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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:47 am

The draw is out:



http://www.protennislive.com/posting/2017/328/mds.pdf

Lots of talent in the draw, there should be some good tennis this week.

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by bogbrush on Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:54 pm

Was Nadal planning to play here?

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by naxroy on Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:52 pm

he was but decided not to go last week

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Tenez on Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:55 pm

500 are the worst tournaments. 5 matches in a 7 days for half the points of TMS.

It's wrong!

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by mcekovic on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:10 pm

Basel Forecast:
Federer is overwhelming favorite, even by numbers:

1 SUI Roger Federer          56.2%
2 ARG Juan Martin Del Potro  11.8%
3 CRO Marin Cilic             8.6%
4 BEL David Goffin            6.5%
5 ESP Roberto Bautista Agut   3.4%

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Jahu on Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:28 pm

Delpo will be tired from Stock I think, shame Dimi cant pull his balls wtf.

Vienna pretty good with Zverev/Thiem 1 and 2.

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Post by mcekovic on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:18 pm

Jahu wrote:Vienna pretty good with Zverev/Thiem 1 and 2.
Thiem may be seeded No 2 @ Vienna, but he is far from being the second favorite (as he can't play on HC):
Here is the current forecast:

1-st Fav. GER Alexander Zverev 20.0%
2-nd Fav. FRA Jo Wilfried Tsonga 12.0%
3-rd Fav. RSA Kevin Anderson 10.0%
4-th Fav. USA Sam Querrey 7.6%

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Jahu on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:19 pm

Who is forecasting these?

Thiem can beat any of them on home turf.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:38 pm

Shapo is so good!
Can’t decide what’s better: his FH or his BH.

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Post by Jahu on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:44 pm

nitb

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Post by mcekovic on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:32 pm

Jahu wrote:Who is forecasting these?

Thiem can beat any of them on home turf.

But it is not turf, it is cement smiley
Joke aside, Thiem is rare player with huuuge difference in winning pcts on different surfaces:
Overall 61.3% (166-105)
Hard 52.9% (72-64)
Clay 73.0% (81-30)
Grass 54.2% (13-11)

Thiem results on hard in 2017 (no one past QF):
Shanghai Masters R32
Tokyo R32
Chengdu R16
US Open R16
Cincinnati Masters QF
Canada Masters R32
Washington R16
Miami Masters R64
Indian Wells Masters QF
Acapulco QF
Rotterdam QF
Sofia R16
Australian Open R16
Sydney QF
Brisbane QF

About forecasts, you can find it on my site, Ultimate Tennis Statistics.


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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Jahu on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:33 pm

Maybe "beton & malter" works good too, nitb knows better  Big Grin

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Tenez on Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:58 pm

mcekovic wrote:
Jahu wrote:Who is forecasting these?

Thiem can beat any of them on home turf.

But it is not turf, it is cement smiley
Joke aside, Thiem is rare player with huuuge difference in winning pcts on different surfaces:
Overall 61.3% (166-105)
Hard 52.9% (72-64)
Clay 73.0% (81-30)
Grass 54.2% (13-11)

Thiem results on hard in 2017 (no one past QF).
Good observation. I am not surprised he did better on grass than HC since grass was slower...that first week.

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Post by Jahu on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:00 pm

Thanks for the stats, I think he burned himself last year too playing too much, lets see how much he got in the tank for year end.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:19 am

Jahu wrote:Thanks for the stats, I think he burned himself last year too playing too much, lets see how much he got in the tank for year end.

Burnout is not his problem, not the biggest one. He is just not comfortable with his game on Hard courts.

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by bogbrush on Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:10 pm

Good start for Fed delivering a serious beat down to the guy who took two sets off him at the USO.

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Jahu on Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:12 pm

Good startup match for Fed.

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:40 pm

Yes I saw it and Fed could even have won that first set 60. 1h for 2 sets that's good. If he walks to the final he might even play Paris. Way to go though,.

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Post by bogbrush on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:59 am

If he wins this he'll play Paris, especially so if there's a sniff of problems for Nadal.

This is it for #1, it's now or never.

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by bogbrush on Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:39 pm

Shapovalov v Federer on the cards. Time for the bright young thing to experience the power of the GOAT?

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by DECIMA on Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:49 pm

He's 36 now, wouldn't really call him a 'bright young thing'.

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Post by bogbrush on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:56 pm

True, though he’s playing like one!

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by Daniel on Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:20 am

He can win basel and make final of Paris (assuming Nadal goes out early)... but that will set him a larger task for the finals.  Mathematically, it would still be very possible.  But as of now, I think Fed's chances are slim. But he still has a shot at it.

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:20 am

I have only seen highlights of Federer’s matches this week.
He is playing brilliantly.

His time spent with the larger frame is paying dividends finally...like a snowball effect.

