Armstrong might lose all his titles!

@ Laverfan...here I found it...:

Clinical studies show no compelling evidence that salbutamol and other β2-agonists can increase performance in healthy athletes.[8] In spite of this, salbutamol required "a declaration of Use in accordance with the International Standard for Therapeutic Use Exemptions" under the 2010 WADA prohibited list. This requirement was relaxed when the 2011 list was published to permit the use of "salbutamol (maximum 1600 micrograms over 24 hours) and salmeterol when taken by inhalation in accordance with the manufacturers’ recommended therapeutic regime." [9] [10]
According to two small and limited studies, performed on 8 and 16 subjects, respectively, salbutamol increases the performance even for a person without asthma.[11][12][13]

Veejay wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:What's a "ponzy scheme" ?

A fake money making scandal/product that doesn't really work?

you mean all those magic hair-growth formulas

noleisthebest wrote:

Veejay wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:What's a "ponzy scheme" ?

A fake money making scandal/product that doesn't really work?

you mean all those magic hair-growth formulas

Precisely...I even think the tooth paste I use is a ponzy scheme...my teeth aren't any whiter 2 weeks later!!!!
I even complained but then they told me I didn't read the small print!!

Veejay wrote:

Precisely...I even think the tooth paste I use is a ponzy scheme...my teeth aren't any whiter 2 weeks later!!!!
I even complained but then they told me I didn't read the small print!!

And when you did, you realised your teeth had to be super-white in order fro the tooth-paste to work

Just lke in those shaving gel ads, where a bloke shaves the already shaved face

noleisthebest wrote:

Veejay wrote:

Precisely...I even think the tooth paste I use is a ponzy scheme...my teeth aren't any whiter 2 weeks later!!!!
I even complained but then they told me I didn't read the small print!!

And when you did, you realised your teeth had to be super-white in order fro the tooth-paste to work

Just lke in those shaving gel ads, where a bloke shaves the already shaved face

To be fair Gillette does shave incredibly close..they are hands down the best razors and Im not just saying that cause Roger endorses it

Veejay wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Veejay wrote:

Precisely...I even think the tooth paste I use is a ponzy scheme...my teeth aren't any whiter 2 weeks later!!!!
I even complained but then they told me I didn't read the small print!!

And when you did, you realised your teeth had to be super-white in order fro the tooth-paste to work

Just lke in those shaving gel ads, where a bloke shaves the already shaved face

To be fair Gillette does shave incredibly close..they are hands down the best razors and Im not just saying that cause Roger endorses it

I'll take your word for it

Armstrong to toothpaste ads. WOW

A statement at www.itftennis.com read: 'The ITF accepted Mr Kendrick’s account of the circumstances surrounding his ingestion of methylhexaneamine, and accepted that he did not intend to enhance his performance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2020445/Robert-Kendrick-banned-taking-jetlag-tablet.html

Veejay wrote:According to two small and limited studies, performed on 8 and 16 subjects, respectively, salbutamol increases the performance even for a person without asthma.

Regarding Salbutamol, as you indicate, there is a specific dosage which is allowed. An 8- and 16-subject study is of very limited value.

Were these subjects athletes or sedentary workers? I would be curious about the actual study, if you can provide a link.

Tenez wrote:

SR wrote:Fall of a Sports Icon:

My Life With Lance Armstrong by Mike Anderson

“I was Lance’s personal assistant for two years, during
the height of his racing career. Do I think he cheated? Yep. But my real
problem is something that diehard fans seem unable to grasp: the vengeful
tactics he uses against people who tell the truth about him, on and off the
bike.”
11 pages to follow here:

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/biking/road-biking/My-Life-With-Lance-Armstrong.html?page=1

PS: But the ex-American role model has still not been legally proven guilty by the Court, right?

That is what in my view got him into trouble cause most of the racers and past champions are still supporting him so it's strange to have 10 or 12 former team mates ready to testify against him. Must have been a bad atmosphere in the team.

