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"paulcz It is interesting to observe how it all goes. I would like him to win Cincy and USO this year I actually think that he is able to succeed in Wimbledon. This 'enforced' loss should kick him off and play freely. The season goes quickly and there is nothing to worry about, because he is best player on the tour.
But Djokovic is not the best player on grass.
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BlueClay wrote: But Djokovic is not the best player on grass.
Neither is Nadal, yet he managed to win twice.
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noleisthebest wrote:BlueClay wrote: But Djokovic is not the best player on grass.
Neither is Nadal, yet he managed to win twice.
Disagree. Nadal is a better grass court player than Djokovis is. Two W's and another three W finals vs Djokovic's one W title and no finals tells me so. Plus Nadal defeated the GOAT Roger at W.
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BlueClay wrote:
Disagree. Nadal is a better grass court player than Djokovis is. Two W's and another three W finals vs Djokovic's one W title and no finals tells me so. Plus Nadal defeated the GOAT Roger at W.
Rosol defeated Nadal in Wimbledon, where does that put him in the Hall of Fame?
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noleisthebest wrote:BlueClay wrote:
Disagree. Nadal is a better grass court player than Djokovis is. Two W's and another three W finals vs Djokovic's one W title and no finals tells me so. Plus Nadal defeated the GOAT Roger at W.
Rosol defeated Nadal in Wimbledon, where does that put him in the Hall of Fame?
True, that was a bad loss for Nadal but it does not change the fact that Nadal has been a better grass court player than Djokovic has been. This is an obvious fact.
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BC, I do not think that upcoming Wimbledon will have a clear favorite for the title. Quite difficult to predict how Murray looks like, but the strong TOP 4 should be surely mentioned for the title.BlueClay wrote:"paulcz It is interesting to observe how it all goes. I would like him to win Cincy and USO this year I actually think that he is able to succeed in Wimbledon. This 'enforced' loss should kick him off and play freely. The season goes quickly and there is nothing to worry about, because he is best player on the tour.
But Djokovic is not the best player on grass.
I can imagine how Nole in the top form could play on the grass, but grass season is something special because it lasts just a couple of weeks and make more favourable great servers/returners. It is not easy to estimate how they will come on the grass, i.e. how mentally strong they will be, how they will move on the court, how their bodies will hold together, what the grass will be, what balls they will play with.
My wish is to see in semi Nole with Fed and Murray with Nadal. I think that Berd with Tsonga could cause a surprise there. but playing on the grass successfully needs great serve and return, but also very quick hands and legs, so the former lineup of TOP 4 should be favorites. Some big servers as Rao, Isner, Tomic, Haas, Stan could cause a surprise as well.
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paulcz wrote:BC, I do not think that upcoming Wimbledon will have a clear favorite for the title. Quite difficult to predict how Murray looks like, but the strong TOP 4 should be surely mentioned for the title.BlueClay wrote:"paulcz It is interesting to observe how it all goes. I would like him to win Cincy and USO this year I actually think that he is able to succeed in Wimbledon. This 'enforced' loss should kick him off and play freely. The season goes quickly and there is nothing to worry about, because he is best player on the tour.
But Djokovic is not the best player on grass.
Yes, I think the top four are the faves with Federer in fourth place imo.
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Hats off how Nole played with Chardy today. Improved serve, absolutely brilliant return, with 100% focus, being safe at the net. Just 3 UE for 3 sets, that is unbelievable. Nole played as the real champion, as no. 1 player, well done
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Yes, Nole is in the winning form and from all I have seen looks better than Murray.
He looks very fit and fresh and tip-top sharp on both his FH & BH, serving and returning excellent, too.
Next match against Haas will be very tough, though, I hope he wins it in 3 or 4 sets.
He looks very fit and fresh and tip-top sharp on both his FH & BH, serving and returning excellent, too.
Next match against Haas will be very tough, though, I hope he wins it in 3 or 4 sets.
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If Nole serves and returns as he did with Chardy, he is practically unbeatable. If he shows dips in this area, then I still think he should be on legs much better than Haas. I see Nole to win in straight or four sets, but the grass is tricky and Haas plays alĺ-court with nice volleys.
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I have seen a few Nole matches live this year (RG against Goffin, Boodles against Dimitrov and Wimbledon against Haas), and coupled qith quite a few from O2 etc, I have established a bit of an on-court rappor with Nole.
So far, I have only tried to lift him up with my cheering as I know it means a lot to him to hear a familiar Belgrade accent and see the flag.
A word in season....
Last night, as I was watching him against Haas who was trying to claw his way in the match with excellent long rallies, I was beginning to get frustrated with Nole's passive game in those long rallies.
So, a for the first time (actually second, first was in RG, but kind of more jokingly), a "coach" arose in me and in the 3rd set TB, when it was 1 all, I yelled out: Attack him Nole!
And guess what: he did in the very next point! And on Haas's serve!
He made a mini-break and took the set and match in style.