Basel conditions are also suiting him and the fact he is facing decent players, not energy suckers.

His fitness, footspeed, agility look amazing.

Recently, I have paricularly enjoyed his BH stop volleys.
How he tames those fast groundstrokes and drops/cuts the ball dead within a metre of the net...

He is so happy in Basel.

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by luvsports! on Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:35 pm

He's npt happy atm. A set down to Mannarino.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:37 pm

I was just enjoying how freely and super relaxed he was playing...but Manna is a crafty, great player, light on his feet and quick hands...Federer got himself into a Donskoy moment.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:24 pm

Phew! Big hold for Feds.
Real battle/

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:40 pm

Winner!

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Re: Basel 2017

Post by summerblues on Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:20 am

Very hard for Fed to reach #1 this year. I think his best chance would be next year during the clay court season - but he would still need to play well between now and then, and hope that Rafa's form is off next spring. Given that Fed is 36 and Rafa "only" 31, I do not know how likely that is.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:21 am

Finally will be watching some tennis tomorrow. I do not think I have seen any since the USO.

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Post by bogbrush on Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:25 am

Federer will not be playing clay next year. His clay career is done.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:05 pm

But he might not have to. He would need to (a) play well from now through Miami (maybe not as well as this year, but still quite well) and (b) hope that Rafa's spring, including clay, looks more like 2015 or 2016 than 2017.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:27 pm

I'd expect Fed to enter FO at the least.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:02 pm

Cilic waking up, gets the break back in third, 3:3.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:03 pm

Fed was complacent last night, a few games rushing for no reason, a little nervous and shouting, that Manarino is a pure robotic sore.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:25 pm

Some of the words being used for Fed play:

- Ridiculous
- My goodness
- Amazing
- Can you believe it

Is Fed on drugs?  Laugh

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Post by bogbrush on Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:49 pm

Well maybe there really is a deity. That was God Mode tennis.

Incredible.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:54 pm

I missed the first set. Fed was in total control in the second. I did not think he played absolutely fantastic but whenever he needed to, he easily stepped it up.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:28 pm

Just saw the highlights...that was pure thrill. A sublime thrill.




The FH looks...I don’t know how to describe it...it’s heart-stopping.

A few minutes after seeing the clip and typing this I am still recovering!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:42 am

A very decent final today.

Federer said he looks forward to playing a fit and healthy (maybe a little tired) Delpo.

Again, another fascet of him as a tough player (this time outside the court), so cunning and sharp...I just wish he was that brave when it came to Nadal.
(had to say it!)

“I'm ready for a difficult match and a fully fit del Potro ( Winking ) He played a great match against me in Shanghai and went on to win Stockholm and won that.
Now he's here in the final again. I think he's ok. He might be tired, but he doesn't have issues that would keep him away from the court."


But I’ll be watching it only if it rains at 2pm. Playing the game still takes prescedence over watching it! tennisball

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:25 am

I just read that Delpo beat Federer TWICE in Basel finals.
(ooo-la-laaaa!)

(And that if he wins today he overtakes Busta in the race.)

And being the crafty Argie, he doesn’t hold back in his pre-match “talk” either!

"For me it's going to be a great challenge and also a great pleasure to play against Roger again in his hometown. It will be a great atmosphere, and I will enjoy it a lot."


All in al, this promises to be one really good match!
I wonder if they were aware of who said what, and of so, who started “it”?

Or maybe I am reading too much into it all? 

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:46 am

Fed in 2 today, no fucking around.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:16 pm

Jahu wrote:Fed in 2 today, no fucking around.
Fed struggled to return Delpo’s serve in Shanghai.
I don’t expect a demolition.


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Post by summerblues on Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:14 pm

I still cannot believe how well Delpo has been doing without BH. I think Fed should win very easily but somehow he has needed three sets the last time they played, so who knows.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:20 pm

Mhmm. I did not expect this. Delpo is a tough cookie. Without his injuries, he could have won so much.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:53 pm

Come on Rogeeeeeerrrr!  diva

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:57 pm

summerblues wrote:Mhmm.  I did not expect this.  Delpo is a tough cookie.  Without his injuries, he could have won so much.
I think Delpo rattles Federer with his subtle gamesmanship.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:01 pm

Delpo is now hitting through many more of his BHs. Some of them with quite serious pace. If his wrists are good enough to handle it, he could win some big things next year.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:02 pm

I saw the first three games and the TB.
Fed very nervous, no first serve, no FHDTL which were the trademark all week.

Not sure why.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:05 pm

summerblues wrote:Delpo is now hitting through many more of his BHs.  Some of them with quite serious pace.  If his wrists are good enough to handle it, he could win some big things next year.
From what I saw he is just pushing them back into play -short, slow and very put-away-able by Fed...except he is not putting them away.
Imeven thought he was tanking...

But Fed breaks and wins the second set!

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