I see. I don't know his background well. Seems to me he's an all-round loser trying to outsmart his true destiny in vain. In the big picture one will ultimately get into trouble for grabbing what don't belong to him/her, regardless.

Tenez wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Tenez wrote:

It will be like a freak show,every match could cary on for longer then the AO final this year,I mean the Isner/Mahut match wouldn't be unusual..

I think the AO final had almost everything a tennis could have and answers NITB question. Steroids, EPO, clenbuterol even...anything can help. Even small doses of meth would help a lot.

Do you mean Nole was on all that?

Not on all that but most likely on something.

Such as?

SR wrote:

Tenez wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Tenez wrote:

It will be like a freak show,every match could cary on for longer then the AO final this year,I mean the Isner/Mahut match wouldn't be unusual..

I think the AO final had almost everything a tennis could have and answers NITB question. Steroids, EPO, clenbuterol even...anything can help. Even small doses of meth would help a lot.

Do you mean Nole was on all that?

Not on all that but most likely on something.

Such as?

Whatever it is, its definitely gluten-free

laverfan wrote:A statement at www.itftennis.com read: 'The ITF accepted Mr Kendrick’s account of the circumstances surrounding his ingestion of methylhexaneamine, and accepted that he did not intend to enhance his performance.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2020445/Robert-Kendrick-banned-taking-jetlag-tablet.html

Veejay wrote:According to two small and limited studies, performed on 8 and 16 subjects, respectively, salbutamol increases the performance even for a person without asthma.

Regarding Salbutamol, as you indicate, there is a specific dosage which is allowed. An 8- and 16-subject study is of very limited value.

Were these subjects athletes or sedentary workers? I would be curious about the actual study, if you can provide a link.

Unfortunately the link doesn't say if the guinea pigs were athletes or normal people,Im assuming they used athletes as the point of the experiment was to determine if Salbutamol was performance enhancing or not.I would actually like to know myself too

I was just reading through a little bit about methylhexaneamine,I thought the studies for that drug was inconclusive too ( cause someone told me) but I cant see anything that supports that

Veejay wrote:I was just reading through a little bit about methylhexaneamine,I thought the studies for that drug was inconclusive too ( cause someone told me) but I cant see anything that supports that

It is considered very common amongst weightlifters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylhexanamine

laverfan wrote:

Veejay wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:OMG people will be saying the earth is flat next. I want some of that stuff you're smokin.

Its pretty flat where I am....

Please do not fall off the edge, VeeJay.

Just been tickled by what the commentators were saying...
The Americans have put a man on the moon and a car on Mars,but yet they havent discovers covers for the courts at Flushing Meadows!

USO are the most stupid organisers, they can probably learn a thing or few from London

Arthur Ashe is built on a landfill and cannot support the weight of a roof in it's current shape.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/tennis/story/2012-08-27/us-open-usta-says-there-will-be-a-roof-someday/57332858/1

Perhaps they can play USO at MSG, where Nadal is playing an exho with Del Potro.

Armstrong banned from running U.S marathon!!


LANCE Armstrong's lifetime ban by the US Anti-Doping Agency will keep him from running next month's Chicago Marathon.

Marathon officials said on Friday that Armstrong never formally registered for the October 7 race. But he was considering running with Livestrong's charity team, runners who do the marathon as a fundraiser for the Lance Armstrong Foundation.

Preventing Armstrong from running with them is "frustrating and unfortunate," foundation president and CEO Doug Ulman said, and possibly could harm the group's fundraising efforts.

The marathon is sanctioned by USA Track and Field, and Armstrong's ban prevents him from entering any events organised, authorised or sanctioned by federations that follow the World Anti-Doping Agency's rules. Ironman France barred Armstrong for similar reasons after USADA filed doping charges against him in June.


"The code is very clear regarding the ineligibility of sanctioned athletes to compete in other sports," USATF spokeswoman Jill Geer said in an email.

"USATF is a signatory to the WADA code, and we confirmed with the US Anti-Doping Agency that Mr Armstrong's ban extends to track and field, road running and all of our sport's disciplines."