After that point, he looked up in my direction and , still delirious that I managed to scmooze in, my adrenalin took on stratospheric proportions!
Laugh as much as you like, but I'm claiming full credit for that one
After all, Nole admitted that passivity himself in his post match interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOvTDSXxnZE
So far, I have only tried to lift him up with my cheering as I know it means a lot to him to hear a familiar Belgrade accent and see the flag.
A word in season....
Last night, as I was watching him against Haas who was trying to claw his way in the match with excellent long rallies, I was beginning to get frustrated with Nole's passive game in those long rallies.
So, a for the first time (actually second, first was in RG, but kind of more jokingly), a "coach" arose in me and in the 3rd set TB, when it was 1 all, I yelled out: Attack him Nole!
And guess what: he did in the very next point! And on Haas's serve!
He made a mini-break and took the set and match in style.
After that point, he looked up in my direction and , still delirious that I managed to scmooze in, my adrenalin took on stratospheric proportions!
Laugh as much as you like, but I'm claiming full credit for that one
After all, Nole admitted that passivity himself in his post match interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOvTDSXxnZE
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Did he attack early in that TB or when at 4/1 or 5/1 cause he is not the kind of player to pull the trigger first unless he has a lead.
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Tenez wrote:Did he attack early in that TB or when at 4/1 or 5/1 cause he is not the kind of player to pull the trigger first unless he has a lead.
you are not reading my posts....
It was at 1 all in the TB with Haas serving. I think he even landed the first serve in that point.
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Just to congratule to Nole for his good win with Berd. I have not seen, but as expected it was a tough match with ambicious Berd, who is just to slow on hard courts despite his great serve and heavy strokes.
What to expect next? The semi with Delpo can be very tricky, in my opinion that one will be more difficult than probable final with Murray. But it will depend how Delpo body holds together or if anything hampers him. Anyway I am for Nole in 4 sets.
Berd looks quite hammered after the loss, he had thoughts about the final, but not good yet and never will be. But he has improved a bit and has the game for winning, except 2-3 players. But Nole looks very well, just to keep focus on the game and that is it
What to expect next? The semi with Delpo can be very tricky, in my opinion that one will be more difficult than probable final with Murray. But it will depend how Delpo body holds together or if anything hampers him. Anyway I am for Nole in 4 sets.
Berd looks quite hammered after the loss, he had thoughts about the final, but not good yet and never will be. But he has improved a bit and has the game for winning, except 2-3 players. But Nole looks very well, just to keep focus on the game and that is it
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Congratulations to Nole for showing lion's heart and titanium nerves to close the five setter. That one confirmed that Nole is deservedly the player no. 1.
Congrats also to Delpo for the great performance.
Congrats also to Delpo for the great performance.
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Nole has already showed that he is one of the best players on the grass, so that the final can only make up him even better. Nole overcame his last record at Wimbledon, so he definitely is on the top on all surfaces at tennis game
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Each loss hurts, but it is not that bad with our super lion Nole and everybody who watches the tennis more closely knows that to play GS finals consequently takes its toll. The current tennis is so tough that only Nole is able to play GS finals consequently atm, who just took over a relay baton from Fed.
It is necessary to say that there are some facts that stood against Nole and tbh I was not optimistic before Wimbledon that Nole will play the final.
The some reasons have been expressed here, so I will try to put some my perceptions very briefly:
- Nole's self-confidence was heavily shaken after RG semi. That loss was twice worse than the Wimbledon final. That was not only Nadal, but also organizers go against him, either re watering of the court or choosing the court where he plays. That all had its impact on Nole's confidence and his nerves were displayed since the beginning of Wimbledon. Nole's confidence was shattered and Nole lost his patience and focus more often and mainly during the key points of the match.
- either RG against Nadal or final against Murray, Nole played practically always against the crowds. That mentally drains anybody's head as nobody can hardly understand. You can play one GS more or less against the crowd but at two consequent GS to play against a vast majority and on the top against Murray, who chased Wimbledon title as nobody else for decades. That is really mad even to think about it.
- there were some mistakes in Nole's proclamation before semi at RG when he put himself under a big pressure. He and his team understood that he can not stand so openly ambicious against a “sweetheart“ of the crowds. So, Nole was very humble to challenge calls and his head was focused on his behaviour and right antics more than on the game. In the comparison with Nole, Andy played as animal, i.e. no sympathy or regret with your opponent, that deserves special thanks to Ivan.
- Nadal or Murray, both players had much longer preparation for the transition to clay/grass. I am afraid that practically anybody from top3 players (sorry Fed's fans), when taking a longer pause for their preparation and get a right grip for the surface before GS is going to have an advantage against the others, especially stamina wise. Especially that is the case of Nadal at RG
- I think that the development of Andy's half of the draw after early leaving of Nadal/Fed gave Andy a lot of energy to see that he will not repeat his last year failure with Fed and will not face Nadal/Fed at semi. Even he struggled with Verdasco and JJ he practically tried out his defense which got him toughened up largely and that also toughened his mental side, that he knew that he can get out the trouble even being two sets down
- Nole had definitely tougher opponents for the last three matches than Murray. Haas, Berd and Delpo belongs to the best grass players atm. Their tennis is by far superior to Youzhny, Verdasco, JJ. That surely played significant role for the final.
