World Tour Finals 2017

bogbrush wrote:Grinnn’ Greg loses control of his mouth again.

Tenez wrote:It has turned my world upside down. Like BB I have lost faith now!

summerblues wrote:What a choker that Goffin is.  I cannot believe he managed to win the match:

Serving for the first set - DFs and what not, gets broken.
Serving for the match - gets broken again (was there a DF there too?).
4 MPs, three of them from 0-40 - fails to convert any of them.

After the second set, I was sure Rafa would win.

summerblues wrote:So Rafa is done for the season.  Now, of course, Fed will win WTF without losing a match and end up 140 points short of No 1.

Ha Ha Ha.  How very funny.

summerblues wrote:What a choker that Goffin is.  I cannot believe he managed to win the match:

Serving for the first set - DFs and what not, gets broken.
Serving for the match - gets broken again (was there a DF there too?).
4 MPs, three of them from 0-40 - fails to convert any of them.

After the second set, I was sure Rafa would win.

noleisthebest wrote:.....
And that is so weird, because low bouncing tennis is the  real, natural tennis, it’s how it’s meant to be played and much easier than high bouncing which is so artificial...like running backwards.

Tenez wrote:

Yep.....Had Pouille converted his MPs in Japan...It's takes hardly anything. Federer has been robbed of Yend number 1...a few times.

bogbrush wrote:Surely time Nadal declares how injured* he is and pulls out?


* while not taking any credit away from his opponent of course

summerblues wrote:What a choker that Goffin is.  I cannot believe he managed to win the match:

Serving for the first set - DFs and what not, gets broken.
Serving for the match - gets broken again (was there a DF there too?).
4 MPs, three of them from 0-40 - fails to convert any of them.

After the second set, I was sure Rafa would win.

luvsports! wrote:Zverev breaks back. Seems like a v close match.

barrystar wrote:

Tenez wrote:

Yep.....Had Pouille converted his MPs in Japan...It's takes hardly anything. Federer has been robbed of Yend number 1...a few times.

There are always going to be ifs buts and maybes in close years, but I ask you to say when Federer has been "robbed" of y/e #1.  I'd define a 'robbery' as when the ability to get #1 is taken off his racquet by unfair matters outside his control, and I'll even identify the years when he was y/e #2.

2003: the closest before 2017, missing by 160 points, but his reverses included Roddick at Toronto, Nalbandian at Cincinnati & USO, and Henman at Paris 
2008: was not that close - Nadal had the beating of everyone else and was hugely deserved #1
2012: Djokovic was the clear race winner and was 3:2 in their H2H
2014: Djokovic was the even clearer race winner and won their only slam final

Perhaps you could point to Roddick getting a lucky win vs. Nalbandian in the 2003 USO SF after the spectator interference, but that did not take #1 off Federer's racquet - in particular his losses to Nalbandian and Henman prevented him from being able to get at Roddick and show who was boss.  I'd accept he was unlucky to have mono in 2008, but if we are going to play the 'but for injuries' game (and I don't, especially for such a relatively injury-free career), what about 2009?

gallery play wrote:Zverev is one of those very few players who can make Federer look worse than he is. And that's not meant as a compliment. It's that typical defending teasing game with just enough resistance which leaves Federer uncomfortable and annoyed actually. A bit like those early meeting against Murray.

Zverev at this rate will surpass Nadal as most annoying player of the tour in no time. There is literally nothing to like about Zverev. His game, shots, movement...it all sucks. And than there's that wanking face!

Tenez wrote:SO glad he lost at the end, cause it allowed Federer to get one back v Nadal!

Tenez wrote:I just watched some highlights of Fed Zverev. Not impressed by Fed. He really looks out of shape. It seems clear to me that he was probably not in a state to play Paris after his tough tournaments in succession.

He is not serving very well and his mouvement is poor. His win on Sunday is no guarantee to me, though still the favourite..unless he plays Zverev in final.

Federer wrote:Q. After the final in Basel, you said you felt your body was asking you for a break. Are you happy with the way you recovered these two weeks? How do you feel?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, took me long time to recover really, to be honest. I had a very slow week the Paris week. But also, other than the charity match, the Andy Murray Live match in Scotland, I also didn't do that much. The last sort of Thursday, Friday - especially Friday, Saturday, sorry - were my more intense days. Other than that, I didn't do much.

I'm happy that I was able to come out today and had actually good energy. This is the best I've felt since the del Potro finals. I'm very happy to see that I didn't have to pay the price for taking it easy, you know, resting, recovering. But then turning it up the last few days got me in shape for today.

Q. When you decided not to play Paris, you took yourself out of contention for the year-end No. 1 ranking. Rafa got that trophy today. Is there a small part of you that wished it was still on the line here? How did you get to the decision to not use that as a factor?
ROGER FEDERER: No, I was supposed to do the Sky interview afterwards, and they wanted to talk to me about the tactical element of the match. The Rafa trophy presentation was going on.

They said, Is it okay to wait?

I said, Well, yeah, I better wait because this is a big deal. This is a huge thing.

All the players were playing for maybe world No. 1. He was better throughout the year. He played more tournaments. He was incredibly successful throughout. So, no, I don't have any regrets because I feel like in my stage of my competition, my age, either it comes to me or it doesn't.

He had more, you know, gas left in the tank than I did. I couldn't play as much as I've wanted, or I overplayed anyway. My only regret was I would have loved to be in contention through the Montreal finals, Cincinnati, US Open. But things evaporated very quickly after he won the US Open. That's when he made his final push, was in Asia. That was it for me really.

In some ways I'm happy he clinched it because he deserves it. And like this, I can focus on playing the tournament, and not having to talk about that at the same time.

But, sure, I would have loved to be it, but you can't be it with that many tournaments, so it's no problem for me.

Jahu wrote:Just checked this Nitto company sponsoring the WTF, Japanese raw materials company totally unrelated to sport endorsments, don't know how they got into Tennis.

Jahu wrote:Tough win, Thiem stays so far away from base line more then even Nadal, he is killing himself, full of muscles, yet breathless all the time.

Jahu wrote:Just checked this Nitto company sponsoring the WTF, Japanese raw materials company totally unrelated to sport endorsments, don't know how they got into Tennis.