USATF sanctioning is important for the race beyond increasing its prestige. It guarantees that race results are formally recognised around the world, including records.

Armstrong has long denied doping, but chose last month not to fight the USADA charges. USADA wiped out 14 years of his results - including his record seven Tour de France titles - and barred him for life after concluding he used banned substances.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/lance-armstrong-banned-from-competing-in-chicago-marathon/story-fnd134gw-1226468247057

Veejay wrote:Armstrong banned from running U.S marathon!!


LANCE Armstrong's lifetime ban by the US Anti-Doping Agency will keep him from running next month's Chicago Marathon.

Marathon officials said on Friday that Armstrong never formally registered for the October 7 race. But he was considering running with Livestrong's charity team, runners who do the marathon as a fundraiser for the Lance Armstrong Foundation.

Preventing Armstrong from running with them is "frustrating and unfortunate," foundation president and CEO Doug Ulman said, and possibly could harm the group's fundraising efforts.

The marathon is sanctioned by USA Track and Field, and Armstrong's ban prevents him from entering any events organised, authorised or sanctioned by federations that follow the World Anti-Doping Agency's rules. Ironman France barred Armstrong for similar reasons after USADA filed doping charges against him in June.


"The code is very clear regarding the ineligibility of sanctioned athletes to compete in other sports," USATF spokeswoman Jill Geer said in an email.

"USATF is a signatory to the WADA code, and we confirmed with the US Anti-Doping Agency that Mr Armstrong's ban extends to track and field, road running and all of our sport's disciplines."

USATF sanctioning is important for the race beyond increasing its prestige. It guarantees that race results are formally recognised around the world, including records.

Armstrong has long denied doping, but chose last month not to fight the USADA charges. USADA wiped out 14 years of his results - including his record seven Tour de France titles - and barred him for life after concluding he used banned substances.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/lance-armstrong-banned-from-competing-in-chicago-marathon/story-fnd134gw-1226468247057

Amazing!
I wonder why they've come on him like a ton of bricks and letting everyone else who they have been covering up for years off the hook...something fishy there

Good point NITB,its quite a scandal and Armstrong seems to be the scape goat.But its not like he doesnt deserve everything thats been coming his way either

Yes...but I think he has generated lots of hatred by threatening to sue everybody for years. He is just just reaping what he sowed.

Tenez wrote:Yes...but I think he has generated lots of hatred by threatening to sue everybody for years. He is just just reaping what he sowed.

Tenez wrote:Yes...but I think he has generated lots of hatred by threatening to sue everybody for years. He is just just reaping what he sowed.

... and such everybodies have turned State's witness and been offered immunity. The State is protecting it's assets.

Tyler Hamilton says Lance Armstrong gave him an illegal blood booster before the 1999 Tour de France and that the teammates took blood transfusions together during the cycling race the following year.

Is Tyler Hamilton a toddler who can be fed an intravenous feed without knowing what he is doing? So the state has chosen to bargain with the dopers that it is accusing of using the dope? Collusion amongst thieves?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/31/tyler-hamilton-book-lance-armstrong-doping_n_1845982.html (unverified and unreliable internet. read at your own risk).

If they all used it, just because LA has the titles, he can be stripped and banned? What about TH, FL and many others? Where are they, writing a book and spilling their guts to make money of a doping crime. Why is TH's book not banned since he is benefitting from doping? The state has all the information it needs, who needs a book?

This is a travesty. I would put the entire team behind the bars for life, including LA, TH, FL, Vinko, JU, Valverde, et al..

laverfan wrote:
... and such everybodies have turned State's witness and been offered immunity. The State is protecting it's assets.

Do you have any evidence to show that they have been offered IMMUNITY? Now don't twist the context of the word. And yes I do have evidence to show they have NOT been given any immunity. A reduced punishment, but that's not immunity. State is not protecting its assets, its trying to catch ALL who have been involved. Trying not to catch others will be protecting its assets. Get the difference.

laverfan wrote:
Is Tyler Hamilton a toddler who can be fed an intravenous feed without knowing what he is doing? So the state has chosen to bargain with the dopers that it is accusing of using the dope? Collusion amongst thieves?