So, let's stay positive. Nole is deservedly player no. 1, has the game to gain each GS, can win on all surfaces even against specialists, in addition even against players with an enormously prevailing support of crowds. In my eyes Nole deserves even more praise than Andy, who played the final in an ultra focused “intoxicating” mode. Nole is just an miracle, who is worthy to support in any case. Nole, 4ever
It is necessary to say that there are some facts that stood against Nole and tbh I was not optimistic before Wimbledon that Nole will play the final.
The some reasons have been expressed here, so I will try to put some my perceptions very briefly:
- Nole's self-confidence was heavily shaken after RG semi. That loss was twice worse than the Wimbledon final. That was not only Nadal, but also organizers go against him, either re watering of the court or choosing the court where he plays. That all had its impact on Nole's confidence and his nerves were displayed since the beginning of Wimbledon. Nole's confidence was shattered and Nole lost his patience and focus more often and mainly during the key points of the match.
- either RG against Nadal or final against Murray, Nole played practically always against the crowds. That mentally drains anybody's head as nobody can hardly understand. You can play one GS more or less against the crowd but at two consequent GS to play against a vast majority and on the top against Murray, who chased Wimbledon title as nobody else for decades. That is really mad even to think about it.
- there were some mistakes in Nole's proclamation before semi at RG when he put himself under a big pressure. He and his team understood that he can not stand so openly ambicious against a “sweetheart“ of the crowds. So, Nole was very humble to challenge calls and his head was focused on his behaviour and right antics more than on the game. In the comparison with Nole, Andy played as animal, i.e. no sympathy or regret with your opponent, that deserves special thanks to Ivan.
- Nadal or Murray, both players had much longer preparation for the transition to clay/grass. I am afraid that practically anybody from top3 players (sorry Fed's fans), when taking a longer pause for their preparation and get a right grip for the surface before GS is going to have an advantage against the others, especially stamina wise. Especially that is the case of Nadal at RG
- I think that the development of Andy's half of the draw after early leaving of Nadal/Fed gave Andy a lot of energy to see that he will not repeat his last year failure with Fed and will not face Nadal/Fed at semi. Even he struggled with Verdasco and JJ he practically tried out his defense which got him toughened up largely and that also toughened his mental side, that he knew that he can get out the trouble even being two sets down
- Nole had definitely tougher opponents for the last three matches than Murray. Haas, Berd and Delpo belongs to the best grass players atm. Their tennis is by far superior to Youzhny, Verdasco, JJ. That surely played significant role for the final.
So, let's stay positive. Nole is deservedly player no. 1, has the game to gain each GS, can win on all surfaces even against specialists, in addition even against players with an enormously prevailing support of crowds. In my eyes Nole deserves even more praise than Andy, who played the final in an ultra focused “intoxicating” mode. Nole is just an miracle, who is worthy to support in any case. Nole, 4ever
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paulcz wrote:Each loss hurts, but it is not that bad with our super lion Nole and everybody who watches the tennis more closely knows that to play GS finals consequently takes its toll. The current tennis is so tough that only Nole is able to play GS finals consequently atm, who just took over a relay baton from Fed.
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So, let's stay positive. Nole is deservedly player no. 1, has the game to gain each GS, can win on all surfaces even against specialists, in addition even against players with an enormously prevailing support of crowds. In my eyes Nole deserves even more praise than Andy, who played the final in an ultra focused “intoxicating” mode. Nole is just an miracle, who is worthy to support in any case. Nole, 4ever
Yes, losses do hurt, don't they.
One of the most difficult things about tennis is having to face yourself sometimes..nowhere to hide on the court, especially not from your biggest opponent - yourself.
Not having seen the final and reading how bad the crowd was, it must have been hard for Nole.
He is someone who craves love and not getting any almost continually must grate him badly.
That's why I make an effort to see him live as much as I can. I know it makes a difference.
And yes, you are right, he has his path cut out that way, he has had it really badly in Madrid (that was the worst ever) this year, and now it appears in Wimbledon.
Not easy.
I noticed it even against Del Potro, actually, Nole really didn't like the crowd against him, and did similar sarcastic approving nodding he did against Fed when USO crowd went mental with Fed having 2 MPs in 2011.
So yes, something's happened in his heart recently. Could be still dealing with RG loss as well as the death of his coach.
A lot of things happen in his every day, and it's only really been just a few weeks since RG.
Personally, I somehow don't think this loss hurt him as badly as many others.
It almost feels as this Wimbledon was a show he had to work, that he has had enough of everything.
It's one thing to plan your schedule, have a week of "holiday" after RG and "regroup" then do Boodles etc etc...and it's completely the other to let time take its course and heal the hurt.
And that's fine.
It's human.
