams. If people were not rising concern about those ridiculous long rallies, the ITF would have been less reluctant to improve anti-doping, etc....

That's why we need to keep an eye constantly on the motives and ways of Cheating...at all levels.  

Tenez wrote:Regarding the draw, you might claim that the Djoko/Fed odds being in the same draw (1 in a 5000) be just a piece of luck.....you however cannot deny that the USO first seeds not having to play a top 33 to 64 for 10 years (a one in a million chance)...also a piece of luck....woudl you?
What I like about debts is that we borrow from institutions who have not got themselves that money. ...yes we are bound to give it back. How smart is that!

legendkillar wrote:
Sadly the dark side of things are a necessary evil, not one I agree with, but it exists everywhere. I know I have made decisions that haven't been the most ethical or morally correct, but the outcome was a greater good kind of thing and even though the end result benefitted more than what a more ethical or morally correct process, it was something that didn't sit entirely comfortable with me.

In relation to the draw rigging, it's more a case of chance. The outcome solely relies on the desired player/s coming through to the anticipated destiny. Just look at the AO14. I don't think anyone gave Stan a prayer and I am sure there were those who would've preferred a Nadal victory that day and it didn't happen! When we talk draw rigging, yes the big 4 in a sense are kept apart, but spanners in the works do occur.

Improvements cost money. In my current profession it is sad when everything is effected by it. We are so behind the curve because of this thing called money. I read somewhere last week that the accumulative world debt is £233 trillion!! Who owns that??

It's a mad world sadly.

Tenez wrote:yes I think Cilic will do it cause the shots are going to be too fast for nadal.

Tenez wrote:30/0 Nadal...but could have easily been 0/30.

Commentators saying rightly that rallies are shorter nowadays.

noleisthebest wrote:.....

Improving the trade-off between risk and rallying. About time!

noleisthebest wrote:Cilic has improved his BH.
Keeping a cool head and playing within himself.
No panic.

Tenez wrote:Something very wrong actually......I have been watching the second and now 3rd set and clearly his back is playing up.

noleisthebest wrote:

Autumnleaf wrote:

Tenez wrote:Something wrong with Fed....his timing is really off. His mouvement is poor.

He was apparently taped at the back, some have noticed during the serving motion. I haven't seen it personally and if so, hope, it's nothing serious. Certainly the serve was very much off yesterday.

Let's hope not.

We need's Truffin's Fed following brigade updates!

Truffin, where are you?

truffin1 wrote:
You called?

I went through the fan threads.  Fed had a sore neck - they say it's the "slept in a bad position" kind and was affecting his serve.  I went through the Kohl match and you can see fed grabbing at and massaging his neck several times.    No one mentions back so hopefully it's just a neck strain.  He seemed okay once warmed up today.


Okay- changing my tune- reports now being posted on today's match thread that fed has indeed tweaked his back.  Couple of real insiders says its flared up.

Typical of Feds luck when nadal finally is ready to show up and play him.

truffin1 wrote:...
Typical of Feds luck when nadal finally is ready to show up and play him.

Tenez wrote:really? Radwanska is not powerful but place the ball very well. I quite like her tennis.

That's what I call real ladies tennis....less bashing more placing the ball. However against someone who hammers teh ball...of course she is going to retrieve.