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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:18 am

I find this investigation and media focus the most absurd, ridiculous deceitful piece of tabloid news in modern times. I am not sure who the McCanns know to keep dragging that story on top of tabloids but must have some but looks like the gouvernment has money to waste.

I think the Portugal police pretty quickly and convincingly found the culprit and the case was taken out of their hands cause the outcome did not satisfy Tony Blair some strange reasons.

It's pretty obvious it's the parents who did it. Not intentionally of course but they just messed up with anesthetic drugs (remember they are both GPs). I believe that when they discovered the drugs went wrong they tried to save their job (they still had 2 kids to raise).

The funny thing is that even the efit images of the abductors look like her father!

It's a very sad story but one to close!

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:42 am

What??

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:44 am

You really do come up with the most shocking things at times !

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Post by ... on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:01 am

The thing that never added up for me was the fact the parents chose not to lock the door when they left the children and went for drinks.

It's a real tragedy.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:11 am

JS - you are the moist gullable poster I have ever known. Shocking in your view but for the Portuguese police who did the investigation and were there first and know more than you and I....the case is closed and clear.

It's not difficult to conceive. They wanted to have a drink and relax with friends without having to worry about a baysitter. gave a bit of calming drug to the kids. The girl chocked on her meal and the nightmare starts.

Sooner or later the story will come out...hopefully Nadal's story will come first. Winking

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:14 am

Why would an abductor spill blood in the room and take the child away. How do you explain as well that the car they rented a month after returning to the crime scene had their daughter blood on it?

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:55 am

But the Portuguese police did not convict the parents did they?

 
It's not difficult to conceive. They wanted to have a drink and relax with friends without having to worry about a baysitter. gave a bit of calming drug to the kids. The girl chocked on her meal and the nightmare starts.

Sooner or later the story will come out...hopefully Nadal's story will come first.
It's possible, but not proven.  There's a difference there.


Why would an abductor spill blood in the room and take the child away. How do you explain as well that the car they rented a month after returning to the crime scene had their daughter blood on it?
K I'll be honest at the time even though I was aware of the hype I did not follow the case too closely, so I did not hear about this.
But do we know when the blood is from? Children can bleed when they get cut etc. do we know the blood is from the day of her disappearance.

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:57 am

JS - you are the moist gullable poster I have ever known.
Either that or the McCann parents are actually innocent and you buy conspiracy theories too easily.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:29 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:
JS - you are the moist gullable poster I have ever known.
Either that or the McCann parents are actually innocent and you buy conspiracy theories too easily.
You see I am not the one with conspiracy theories. The Portugueses police have some basics tech knowledge on how to come to conclusion .They are not looking for a different suspect and they woudl be the first interested in tracking down someone who kills children as it happened on their soil.

Those throwing conspiracies are actually the press: Irak (WMDs), Lybia (terrible dictator), Syria(spilling chem gas when everybody knew (including the UN that it came from the opposite side).

Wasn't it the press as well who tried to made us believe LA was a great champ when they all knew about it but because it was a lucrative athlete no-one dared to go after him....actually they were not even allowed to suspect...a bit like Nadal I guess and this is why l'equipe had to retract.


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Post by ... on Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:59 pm

And anyway...it's the media that coined the phrase "conspiracy theory" in the first place, just to sideline and discredit straight-thinking.
So now we have "politically correct" thinking on one side and "conspiracy loonies" on the other, and neither groups/phrases existed 50 years ago, yet the world managed to function just the same if not better.
Media are nothing but a bloodcurdling, brain-washing government controlling instrument whose main job is to keep people in fear.

If it's not bird or swine flu, it's global warming, and when that stops being "funky", then the good old baddies from Middle East are always there to be taught the Human Rights Act with a bit of war&bombing ....

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Post by SayonaRa on Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:36 pm

Tenez wrote:
It's pretty obvious it's the parents who did it.
What did they do with the body? Where is it?

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:56 pm

If it's not bird or swine flu, it's global warming, and when that stops being "funky", then the good old baddies from Middle East are always there to be taught the Human Rights Act with a bit of war&bombing ....
I don't understand you NITB.
Swine flu did strike and it killed millions of people, especially in Mexico.
Global warming is taking place due to the copious amounts of pollution being emitted.
As for war with the Middle East- I believe it should be avoided at all costs- Parliament said no to the war on Syria and many Labour MPs now admit Iraq was a mistake.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:00 pm

I am not sure but apparently if my memory serves me well they hid it and they came back a month later must have burried or thrown in the sea.

I think it is just a stupid bad mistake anyone coudl do (give kids a bit of relaxing drugs (and remember the twins were tested for a calming drug) to have a night diner out. ..but then they probably did not think clearly, panick as one would do and maybe thought that gone for gone they would save face and career. A stupid incident turning into a nightmare and we could all be in that position. I almost killed my child a few years ago trying skateboard surfing on the beach....