So here is my goodbye song for this Wimbledon. For some strange reason all the ones I chose for this Wimbledon spontaneously happened to be valses....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUuusqy50yk
As for staying positive...(whatever that really means), we have no choice but to get up in the morning and keep going.
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Why would you not watch the matchnoleisthebest wrote:
Not having seen the final and reading how bad the crowd was,
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After a dry patch in Nole's trophy talk here in his fanclub, I'm back in action
The occasion: on this day 7 years ago, Novak Djokovic won his first ever tournament, it was a 250 event on clay, in Amersfoort, Holland. It took a 2 hour and 20 minutes long 2 set match to do it, I'm pretty sure there was no trophy, but an Ipod instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PjEbU2yBclQ
I enjoyed reliving that memory, and yes....time files!
Since 23rd of July 2007, Nole has won 37 titles, including 6 slams, 2 Year End tournaments, Davis Cup and a bronze Olympic medal, and has been a year end number one for two years in a row.
From this...
...to this!!!
And yes, still counting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZwjT0pGNq0
The occasion: on this day 7 years ago, Novak Djokovic won his first ever tournament, it was a 250 event on clay, in Amersfoort, Holland. It took a 2 hour and 20 minutes long 2 set match to do it, I'm pretty sure there was no trophy, but an Ipod instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PjEbU2yBclQ
I enjoyed reliving that memory, and yes....time files!
Since 23rd of July 2007, Nole has won 37 titles, including 6 slams, 2 Year End tournaments, Davis Cup and a bronze Olympic medal, and has been a year end number one for two years in a row.
From this...
...to this!!!
And yes, still counting...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZwjT0pGNq0
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Although I root for Nole absolutely and more than for anybody else I have ever rooted for, we need also to point out things which evidently does not help Nole to succeed on the court. Nole should stop this jauncing or prancing and to use the court only for tennis, when the racket only talks. I can not understand his coach Marian Vajda that he suffers Nole's romping around. Being no. 1 needs to play with a focus of 110% and we know that Nole has his dips in his game and lacks of higher aggressivity. That makes his weakness even worse. There has never been player no. 1 in the past, who cheered the crowds this way.
There is no way that Ivan allowed this kind of celebration to Andy. If his coach tolerates this, then it is not the coach with high reputation and authority. It is really a question whether the coach of Nole is a man on the right place. I do not think so.
The biggest fighters are killers and definitely not dancers. The switch from the second ones to the first ones is hardly feasible.
There is no way that Ivan allowed this kind of celebration to Andy. If his coach tolerates this, then it is not the coach with high reputation and authority. It is really a question whether the coach of Nole is a man on the right place. I do not think so.
The biggest fighters are killers and definitely not dancers. The switch from the second ones to the first ones is hardly feasible.
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That's an interesting comment, Paul, and I have heard the same from many others many times over the years.
Although I don't always enjoy Nole's "performances" , I completely understand his need for them...
I don't even think he does it for the crowd, although it appears like that, it's more his urge to relieve the boredom inside him, plus there is this streak of extrovert madness he has which allows him to be so natural on the " stage".
It may not be great for his PR, it may not be many people's cup of tea, but he doesn't give a hoot about it.
I also genuinely don't think it does any harm to his focus.
He certainly is no Nadal when it comes to it, but he has always been like that, he will never be able to avoid small lapses esp when he is on top of a player in a match.
My opinion is that his problem atm is Nadal's physical dominance, as well as lack of confidence after his unlucky RG loss.
I think he is still recovering from it, but I have full belief he will be very motivated to keep his number one and start winning soon.
The problem I noticed in Wimbledon when I watched him from close up is lack of penetration on his FH, he really needs to switch to hitting it as flat as possible, that would help him a lot, and I am pretty sure he knows it.
It is not going to be easy, that's for sure.
Although I don't always enjoy Nole's "performances" , I completely understand his need for them...
I don't even think he does it for the crowd, although it appears like that, it's more his urge to relieve the boredom inside him, plus there is this streak of extrovert madness he has which allows him to be so natural on the " stage".
It may not be great for his PR, it may not be many people's cup of tea, but he doesn't give a hoot about it.
I also genuinely don't think it does any harm to his focus.
He certainly is no Nadal when it comes to it, but he has always been like that, he will never be able to avoid small lapses esp when he is on top of a player in a match.
My opinion is that his problem atm is Nadal's physical dominance, as well as lack of confidence after his unlucky RG loss.
I think he is still recovering from it, but I have full belief he will be very motivated to keep his number one and start winning soon.
The problem I noticed in Wimbledon when I watched him from close up is lack of penetration on his FH, he really needs to switch to hitting it as flat as possible, that would help him a lot, and I am pretty sure he knows it.
It is not going to be easy, that's for sure.
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Nole has played the worse match this year. Absolutely no confidence, no energy, no power and that all was obvious from the first ball. There was no area where Nole dominated in that match. Subpar serve, no volleys, poor returns, nearly no winners, i.e. all game components necessary to succeed on this surface. Only average BL game can not be enough against serving cyclops as Isner. Surprisingly he got it nearly to the TB in the third set.