Who said Tylor hamilton is toddler? Who said he was innocent and without his knowledge he was given a dope? Nothing wrong here in trying to catch all thieves.

laverfan wrote:
If they all used it, just because LA has the titles, he can be stripped and banned? What about TH, FL and many others?

Get your facts right LF. Its not only LA who has any titles. TH, FL too have their's and they have all been taken away.

laverfan wrote:Where are they, writing a book and spilling their guts to make money of a doping crime. Why is TH's book not banned since he is benefitting from doping? The state has all the information it needs, who needs a book?

TH is not benefiting from doping, not now. Its not a book about Doping. Its about his side of the story. If people want to buy it, its their wish. He is not forcing anything on anyone or winning a competition by writing this book.

The book is not for the state. State may have the evidences or information, but people don't. If people feel they should know more about TH side of the story, they can read the book.

laverfan wrote:This is a travesty. I would put the entire team behind the bars for life, including LA, TH, FL, Vinko, JU, Valverde, et al..

Doping to win a tournament doesn't fall in any category of offense of a criminal nature. You can be stripped of your titles, prize money, but can't be put behind bars. Marion Jones served her sentence for perjury, not doping.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

laverfan wrote:
... and such everybodies have turned State's witness and been offered immunity. The State is protecting it's assets.

Do you have any evidence to show that they have been offered IMMUNITY? Now don't twist the context of the word. And yes I do have evidence to show they have NOT been given any immunity. A reduced punishment, but that's not immunity. State is not protecting its assets, its trying to catch ALL who have been involved. Trying not to catch others will be protecting its assets. Get the difference.

Tyler Hamilton was caught in 2005. In 2009 he was given an 8 year suspension. Landis has a 2-year suspension. Hincapie does not even appear in this list. Why do you think that is the case?

http://www.usada.org/sanctions/

(Surprising, there are 81 cycling offences in this list, perhaps the highest in number).

Found this fascinating...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nTTGGnw8ak

There are so many skeletons in the Cycling closet.

This reminds me of three burglars showing up at a bank with guns and masks. One goes up to the cashier and demands money, on refusal shoots the teller in the shoulder. Another burglar, just threatens another teller. The third is standing guarding the door. All three are caught five years later.

The shooting burglar - lifetime with no chance of parole
The threatening burglar - 15 years, parole hearing after 5 years
The door-guarding burglar - 5 years, parole after 3, writing a book on the incident, and millions in movie rights.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

laverfan wrote:
Is Tyler Hamilton a toddler who can be fed an intravenous feed without knowing what he is doing? So the state has chosen to bargain with the dopers that it is accusing of using the dope? Collusion amongst thieves?

Who said Tylor hamilton is toddler? Who said he was innocent and without his knowledge he was given a dope? Nothing wrong here in trying to catch all thieves.

I assume that the punishments are commensurate. TH was caught in 2005/2009. IMVHO, he should have been given the same lifetime ban as LA, after the second offence. Does that in anyway address the LA case? No it does not.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

laverfan wrote:
If they all used it, just because LA has the titles, he can be stripped and banned? What about TH, FL and many others?

Get your facts right LF. Its not only LA who has any titles. TH, FL too have their's and they have all been taken away.

Hincapie?

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

laverfan wrote:Where are they, writing a book and spilling their guts to make money of a doping crime. Why is TH's book not banned since he is benefitting from doping? The state has all the information it needs, who needs a book?

TH is not benefiting from doping, not now. Its not a book about Doping. Its about his side of the story. If people want to buy it, its their wish. He is not forcing anything on anyone or winning a competition by writing this book.

The book is not for the state. State may have the evidences or information, but people don't. If people feel they should know more about TH side of the story, they can read the book.

The book may not sell even a single copy. That is irrelevant. The question is the publisher's contract worth millions.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

laverfan wrote:This is a travesty. I would put the entire team behind the bars for life, including LA, TH, FL, Vinko, JU, Valverde, et al..

