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Post by legendkillar on Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:36 am

He knows the score and has always known Wimbledon uses a different formula. 

He does have the right to be pissed off about it as his chances of winning being honest have been served a blow as potentially he has to face Federer and Djokovic to win rather than facing one guaranteed.

Conversely part of me says just get on with it. It's the hand your dealt. Embrace your "indominable" spirit!

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Post by barrystar on Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:02 am

Oooh I had assumed that Federer would be #3, not #2.  That makes a difference on paper - a Djoko vs. Nadal SF would be, interesting...

It should be possible to work out the seeding from what we know now, and other than from the purely partisan point of wanting to have a better chance (on paper) of winning, I can't see what Nadal would be complaining about.  Grass is a very different surface to the others, the season is very short, and Wimbledon have a v. clear published formula for seeding whereby they add extra value to points won on grass over the last two years.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:27 am

Team Nadal probably just putting pressure on organisers to give him as easy a draw in week one as possible.

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Post by naxroy on Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:32 am

noleisthebest wrote:Team Nadal probably just putting pressure on organisers to give him as easy a draw in week one as possible.


but draw is random (apart from the seed order)

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Post by Daniel2 on Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:06 pm

What's disrespectful is having so many clay court Masters tournaments on tour and no grass, you bell end.


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Post by Daniel2 on Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:07 pm

naxroy wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Team Nadal probably just putting pressure on organisers to give him as easy a draw in week one as possible.


but draw is random (apart from the seed order)

Do we ever see it drawn?

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Post by Daniel2 on Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:09 pm

legendkillar wrote:He knows the score and has always known Wimbledon uses a different formula. 

He does have the right to be pissed off about it as his chances of winning being honest have been served a blow as potentially he has to face Federer and Djokovic to win rather than facing one guaranteed.

Conversely part of me says just get on with it. It's the hand your dealt. Embrace your "indominable" spirit!

He doesn't have a right to be pissed off.  That formula is there because grass points are so skewed over the year and you can't have other surfaces dictating the greatest slam seedings in totalility. If there were equal grass points, then he might have a point.  He doesn't.  Just more self serving whinging from this utter clown.

Federer's seeding is correct for this tournament.

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Post by legendkillar on Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 pm

Daniel2 wrote:
legendkillar wrote:He knows the score and has always known Wimbledon uses a different formula. 

He does have the right to be pissed off about it as his chances of winning being honest have been served a blow as potentially he has to face Federer and Djokovic to win rather than facing one guaranteed.

Conversely part of me says just get on with it. It's the hand your dealt. Embrace your "indominable" spirit!

He doesn't have a right to be pissed off. 
That formula is there because grass points are so skewed over the year and you can't have other surfaces dictating the greatest slam seedings in totalility. If there were equal grass points, then he might have a point.  He doesn't.  Just more self serving whinging from this utter clown.

Federer's seeding is correct for this tournament.

He does. He has given an opinion. Doesn't mean he's right.

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Post by naxroy on Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:17 pm

he has an opinion and expressed it in a very calmed and respectful way

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Post by sphairistike on Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:38 pm

Does not matter, his opinion is pointless and he has known the system for the ~20 years he has been on tour or at least the past 15 years. This is the thing with Rafa, he has always been a bit of a baby/diva  diva Wanting a 2 year ranking system when it was helping his cause, or WTF to be played on clay, or generally more clay tournaments, now unhappy as his relatively poor results on grass as of "late" now mean he is seeded 3 instead of 2 (otherwise obv. he would not have complained)... There are already way too few grass tournaments, so it makes sense that the few that are played should count more than the mere points they get the players (there is not even a master 1000 ffs)  Thumbs Up

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Post by sphairistike on Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:40 pm

If anyone is being disrespectful, it is him. Wimbledon has its traditions and who does he think he is to try and change them?  Yikes

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Post by bogbrush on Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:44 pm

He can be as pissed off as he likes but it's staggeringly stupid. They've not exercised any subjectivity, they've applied the formula. What did he expect? Them to suspend it for him?

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Post by DEC1M8 on Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:02 pm

Don't mind Fed being #2, but Anderson seeded 4 shows the flaw in the system.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:13 pm

Wimbledon may be doing a few things wrong but this is not one of them.

At least (unlike RG), the first seed will play on day one not on day 3-4.

Let's hope LTA want a Fedal match so they have them in the same half.

Let's start putting bets on here who's going to have an easiest draw in week one?

Nadal's going to get injured grass players or Spaniards. 

But it doesn't really matter any more. 

So long as Nole lifts the trophy on that Sunday. 

IDEMOOOOOOOO! diva

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Post by legendkillar on Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:45 pm

bogbrush wrote:He can be as pissed off as he likes but it's staggeringly stupid. They've not exercised any subjectivity, they've applied the formula. What did he expect? Them to suspend it for him?

I think it was more hope than anything else that they would give him a favourable ranking. For me the timing of his comments aren't great given he hasn't participated in any grass events leading into it. 

Wants the same treatment other tournaments have bestowed on him. Can't have all your own way. 

I am sure he'll get over it as will the posters on this site (I hope!)