Nadal's win in Montreal took out from Nole all remains of his confidence, which he had after Wimbledon.
Nole and his team have not been working well this year. There were so many mistakes from his team as his presense in DC, strong proclamations before semi at RG. These are basic mistakes which cost Nole this year RG. Nole looks to be broken apart mentally and his confidence is still going down. His loony dancing in Montreal courts is typical example that their work is not done seriously and causes damage to Nole's concentration on the court.
I can hardly see Nole will come back on the winning streak with his present team and their entertaining approach on the courts. No way.
Nadal's win in Montreal took out from Nole all remains of his confidence, which he had after Wimbledon.
Nole and his team have not been working well this year. There were so many mistakes from his team as his presense in DC, strong proclamations before semi at RG. These are basic mistakes which cost Nole this year RG. Nole looks to be broken apart mentally and his confidence is still going down. His loony dancing in Montreal courts is typical example that their work is not done seriously and causes damage to Nole's concentration on the court.
I can hardly see Nole will come back on the winning streak with his present team and their entertaining approach on the courts. No way.
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So Paul.....you seem to agree now that Djoko's main strength is/was his stamina. Problem with Djoko, compared to Nadal, is that he has no weapon really...bar retrieving and outlasting.
Nadal has no weapon either except for that annoying spinning powerful ball giving him so many UEs from his opponents.
Bogbrush compared him to a new Hewitt....and to me he made a very good comparison.
Nadal has no weapon either except for that annoying spinning powerful ball giving him so many UEs from his opponents.
Bogbrush compared him to a new Hewitt....and to me he made a very good comparison.
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Oh Ten, no no. Nole is only one who is able to keep up with juiced Nadal without any doubts. Nole is still absolutely the most versatile player on the tour and due to his team mistakes he practically lost a big part of this tennis season. If Nole had a different coaching he still dominates the tour for sure.Tenez wrote:So Paul.....you seem to agree now that Djoko's main strength is/was his stamina. Problem with Djoko, compared to Nadal, is that he has no weapon really...bar retrieving and outlasting.
Nadal has no weapon either except for that annoying spinning powerful ball giving him so many UEs from his opponents.
Bogbrush compared him to a new Hewitt....and to me he made a very good comparison.
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I don;t think you can blame his team. Djoko is a mature player. He is entirely responsible for his team and their action.
Problem remains that he has no weapon bar retrieving amazing shots.
Problem remains that he has no weapon bar retrieving amazing shots.
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That's so grotesquely unfair on Novak Djokovic it's barely comprehensible.
etc.
- His fantastic reflexes, his legs are nearly like an elastic spring.
- His incredibly laser-like accuracy and precision, which he can keep up consistently. This is what helps him so much against Nadal.
- His ability to disguise which way he is going to hit the backhand up until the last moment.
- The strength of his shots against Nadal, he can really 'crunch' the ball even when it has a lot of topspin- no one else can flatten it out so quickly against Rafa like Djokovic can.
etc.
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Why not? Don't you critisize any adults even if they responsible for their deeds or conducts. I do not get your logic.Tenez wrote:I don;t think you can blame his team. Djoko is a mature player. He is entirely responsible for his team and their action.
Problem remains that he has no weapon bar retrieving amazing shots.
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I think Tenez is hinting that Djokovic is pretty much in charge of his team- so should shoulder most of the responsibility
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Yes, that was a very disappointing match from Nole.
He played with very little confidence, hoping/banking on the fact Isner's level would drop which it did in the 2nd set, but then Nole reverted to extremely passive play and as a result completely lost all confidence as well as the match.
I believe he is under a lot of self-imposed pressure and possible pressure from elsewhere. He was not a happy chappy today.
There are good times and bad patches, and right now, he seems to be in the middle the latter.
He has no choice but to keep working, head down and start building his momentum from scratch without burdening himself with any high goals right now, otherwise he may end up isolated in a vacuum chamber with no breathing space.
He'll be back.
He played with very little confidence, hoping/banking on the fact Isner's level would drop which it did in the 2nd set, but then Nole reverted to extremely passive play and as a result completely lost all confidence as well as the match.
I believe he is under a lot of self-imposed pressure and possible pressure from elsewhere. He was not a happy chappy today.
There are good times and bad patches, and right now, he seems to be in the middle the latter.
He has no choice but to keep working, head down and start building his momentum from scratch without burdening himself with any high goals right now, otherwise he may end up isolated in a vacuum chamber with no breathing space.
He'll be back.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Nole hires Wojtek Fibak, a former doubles specialist and Lendl's coach.
I must admit, I have never heard of the guy, but hope it works!
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/809443
I must admit, I have never heard of the guy, but hope it works!
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/809443
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Nitb, good news.noleisthebest wrote:Nole hires Wojtek Fibak, a former doubles specialist and Lendl's coach.