Doping to win a tournament doesn't fall in any category of offense of a criminal nature. You can be stripped of your titles, prize money, but can't be put behind bars. Marion Jones served her sentence for perjury, not doping.

The current laws are structured that way. It is always a dilemma, to punish punitively, or show leniency.

Today Nike announced that its breaking all its ties with Lance Armstrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19978608

Nike, which added that it was "misled" by the American for more than a decade . This is funny.

But just few days back they were all backing him up with all their support.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/11/lance-armstrong-case-nike-support

This clearly shows the integrity of multinational companies like Nike. All they care about is money and nothing else. When LA was bringing them their $$$ they were all supporting him. Now when he is left with nothing, they are dropping him like a dead fly.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:This clearly shows the integrity of multinational companies like Nike. All they care about is money and nothing else. When LA was bringing them their $$$ they were all supporting him. Now when he is left with nothing, they are dropping him like a dead fly.

I think sponsors like Nike are even worse. They could actually bribe the sport organisations to silence positive tests. It's no surprise that during the 3 years of Adam Helfant ATP reign, previously VP of Marketing at Nike, the number of out of competition tests and budget for anti-doping was reduced despite an 80% increase in renevue!!!

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:This clearly shows the integrity of multinational companies like Nike. All they care about is money and nothing else. When LA was bringing them their $$$ they were all supporting him. Now when he is left with nothing, they are dropping him like a dead fly.

Nike would do the same if Federer or Nadal were found doping.

PS: How many posters invest in financial markets here?

ye i dabble in them now and again when i have nothing else to do.

Would like to find out how many posters here are employed by multi-nationals, or have investments in financial vehicles which may eventually end up supporting companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, Wilson, Head, Babolat, UniqLo, etc.

Not me! I used to be employed by a very big sw company: Oracle. Only through acquisition though. Could not stand it. They are like dinosaurs. Hopefully they will go instinct soon too.

laverfan wrote:Would like to find out how many posters here are employed by multi-nationals, or have investments in financial vehicles which may eventually end up supporting companies like Nike, Reebok, Adidas, Wilson, Head, Babolat, UniqLo, etc.

OH, don't go down that route, please....it's mind degrading....don't forget, we are discussing doping here.

Although I am not employed by any of them, I don't begrudge or envy their success, they were all once one man starter companies, that's capitalism for you, and as far as I can see you live in the States, so if it's that bad, you can always opt to move to Papua New Guinea and enjoy freedom from money and all the burden it crushes conscience with....

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:This clearly shows the integrity of multinational companies like Nike. All they care about is money and nothing else. When LA was bringing them their $$$ they were all supporting him. Now when he is left with nothing, they are dropping him like a dead fly.

Responsibility to share holders for a publicly-held company.

Tenez wrote:They are like dinosaurs. Hopefully they will go instinct soon too.

In the seventies and eighties, when O was in it's infancy, Ellison used to travel as part of the Team and used to meet clients. I recall several meetings with ELXSI executives where he was present.

noleisthebest wrote:I don't begrudge or envy their success, they were all once one man starter companies, that's capitalism for you...

Capitalism, with social responsibility. Otherwise you have Bernie Madoffs, Raj Rajratanams, Bernie Ebbers, and many others.

noleisthebest wrote:you can always opt to move to Papua New Guinea and enjoy freedom from money and all the burden it crushes conscience with....

I do not have issues with money. PNG is still on this planet.

It is unnecessary to berate corporations, because they exist to fulfill the needs of people, otherwise they would go out of business and some do. If Nike did not dissociate itself from LA, the public backlash would have probably caused it to fail.

BP's one mistake, or Exxon's, caused them to pay for it.

LA is now finished. UCI as expected agreed to USADA's decision to strip LA of all his tiltles including the 7 TDF. http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/story/lance-armstrong-uci-cycling-governing-body-agrees-to-strip-titles-lifetime-ban-102212

They saved themselves and left LA to burn alone. Well. thats how it was going to be.

laverfan wrote:It is unnecessary to berate corporations, because they exist to fulfill the needs of people

Originally maybe but like everything that grows too big, it forgets its original goal(s) and becomes like a cancer out of control at the mercy of money and power.

