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Post by BEL19VE on Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:14 pm

May as well post this on tennis section as it's not like we have loads of new threads that need to be segmented.

3 easy words for my attitude towards this election: Anyone but Labour.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that just because they're crazy on economics, they're also not batshit on social issues.
When you read about how the twitter mob have made someone lose their job by taking jokes out of context, or someone being forced to apologise despite being objectively reasonable... imagine the worst of those people in charge of the country. That's Labour.

Even Obama has had enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaHLd8de6nM

I fear that Farage's ego will mean Brexit party will split the Tory vote, and let Corbyn in through the back door. Prediction models estimate that LDs will get 40 seats, and SNP 50, so Labour only need 235 seats for Corbyn to be PM. If you're in a marginal seat, vote Conservative. They aren't great but a hell of a lot better than than the alternative.

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Post by bogbrush on Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:56 am

I'd agree with the general thrust; the neo-Marxists that have taken over the Labour Party are the most dangerous people ever to gain prominence in British politics. They only get oxygen because of the tribal loyalty to Labour - if there was a genuinely useful alternative and people did vote from first principles rather than habit they'd be polling 6-7%.

ABL turns into VC because in reality there's only one alternative to them, which is the conclusion some very long standing Labour MPs came to yesterday.

Personally I differ from all the mainstream parties massively and don't find a huge amount in any to enthral me but in the end faced with a choice between whoever and the gang would could potentially ruin the Country, it's whoever.

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:40 am

Made me chuckle Amrit. 

I feel sorry for younger voters nowadays given the breadth of issues globally, there disconnection with modern day politics and the amount of GE's that await them to vote on. 

Did I ever imagine British Politics would be in the state following the GE 2015? No. The whole Brexit process has literally brought the worst out of the politicians and democracy. Labour are an absolute burning pile of turd. They really are. Clueless and directionless. They've become a shitter version of BNP/UKIP if that was even possible. 

Sadly, it's really the Lib Dems who's spending plan looks the more realistic out of the mainstream parties, but for them not to honour democracy and cancel Brexit totally discredits them (regardless of how people voted in that referendum). So sadly the current landscape is who is lesser evil?

Conservatives are probably in the worst position they've been since the early 00's. Only thing keeping them in is how bad the rest are. The Greens (who sadly are my current City's MP) are beyond bonkers. They will bankrupt this country and kill the economy. 

What we might see is if many more MP's go independent or current independents get more votes, we might see a hybrid of political ideologies that could work, though that said could create a bigger pile of turd. 

Voting wise, where does one really go?

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Post by BEL19VE on Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:25 am

Legendkiller wrote:Sadly, it's really the Lib Dems who's spending plan looks the more realistic out of the mainstream parties, but for them not to honour democracy and cancel Brexit totally discredits them (regardless of how people voted in that referendum). So sadly the current landscape is who is lesser evil?
So true.
I like the Lib Dems, and thought it was absurd how they took so much flak when they compromised in the national interest, UK did well 2010-2015.

But even as a remain voter their position on brexit is ridiculous. I believe a 2nd ref is undemocratic while revoke is a recipe for social unrest.

As BB said, anyone but labour basically means vote Tory. The only exception to that for me would be if I was in a constituency with an independent MP who had quit/been fired from their party. That takes balls.

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:49 am

BEL19VE wrote:
Legendkiller wrote:Sadly, it's really the Lib Dems who's spending plan looks the more realistic out of the mainstream parties, but for them not to honour democracy and cancel Brexit totally discredits them (regardless of how people voted in that referendum). So sadly the current landscape is who is lesser evil?
So true.
I like the Lib Dems, and thought it was absurd how they took so much flak when they compromised in the national interest, UK did well 2010-2015.

But even as a remain voter their position on brexit is ridiculous. I believe a 2nd ref is undemocratic while revoke is a recipe for social unrest.

As BB said, anyone but labour basically means vote Tory. The only exception to that for me would be if I was in a constituency with an independent MP who had quit/been fired from their party. That takes balls. 