I must admit, I have never heard of the guy, but hope it works!
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/809443
I remember from my childhood only his name and that he was a good player. It is very important that Nole wants to have a well working team and hopefully they are going to do well.
My recommendation would be to try somebody younger who played tennis recently and could be also a real active coach, somebody like Dominik Hrbaty, great fighter and very clever and very nice guy.
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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Thanks for great match Nole and Stan. Hat off to them. Nole rose up astonishingly since the fourth set. There is nobody who can do it as Nole. I admire that spirit of Nole. Really improved net games and forehand in Nole`s game:magic:
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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I have only seen the match from 3:3 in the 5th set and I know Stan must have played his heart out....really sad for him, but at the same time so happy for Nole who showed again what he's made of, esp compared to Murray who just folded and gave up the battle like a tame little sheep....
Cin-cin time . etc......
Cin-cin time . etc......
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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I listened to radio the third set and watched it since the fourth set. Stan played the tennis of his life, really enjoyed these two sets. These matches are about mental toughness and really glad that Nole won itnoleisthebest wrote:I have only seen the match from 3:3 in the 5th set and I know Stan must have played his heart out....really sad for him, but at the same time so happy for Nole who showed again what he's made of, esp compared to Murray who just folded and gave up the battle like a tame little sheep....
Cin-cin time . etc......
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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I can't wait for the final!!!
I promise I will not hide behind the sofa
I promise I will not hide behind the sofa
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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I would prescribe to Nole eating just carpaccio and tartar steaks till Monday final. He will need itnoleisthebest wrote:I can't wait for the final!!!
I promise I will not hide behind the sofa
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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I am actually in Paris atm, and was on this bus tour around the cit trip when the match started....
So....I was checking the score on my phone while listening to those lovely french music and commentary at the same time....
While the guide talked about Napoleon an his victories, Nole was battling his battle...more like having his Waterloo as Stan was thrashing him, at one stage it was 4:1 in the first set and the next ti e I looked Nole was 2:4 in the second !!!!!
Then as the bus kept going it stopped at a traffic light and I could actually watch a match for 5 seconds on somebody's huge TV I saw through a window , how crazy was that!!!!!
I then went and had a dinner, and just as I finished my dessert, Nole won the 4th set....
Then I came to the hotel room and the WI-FI stream was reallyrubbish, it was stopping and starting every 15-20 seconds, but hey, beggars can't be choosers, just as I thought I have seen tennis in every possible way this happened!
Viva life in all its magnificent unexpected twists and turns
...and yes, may Nole win on Monday
So....I was checking the score on my phone while listening to those lovely french music and commentary at the same time....
While the guide talked about Napoleon an his victories, Nole was battling his battle...more like having his Waterloo as Stan was thrashing him, at one stage it was 4:1 in the first set and the next ti e I looked Nole was 2:4 in the second !!!!!
Then as the bus kept going it stopped at a traffic light and I could actually watch a match for 5 seconds on somebody's huge TV I saw through a window , how crazy was that!!!!!
I then went and had a dinner, and just as I finished my dessert, Nole won the 4th set....
Then I came to the hotel room and the WI-FI stream was reallyrubbish, it was stopping and starting every 15-20 seconds, but hey, beggars can't be choosers, just as I thought I have seen tennis in every possible way this happened!
Viva life in all its magnificent unexpected twists and turns
...and yes, may Nole win on Monday
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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I have played tennis tourney at doubles today, so I am devasted completely. That is amazing how hard these players work on courts. Tennis seems to be the worst sport for complete devastation of bodies, but really nicenoleisthebest wrote:I am in Paris atm, and was on this bus tour around the cit trip when the match started....
So....I was checking the score on my phone while listening to those lovely french music and commentary at the same time....
While the guide talked about Napoleon an his victories, Nole was battling his battle...more like having his Waterloo as Stan was thrashing him, at one stage it was 4:1 in the first set and the next ti e I looked Nole was 2:4 in the second !!!!!
Then as the bus kept going it stopped at a traffic light and I could actually watch a match for 5 seconds on somebody's huge TV I saw through a window , how crazy was that!!!!!
I then went and had a dinner, and just as I finished my dessert, Nole won the 4th set....
Then I came to the hotel room and the WI-FI stream was reallyrubbish, it was stopping and starting every 15-20 seconds, but hey, beggars can't be choosers, just as I thought I have seen tennis in every possible way this happened!
Viva life in all its magnificent unexpected twists and turns
...and yes, may Nole win on Monday
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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Paul,
I have "devastated" my elbow/forearm last month!
I tried to improve my serve a bit and served out 200 balls in about 15 minutes...
If it wasn't tragic, it would be comic
I have "devastated" my elbow/forearm last month!
I tried to improve my serve a bit and served out 200 balls in about 15 minutes...