And here we have another dope tainted rider Alberto Contador managing his way out by making a settlement with UCI.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2012/12/13/alberto-contador-uci-settle-request-for-fine/1767013/

UCI is such a corrupt body, they are now not even making any attempts to keep it all hidden. Looks like its all in a day's work for them.

Strange how a sport has completely become a marketing gimmick. I was losing all interesting on cycling but the way its run now, I rather watch wrestlers in WWF. At least they are honest about their show.

Yes, it's pretty depressing and disheartening how money is ruining sport (and music & film).
I just hope this Fuentes case doesn't turn out to be a complete flop, but am not holding my breath.
Spaniards have long been protected by certain political organisations in the shadows, which is why some people have been untouchable.

Not so long ago it seemed absurd to fight against professional sport in favour of amateur sport.

Nowadays we clearly see the extend of teh damage professional sport has done to what should have been healthy activities enjoyable to athletes and spectators.

I don't think there is one aspect that really can be saved nowadays. Talent has been replaced by power and doping, draws can be rigged, atheltes admit that sport at high level is not healthy and we know above all that athletes are not treated teh same which basically defeats the purpose of sport, and finally - probably most importantly - performances nowadays are completely out of reach of non professional athletes and we cannot relate in anyway to what those athletes achieve which was not the case in amateur sport.

We can now understand why some who probably had a better understanding of human nature were fighting against professional sport then.

crazy aussie met lance!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnx9mNpJllg

luvsports! wrote:crazy aussie met lance!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnx9mNpJllg

Oh I was expecting some tough questions and jeering, like fans did to Contador....Aussie was starstruck instead...

such a good liar. http://www.newstalk.ie/reader/47.302.351/2852/0/

and yuvraj still sees him as a hero http://zeenews.india.com/sports/cricket/india-vs-pakistan-2012/lance-armstrong-will-always-be-my-hero-yuvraj-singh_754389.html …

luvsports! wrote:such a good liar. http://www.newstalk.ie/reader/47.302.351/2852/0/

That guy really makes you sick!
Just like the entire US olympic team from the 80s.

luvsports! wrote:such a good liar. [url=http://www.newstalk.ie/reader/47.302.351/2852/0/

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It"s an interesting watch in hindsight, as Amrstrong comes across as convincing in his claim that he hadn"t, and wouldn"t, dope.

Not a good liar by my standards I am afraod. No better than Bush or some of those tennis players. Only fans woudl fall for that kind of speech.

well millions around the world were fans of his so he is a good liar as he fooled so many, including many involved in the sport cough liggett cough climb out cough

Rumors floating around that LA might confess to doping in hope that this could perhaps allow him to compete in triathlons and running.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/lance-armstrong-may-admit-to-doping-report/314044-5-23.html

Will he have the courage to tell it all? Everything? I don't think so. Even if he confesses he will try to pose as a 'victim' of the system and everyone else. He will throw cheap slanders on everyone and try to gain sympathy points.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Rumors floating around that LA might confess to doping in hope that this could perhaps allow him to compete in triathlons and running.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/lance-armstrong-may-admit-to-doping-report/314044-5-23.html

Will he have the courage to tell it all? Everything? I don't think so. Even if he confesses he will try to pose as a 'victim' of the system and everyone else. He will throw cheap slanders on everyone and try to gain sympathy points.

I find it staggering he can't man up and tell the truth....How much can one love himself...

if he does confess he could go to jail for perjury!
if he does i hope its a reveal all one that implicates everyone but i doubt it

They should spare him jail if he agrees to talk. Like they waived the suspension for Odesnik.

you cannot compare LA and odesnik! (except taking drugs obvs)

noleisthebest wrote:
I find it staggering he can't man up and tell the truth....How much can one love himself...

I think his stubborness is more down to the contracts he still has and the money he may lose because of it than his ego.