The story is certainly very sad.....Many have stipulated it was the parents....well obviously the portuguese authorities.

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:05 pm

What relaxing drug?
Why didn't the Portuguese then arrest the parents?

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:41 pm

Cause the UK lawyers were simply better than the local ones. At the end it was a legal battle that sorted it out.

And robably more importantly because they probably did not want to add more misery to a family that just lost a child.

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:52 pm

I hear your opinion Tenez, but for me I will still wait until I see more evidence before coming to a judgement as you have done.

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Post by SayonaRa on Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:52 pm

Tenez wrote:I am not sure but apparently if my memory serves me well they hid it and they came back a month later must have burried or thrown in the sea.

I think it is just a stupid bad mistake anyone coudl do (give kids a bit of relaxing drugs (and remember the twins were tested for a calming drug) to have a night diner out. ..but then they probably did not think clearly, panick as one would do and maybe thought that gone for gone they would save face and career. A stupid incident turning into a nightmare and we could all be in that position. I almost killed my child a few years ago trying skateboard surfing on the beach....

The story is certainly very sad.....Many have stipulated it was the parents....well obviously the portuguese authorities.
"Portuguese prosecutors reopen case after new leads found"
www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/10/24/madeleine_mccann_disappearance_portuguese_prosecutors_reopen_case_after_new_leads_found.html

Of course, we all make terrible and even potentially deadly mistakes. No problem with that. But my question for you is, t, IF you had indeed accidentally killed your child, would you then have the presence of mind to planned and execute a covered-up of the mistake, say, by burying or throwing your child’s corpse in the sea, as you believe the McCains had done so?  
 
Making a stupid mistake is one thing. But willfully throwing away the remains of your own flesh-and-blood after the accident is quite another, I think. It’s just so hard to believe any parent under ANY circumstances would do that.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:14 pm

Good question SR...This is why I do not want to blame them really....Personallly I tend to stop the rot as soon as I make a mistake. I kow how easy it is to be dragged further into lying and covering....whatever wrong I do.

I clearly would have come clean (and may they are...though I still doubt very much). But once you lie....you are faced with 1) losing your child, terrible indeed, 2 covering up....under the panick and awful event and then lying to the police with risking your job. You are in a way dragged into that awful lying loop where you cannot even face the world and come clean. In a way no different than LA who kept denying ...even the dossier came out.....only to admit it when there was simply no other choice.

Maybe the parents would want to come clean now...but it's simply too late as they played the wrong role early on and have played it so well that there is no alternative.  Like any doping athlete they are forced into taking to court any newspaper that question the series of event (they did take to court Sky news or one of Murddoch's paper) ...which then had to retract as they did not have enough evidence to prove that they did it...no different than L'equipe who had to retract many times when addressing LA or Nadal cause of lack of evidence.

One thing we know though is that they gave their children some drugs before going out. That in itself is very bad though quite ok for some "scientific and medical" minds.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:08 pm

What drug could they give a child?

As GPs surely they wouldn't give out drugs with fatal side effects to their own children?

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Post by Tenez on Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:24 am

Just sedatives...At least this is what the police said at the beginning of the investigation...then for some strange reasons it was withdrawn.

This case is so weird.

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Post by SayonaRa on Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:18 am

Tenez,

I don’t have a problem believing they drugged the kid. My problem is the hypothetical reconstruction of what actually happened AFTER the parents went out, having mindlessly left the door to their hotel room unlocked. Because there was easy access to the drugged child thru an open door, it’s not impossible for an intruder (a pedophile ring has been implicated) to have entered and snatched Maddy without her making the slightest noise.
 
Of course, on the other hand we also have the possibility of the parents themselves accidentally killing the kid with drugs and then attempted to stage a cover-up laced with lies. Here, however, I don’t think you can compare the murderous and parent-child context of the McCain case with the mundane nature of sports doping, as athletes like Armstrong or nadal on steroids didn’t kill anyone. They just wanted to win but don’t have the natural ability to win as much as they like without the help of drugs.
 
On the other hand, the main focus of the McCain case for me is not drug abuse, but the question of a mother and father potentially breaking what must be considered a naturally sealed and unbreakable parent-child bondage. Parents like the McCains would lie and betray their dead child to such a surreal level just to save face/job/future?
 
Again, I’m not saying the McCains are definitely innocent. I just don’t know. You could be right. In general, lying is one of the most fundamental survival skill in all societies. In certain cultures it’s even considered a mundane, expected and accepted social behavior you encounter everywhere and everyday. It’s not how bright and honest you are but how smart you are to fabricate the best lies.
 