If it wasn't tragic, it would be comic
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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My body accounts is as follows, twisted ankle, stiff back and pain going from back to my right calve and pain in shoulders, fortunately my right shoulder is not as bad as left one, which I damaged at the school gym. My elbow holds but needs also a couple of days off. But really nice tourney, a lot of former players, some from the Czech second league. One of them served surely about 200km/h. Really not easy to face that serve. But it was really nice and great sunny day and Nole`s win, there is nothing better than thatnoleisthebest wrote:Paul,
I have "devastated" my elbow/forearm last month!
I tried to improve my serve a bit and served out 200 balls in about 15 minutes...
If it wasn't tragic, it would be comic
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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Thanks to Nole for nice two sets in the final yesterday. I really appreciate the way he played. Attacking tennis with nice approaches to the net, gutsy, elegant and with view from above especially. Nole pulled Nadal on the court for the damn much time.
On the other hand juiced Nadal, full of fears, showed his enormous self-devotion and persistence for every ball like his life should stand on it. This trait of his personality is surely important to succeed in sport, which his fans like very much and admire.
So tennis fans can choose who they want to support. Everybody has own preferences and that makes all kinds of differences at fandom. I wrote some previous critical comments on the Nadal`s camp of fans. I do not mind that they admire Nadal, but the mind boggles what these idiots showed again. Clapping of these fans for failed the first Nole`s serve in the third set with score 4:4 is a pure desperation. Just idiots.
To the final
Tbh I did not see anybody running and moving so fast on the court. Nadal explosivness is unearthly. I do not want to discuss what is behind that, but with his acceleration there is no player who can permanently hit through him on such surface currently . Nadal showed his improvements how quick is able to transfer from defence into attacks. His half-volleys are due to his body stability and lower center of gravity great.
Watching the second set and the first part of the third set I could hardly understand how Nole dominantly took the reins of that match. That was amazing.
There were rallies more than 20 hits when each ball was played close to 100% of their feasible perfection. That was astonishing. Everybody who plays tennis knows that hitting a ball twice or three times close to their perfection is superb, but they both could hit it more than 10 times.
Nole could take the match if his hitting for winners was more penetrative especially from FH side. If he had Delpo, Berd, Fed forehand he would take it. Nole`s problem as I wrote many times is that his slim body does not allow him such a punch. In addition to that he plays many FH from an open stance even when going for winners. But improvements are there and his inside-out FH is superb. His weaker legs are also a handicap for playing volleys and for quicker reactions at the net.
Future
I would recommend to Nole to add a kilo of muscle for hard court season. Then I would try to find a more “attacking“ racket and work on a grip adjustment when going for FH winners. That would be a quite progress.
Nole with Nadal are by a margin ahead at the tennis tour atm. I think that Nole has his chances on AO where Nadal will be not able to transit his defense into attacks so sharply due to a bit slower surface and where Nole is able intensify his attacks gradually. No doubts, that Nole will come back stronger and ready for next fights.
On the other hand juiced Nadal, full of fears, showed his enormous self-devotion and persistence for every ball like his life should stand on it. This trait of his personality is surely important to succeed in sport, which his fans like very much and admire.
So tennis fans can choose who they want to support. Everybody has own preferences and that makes all kinds of differences at fandom. I wrote some previous critical comments on the Nadal`s camp of fans. I do not mind that they admire Nadal, but the mind boggles what these idiots showed again. Clapping of these fans for failed the first Nole`s serve in the third set with score 4:4 is a pure desperation. Just idiots.
To the final
Tbh I did not see anybody running and moving so fast on the court. Nadal explosivness is unearthly. I do not want to discuss what is behind that, but with his acceleration there is no player who can permanently hit through him on such surface currently . Nadal showed his improvements how quick is able to transfer from defence into attacks. His half-volleys are due to his body stability and lower center of gravity great.
Watching the second set and the first part of the third set I could hardly understand how Nole dominantly took the reins of that match. That was amazing.
There were rallies more than 20 hits when each ball was played close to 100% of their feasible perfection. That was astonishing. Everybody who plays tennis knows that hitting a ball twice or three times close to their perfection is superb, but they both could hit it more than 10 times.
Nole could take the match if his hitting for winners was more penetrative especially from FH side. If he had Delpo, Berd, Fed forehand he would take it. Nole`s problem as I wrote many times is that his slim body does not allow him such a punch. In addition to that he plays many FH from an open stance even when going for winners. But improvements are there and his inside-out FH is superb. His weaker legs are also a handicap for playing volleys and for quicker reactions at the net.
Future
I would recommend to Nole to add a kilo of muscle for hard court season. Then I would try to find a more “attacking“ racket and work on a grip adjustment when going for FH winners. That would be a quite progress.
Nole with Nadal are by a margin ahead at the tennis tour atm. I think that Nole has his chances on AO where Nadal will be not able to transit his defense into attacks so sharply due to a bit slower surface and where Nole is able intensify his attacks gradually. No doubts, that Nole will come back stronger and ready for next fights.
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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I am not worried about Nole in the least.
Too much has been read into the loss(es).
Nothing radical needs to change, nor can it get changed much.