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Post by naxroy on Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:03 pm

I agree, he could have played but chose not to. Still he can express his opinion. At least he Is not throwing chairs or raquets to people

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Post by summerblues on Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:28 am

All his life he has had to cope with the adversity of having injuries and now this.

Poor boy.

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Post by bogbrush on Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:52 am

Anyway, it's confirmed now.

Hopefully we get the right draw now and Federer can have the smoother run.

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Post by barrystar on Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:05 pm

Fingers cross for Nadal to be on the same side of the draw as Djokovic...

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Post by legendkillar on Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:15 pm

Well Dustin Brown bit the dust in the qualifiers....

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Post by Daniel2 on Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:51 pm

It's ok there's lots more rank 100s to take the one trick pony out.

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Post by summerblues on Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:40 am

Somehow I do not expect all Big Three to make the SF.  And if they do not, the seeing is of much lesser importance.

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Post by barrystar on Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:20 am

summerblues wrote:Somehow I do not expect all Big Three to make the SF.  And if they do not, the seeing is of much lesser importance.

Not in every situation.  If its Djokovic and Nadal who make it to the SF whilst world #1 and #2 but seeded #1 and #3 and they are on the same side of the draw the seeding is arguably of even greater importance.  And no, we would not hear the end of it.

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Post by Slippy on Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:50 pm

It’s clearly not disrespectful. That’s total nonsense. I do have a little bit of sympathy though because of the inconsistency. He gets bumped down by Wimbledon but, when his ranking is lower, RG refuse to bump him up. My view is that it’s RG who should change though, not Wimbledon.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:02 pm

Slippy wrote:It’s clearly not disrespectful. That’s total nonsense. I do have a little bit of sympathy though because of the inconsistency. He gets bumped down by Wimbledon but, when his ranking is lower, RG refuse to bump him up. My view is that it’s RG who should change though, not Wimbledon.
RG have been giving Nadal easy draws for years, no seeding could beat that favour.
Wimbledon, too took all the potential landmines last year, and I expect nothing different this year.

And he still won't win it.

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Post by bogbrush on Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:37 pm

It's the rules, known about by everyone for years.

There is no question of respect.

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Post by Jahu on Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:43 pm

He wasnt bitching when he had 3 days off and other were playing 2-3 day matches at RG few weeks ago.

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Post by Daniel2 on Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:08 pm

Look, what are people missing here?

There aren't enough grass points in a year to properly work out the correct rankings for the players.  Nadal is a self serving bellend who has nothing to say about the reason the altered rankings exist in the first place!

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Post by naxroy on Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:57 pm

bogbrush wrote:It's the rules, known about by everyone for years.

There is no question of respect.


Do you know how long ago those rules exist?
do you know what was it like before those rules?

do you know what happened so that those rules were implemented?

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:27 pm

naxroy wrote:
bogbrush wrote:It's the rules, known about by everyone for years.

There is no question of respect.


Do you know how long ago those rules exist?
do you know what was it like before those rules?

do you know what happened so that those rules were implemented?

1) 17 years ago
2) Day was still called Day as Night was still called Night. So nothing was massively different, apart from I was younger. 
3) Who knows!

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Post by barrystar on Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:51 am

naxroy wrote:
bogbrush wrote:It's the rules, known about by everyone for years.

There is no question of respect.


Do you know how long ago those rules exist?
do you know what was it like before those rules?

do you know what happened so that those rules were implemented?

1. My recollection is consistent with lk's post
2. There was a seeding committee who exercised their discretion and only 16 seeds, so someone who was, say, #11 in the world largely on the strength of success on the clay and slower surfaces might find himself unseeded and drawn against a very fancied high seed whilst a guy several places below him in the world ranking would have a much more favourable draw because he was seen as a good grass court player
3. Leading clay players said they'd stop going to Wimbledon since the system was opaque and they were not being seeded commensurate with the ranking that their year-long efforts had earned so they were being knocked out early on and could not see the point in subjecting themselves to such treatment on a surface they were not particularly comfortable on anyway.  The ATP (and WTA presumably) and Wimbledon agreed on a more transparent system.  Whether at about the same time, or earlier, I don't recall, the seeds went up from 16 to 32 so high-ranked clay-courters whose seeding was below their ranking were still more protected from bruising early round encounters than in the past.  It is also the case that the conditions on grass became less uneven, low-bouncing, and greasy at about the beginning of the 2000's too - but whether that was by design is, of course, a source of debate.

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Post by bogbrush on Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:39 am

naxroy wrote:
bogbrush wrote:It's the rules, known about by everyone for years.

There is no question of respect.


Do you know how long ago those rules exist?
do you know what was it like before those rules?

do you know what happened so that those rules were implemented?
Yes, yes, and yes.

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Post by summerblues on Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:01 am

summerblues wrote:Somehow I do not expect all Big Three to make the SF.
Idiot

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Post by barrystar on Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:15 pm

Well Wimbledon showed Nadal that there is method in their madness this tournament.  The pecking order of the top 3 is currently Djoko/Fed/Nadal away from clay, and Nadal/Djoko/Fed on the dirt.

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