I felt for the Lib Dems because they were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Was the closest they've gotten to Number 10 and the damage it did to their party once 2015 rolled round because their staunch voters were annoyed with the perceived 'sell out'. 5 years is a long time, so had they not formed the coalition, they risked lock out for even longer (more so when the Tories won the majority in 2015). Least with them on board, a referendum was out of the question (as they were pro EU). They managed to get the minimum earning tax threshold increased, but failed on their educational policies around tuition fees.

If they had Nick Clegg as leader now, they would seriously have a punchers chance. Sadly it's Jo and with that Brexit stance, kills them completely. 

The one thing the Tories are doing annoyingly well is having a clear purpose and direction: "we'll deliver Brexit, spend more on services and agree new trade deals" granted it's not spectacular, but it works. 

Labour it is so shocking how they are. When the leader bemoans "the high number of billionaires" the very people that will be bankrolling their spending splurge, it begs the question does this plonker have any clue what he is saying? I agree in the principle that yes corporation tax is somewhat of a joke, but in times of austerity you have to take the gamble not to tax them to generate investment and financial growth in the UK economy. If anything I'd like to see business rates reduced to properly grow UK companies. 

I do fear for this country as politics in recent time have stimulated and stirred some cultural feelings that have been long kept below the surface and are now really starting manifest itself in the public mainstream.

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Post by Daniel2 on Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:54 pm

Let's give 16 year olds the vote.  They've got da skills and da life experience to make da best judgements!

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Post by bogbrush on Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:39 pm

Daniel2 wrote:Let's give 16 year olds the vote.  They've got da skills and da life experience to make da best judgements!
I say give them to 8 year olds. And household pets too, saying otherwise is specist.

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:53 pm

Corbyn is a cheap communist, Boris is a joke. UK yearning for a proper leader.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:32 pm

Whoever comes through won't be as bad as what we have here.

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Post by bogbrush on Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:46 pm

Say what you like about our political leaders, one of them has high standard tits. 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jo+swinson&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwil96PU4urlAhXrXRUIHWHrD-oQ_AUIESgB&biw=1112&bih=1372&dpr=2

You can’t say that for many countries.

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Post by bogbrush on Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:47 pm

I suppose Canada has a high standard tit for PM.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:56 pm

lol...yeah.

What I like about the UK politics is that though you may have just over 50% of your MPs betraying their people, in France we have about 99% of them...if not all of them.

Ours know the damage is too great and it is too late to repair so they are just there to help themselves.

But I knew that before moving here and bizarely, while it lasts at least, we have a great way of life.


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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:57 pm

She has some decent boobs too. First time i'm seeing her.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:13 am

Jahu wrote:She has some decent boobs too. First time i'm seeing her.
I logged in, saw that you were the last one contributing to this thread, so decided to check what it is that you had to say on UK politics.  Glad to see it is very much on-brand.

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Post by Jahu on Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:11 am

Hahah, you got that right, so my thoughts on UK politics are exactly that: tits up.

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Post by legendkillar on Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:14 pm

Was listening to the Chief Executive of BT after Labour's promise of free WiFi. As if Labour couldn't fuck the country enough, they go the whole nine yards. 

All Tories have to do is show some common sense, though the thing with common sense, it's not that common!

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Post by bogbrush on Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:45 pm

Yeah, trouble is there's a fair few people who like voting for free stuff paid for by someone else.

Hopefully it's raining that day. Or something good is on the telly.

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Post by legendkillar on Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:30 pm

Given that the 'future' generations bemoan paying for 'past' generations mistakes or catastrophes, they seem more than willing to do the same to 'future' generations which I find all too amusing. 

I think fear and sense will win out. They must surely look at those spending plans and think "yup that will hit me" problem is Labour know they can't deliver those promises and if by some miracle they win, they know they'll be out the door after a first term. I'd fail to see Corbyn serve a term as PM as his own party would declare a vote of no confidence and spark an internal free for all to be PM. So if the spending plans aren't enough to sway voters, then look at them as party. No cohesion what so ever and it would be like watching a Jeremy Kyle episode. 

I can only hope one day I see a spending plan that doesn't read like a money burner.

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Post by bogbrush on Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:01 pm

I just hope one day to see a party elected who level with people and look to encourage competition in every field, not just in the public sector area but in making it easy to compete with big Corporate. And no false private sector garbage, like Crapits, which is just off balance sheet public sector outsourcing.

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