All he needs is to get his confidence back. He knows he is a better player than Nadal.
Just needs to learn from the mistake of losing the focus and calm down a bit, not let the emotion overwhelm him so much like it seems to have ever since he become number one.
Following the burden of that huge 2011 seems to have affected him more than it should have, again, as I said recently, that self-imposed pressure to chase first The Streak (failed in losing the SF match against Federer in RG), Rod Laver's calendar slam (failed last year) win RG he pledged to his first coach 9 who even happened to die in the middle of the tournament (again failed)...all these things cost and have impact on someone intelligent and sensitive like him.
He has made his choice of being an ambassador for Serbia and it is costing him, he is losing too much time and focus organising gala dinners to raise money for his charity, giving talks in United Nations etc etc....these things are soul killers for him.
He had a gala charity dinner after his Wimbledon final and now after USO final.
And how do you think he will have felt there reading what was written but unspoken in everyone's eyes....
Anyway, they are his choices and he will have to find a way to live with them, he has often said there is more to life than tennis, and when you compare him to Nadal who can't even speak English, you can see the difference.
Too much has been read into the loss(es).
Nothing radical needs to change, nor can it get changed much.
All he needs is to get his confidence back. He knows he is a better player than Nadal.
Just needs to learn from the mistake of losing the focus and calm down a bit, not let the emotion overwhelm him so much like it seems to have ever since he become number one.
Following the burden of that huge 2011 seems to have affected him more than it should have, again, as I said recently, that self-imposed pressure to chase first The Streak (failed in losing the SF match against Federer in RG), Rod Laver's calendar slam (failed last year) win RG he pledged to his first coach 9 who even happened to die in the middle of the tournament (again failed)...all these things cost and have impact on someone intelligent and sensitive like him.
He has made his choice of being an ambassador for Serbia and it is costing him, he is losing too much time and focus organising gala dinners to raise money for his charity, giving talks in United Nations etc etc....these things are soul killers for him.
He had a gala charity dinner after his Wimbledon final and now after USO final.
And how do you think he will have felt there reading what was written but unspoken in everyone's eyes....
Anyway, they are his choices and he will have to find a way to live with them, he has often said there is more to life than tennis, and when you compare him to Nadal who can't even speak English, you can see the difference.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Nadal can speak English fine, honestly stop with the sour grapes just because your guy lost.
It was nothing to do with the bloody UN or gala dinners, he just couldn't raise his game when he needed to at the vital stages- Djokovic himself said that Nadal played better when it mattered and deserved to be US Open Champion.
I have a lot of respect for Djokovic and his game, I don't however have respect for pathetic excuses like 'oh, Nole speaks English well' or 'oh, Nole gives talks to the UN@ etc.
It was nothing to do with the bloody UN or gala dinners, he just couldn't raise his game when he needed to at the vital stages- Djokovic himself said that Nadal played better when it mattered and deserved to be US Open Champion.
I have a lot of respect for Djokovic and his game, I don't however have respect for pathetic excuses like 'oh, Nole speaks English well' or 'oh, Nole gives talks to the UN@ etc.
N2D2L- Posts : 5813
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According to Serbian media, Nole getting married and planning his wedding to Jelena Ristic in 2014.
http://www.kurir-info.rs/svadbena-zvona-novak-dokovic-i-jelena-ristic-planiraju-vencanje-clanak-995949
Best wishes to the lovebirds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-pFAFsTFTI
http://www.kurir-info.rs/svadbena-zvona-novak-dokovic-i-jelena-ristic-planiraju-vencanje-clanak-995949
Best wishes to the lovebirds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-pFAFsTFTI
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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It's Nole's 100th week of being number one today, which takes him to the 8th place in history
Not bad for a nobody from nowhere....
McEnroe with 101 and Nadal with 102 ahead of him.
Not bad for a nobody from nowhere....
McEnroe with 101 and Nadal with 102 ahead of him.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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It is up to Nole again to let have Frankenstein another a half year holiday, in a destination where he can swim and ride a boat and cure his heavily injured knees, which will start hurting soon
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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How did you know, Paul?!!!paulcz wrote:It is up to Nole again to let have Frankenstein another a half year holiday, in a destination where he can swim and ride a boat and cure his heavily injured knees, which will start hurting soon
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/10/nadal-felt-pain-knee-early-quarterfinal-win/49372/#.UlB2b2Qqy04
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Nitb, it is easy. That Frankenstein is a home-made prototype and his joints are made from a second quality metal platesnoleisthebest wrote:How did you know, Paul?!!!paulcz wrote:It is up to Nole again to let have Frankenstein another a half year holiday, in a destination where he can swim and ride a boat and cure his heavily injured knees, which will start hurting soon
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/10/nadal-felt-pain-knee-early-quarterfinal-win/49372/#.UlB2b2Qqy04
paulcz- Posts : 1774
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Thanks Nole for great performance and congratulation to the win
It was a high time to show Frankenstein how hard court game should look like.
It was a high time to show Frankenstein how hard court game should look like.
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