A propos, Maddy’s tragedy reminds me of the death of the 6 year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey who was found dead in the basement of her parents’ house in 1996. The Ramseys were officially cleared of any involvement with their daughter’s dead. JonBenet’s misery murder was never solved and Mrs. Ramsey died of cancer several years ago. Fast-forward to 10/2013, a grand jury has just decided to reopen the unsolved murder:
 
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/25/21146207-grand-jury-prepared-child-abuse-indictment-against-jonbenet-ramseys-parents-newly-released-documents-show?lite

Postscript: For some reason I don't believe Maddy is dead. But JonBenet and her mother are long gone.Peace Dove 
 
 

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Post by Tenez on Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:44 am

SR wrote:Here, however, I don’t think you can compare the murderous and parent-child context of the McCain case with the mundane nature of sports doping, as athletes like Armstrong or nadal on steroids didn’t kill anyone. They just wanted to win but don’t have the natural ability to win as much as they like without the help of drugs.
One can always compare 2 different cases or things. There is not much in common between a bird's nest and Buckingham palace though both have in common to protect from the environment.

I also don't think the McCanns are murderous parents at all....no more than the ones who helped Flo-Jo break her record which may have ended in her early death. They just lived an horrific experience and if one day "my" version of the story comes out, I would the last one to see them punish as losing a child is simply sad enough.

What could be compoarable in my view is the vicious lying circles those who start covering up end up having to cover up bigger and bigger lies. In particular I find it funny to see those athletes running faster and longer accusing without qualm those who have just been caught up. Very simply cause once one starts lying one has almost no choice to keep on lying.

Sure there is always a chance that Maddy was abducted...like there is a chance that our top athletes are clean....but from experience and what I gathered both are unlikely.

Another matter which I find strange is that if Maddy was simply abducted was was there any of her blood in the room? Surely one would take the child and rush....no need to spill blood.

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Post by SayonaRa on Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:07 pm

Sorry, my language failed me with the wrong choice of word. No, I don’t mean the McCains are murderous. I mean their case involved an alleged or perceived fatality. By contrast, I don’t think sports doping has been linked to wrongful death of a 3rd party.
 
Of course, lies are lies regardless, and liars have to keep lying bigger and better to get thru the day without being caught. I was just pointing out the entirely different contexts leading to the two very different sets of lies in the McCain (domestic) and Armstrong/Nadal (sports) scenarios.
 
You got a point with the spilled blood. In any event, it’d be hard, if not impossible for the court to convict the McCains without Maddy’s body being found, even if they were responsible for the girl’s disappearance.

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Post by DECIMA on Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:26 pm

Bloody hell, do you really have to bring Nadal into a case of a murdered little girl ???

Tenez, you said something about the police mentioning sedatives, can you expand on that? Did the police find sedatives in her blood?

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Post by SayonaRa on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:35 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:Bloody hell, do you really have to bring Nadal into a case of a murdered little girl ???
Steady there Mikey, that's for me to decide, not you. Did anyone force you to read my posts? Yikes Now get this:
 
A)    Nadal’s name already appeared numerous times in this thread prior to my last mention. Funny you didn’t have any problem responding to Tenez’s earlier remark when he initially referenced your idol saying that “hopefully Nadal's story will come first.”
 
B)     Don’t ambush others’ conversation sleepwalking without getting a firm grip of what’s being discussed. It’s very careless, rude and arrogant. Please keep your emotional “NEEDS” and other such personal nadal fantasies/issues in the privacy of your own bedroom, because  
 
C)    This is a public forum and Nadal is not your personal property. Surely you don’t think anyone needs your approval to post an opinion re the greatest fraudster in tennis history? So get off you high horse and at least learn some manners before you attack people for no other reasons but your own personal gratifications “as part of [your] 'duty' to Rafa.” But poor amrit, a website is not a place for you to fulfill a private mission. You need help.

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Post by DECIMA on Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:42 pm

I didn't say I would try to stop you, I think it's frankly a bit ridiculous to try and bring Nadal into a case where a girl has been murdered to try and draw some desperate parallels... but clearly this point is lost on you and you will continue to do that.

Go ahead then.

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Post by SayonaRa on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:13 pm

I referenced nadal for a specific reason. But clearly this point is also lost on you and you'll continue to push your nadal agenda REGARDLESS. I give up, talking to a brick wall is more rewarding. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Post by DECIMA on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:23 pm

SR wrote:I referenced nadal for a specific reason.
Yeah, I realised that.
Same reason Tenez mentioned it too, we can't even have one discussion about a murdered girl without reference to Nadal can we?

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Post by Tenez on Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:33 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:Bloody hell, do you really have to bring Nadal into a case of a murdered little girl ???

Tenez, you said something about the police mentioning sedatives, can you expand on that? Did the police find sedatives in her blood?
I remember that the Police said so back then (found on the twins not her of course). There must be something there cause then further test proved somehow the police was wrong. I am not sure how they turned that around but it is libel to say so as the parents won a legal case over it. One thing I know is that once legal and not science takes over anything is possible.

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Post by SayonaRa on Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:12 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote: we can't even have one discussion about a murdered girl without reference to Nadal can we?
Oh, if you insist, cry me a river, would you?

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