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Post by gallery play on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:08 pm

The guy looks like Federer, same haircut, type of skin, same eye color, same clothes, same sponsor, same racket. The sweatband? Of course only one: on his right arm. I bet he plays with the same strings and string tension too. He moves the same between the points, acts the same, has the same rhythm, same service motion, same pre service routine and has the same grip. What about his shots? SHBH, what else? Same BH technique, the squash shot, FH dropshot: it’s all there. And what’s his habit waiting for the serve? Yes: twisting his racket, like you know who.

Holy cow: he’s imitating Federer! Surely there’s nothing wrong with a player who reminds me much of the greatest of all time but i’m worried for Grigor. I seems like he focuses too much on his idol (well, i assume it is his idol, who can argue with that?). Who is he, what’s his identity? We don’t know, he’s baby Federer.

I like Grigor but I’m worried that he’ll always remain baby Federer because in each and every department of the game he’s not as good as Federer senior. If he wants to reach to the very top he’ll need to improve almost every part of his game. Or get himself a monstrous fitness. But that will never happen, because he’s baby Federer

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Post by legendkillar on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:13 pm

The only downside is that his FH is really weak. The BH looks like Federer, the BH slice looks like Federer. However he lacks the precision serve and the FH of the maestro.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:14 pm

If only he could play like him....as he is, he's like his shadow, definitely needs to fill out for the style he wants to play. He'll be better when that happens, reminds me of Nole when he was young & skinny.
He also lacks a bit of cockiness.
Copying Fed's looks was not a good idea. all fluff and not substance as I said of somebody else a long time ago....

Also, regarding the imitation, he's come a long way from these days Dimitrov    1071211947:

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:02 pm

He might be copying Federer but when woudl he have most likely tried to copy him at the earliest? 2004? As a 13yo? possible. He did well to copy him and then win WImbledon Juniors a few years later.

Copying is one thing but one needs the talent to keep pulling those SHBHs.

I see the main difference being the mouvement. Grigor has a strong upper body and thin legs which means his footwork is much heavier.

Federer's footwork, very similar to Borg is really what has allowed him to play that amazing tennis. Being pinpoint placed on every shot.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:21 pm

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:35 pm

I see.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:35 pm

Tenez wrote:I see.
what do you see?

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Post by Larry Ellison on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:36 pm

Is there some sort of secret code language going on here. Yikes

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:36 pm

nothing actually. It was a bit of humour in response to your post. Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:38 pm

Tenez wrote:nothing actually. It was a bit of humour in response to your post. Dimitrov    1071211947
oh, that...just me not knowing how to delete my comment I posted on the wrong thread Dimitrov    2998105013

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:40 pm

But to go back to GP's OP, I completely agree that Dimi needs to find his way. One cannot be successful by being the shadow or the replica of an idol, regardless how good is that idol.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:51 pm

And when younger, Federer was telling his coach...hey look I can hit a FH like Becker, then another day saying he could hit a FH like Pete but his coach kept on teaching him the classic way and develop his own variations.

I am sure Dimi is also trying to pull away from Roger or at least try to clear his head of the great champion but it might not be that easy. Fed is a "classic" player and that means he must be strongly influence on those who would have naturally been very similar to him even if they'd not known him.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:00 pm

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Post by Larry Ellison on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:08 pm

I see.

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Post by Veejay on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:26 pm

Lundgren reckons he is a lot better then Federer was at the same age,but that was a few years back,there hasnt been that much improvement in the last 2 seasons
The gift is there,but he is very cocky and seems to have a bit of an attitude problem
The shot he made at Basel this week is definitely the shot of the season

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:28 pm

There's no way he's better than Fed at any stage, he lacks guts to start with.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:34 pm

Amritia3ee wrote:Is there some sort of secret code language going on here. Dimitrov    563610107
yes... Dimitrov    123628122

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:40 pm

noleisthebest wrote:There's no way he's better than Fed at any stage, he lacks guts to start with.

It is possible that Dimi plays better than Federer did at the same age and it is very likely that Dimi will reach a more efficient tennis than Federer did like Murray, Nadal and Djoko are also playing a tennis that is as efficient as Federer's.

The question is will Dimi be better than his peers like Federer is/was? Don't think so.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:42 pm

Dimi is 21.
He'll definitely get better once he gains upper body strenght, but in the meantime, he'd better start wearing a pony tail Dimitrov    1071211947

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:47 pm

I think he is very strong from the upper body. It's the legs that need strengthening.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:49 pm

Tenez wrote:I think he is very strong from the upper body. It's the legs that need strengthening.
I couldn't tell from his backhand...legs are pretty bad, no twinkletoes there...

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Post by laverfan on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:01 pm

He played a terrible match. Serving for the first set and putting mid-court balls to be hammered away.

Last year another young 'un, Nishikori played much better at Basel, IIRC, than Dimitrov this year.

He seems to be unable to emulate Federer's calm demeanour despite the copying of other elements.

AO 2012 had some good matches from him.


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Post by gallery play on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:04 pm

I also think the legs/footwork is the problem. It's disappointing because 4 years ago (when he beat Berdych and gave Nadal a hard time in Rotterdam) this already was his main weakness. It's not like this is something he can't improve.



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Post by gallery play on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:05 pm

Veejay wrote:
The shot he made at Basel this week is definitely the shot of the season

I missed that, is it on youtube?

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Post by gallery play on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:08 pm


I remember this match, this clip tells the whole story about his legs...he seems drunk at times

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:35 pm

he was an addidas/Head boy then. Looks like some marketing/PR tried to develop that Baby Fed image.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:42 pm

Tenez wrote:he was an addidas/Head boy then. Looks like some marketing/PR tried to develop that Baby Fed image.

Can anyone imagine a baby Nadal ? Dimitrov    563610107

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:48 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:he was an addidas/Head boy then. Looks like some marketing/PR tried to develop that Baby Fed image.

Can anyone imagine a baby Nadal ? Dimitrov    563610107

Granollers?

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Post by Larry Ellison on Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:49 pm

Lol Grannolers really doesn't play much like Nadal.
Technique is totally different.

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Post by Veejay on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:03 am

gallery play wrote:
Veejay wrote:
The shot he made at Basel this week is definitely the shot of the season

I missed that, is it on youtube?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAkvegtPyw&feature=player_embedded

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:10 am

Amritia3ee wrote:Lol Grannolers really doesn't play much like Nadal.
Technique is totally different.

That's why he's a baby Nadal. He's still learning...

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:40 am

Veejay wrote:Lundgren reckons he is a lot better then Federer was at the same age,but that was a few years back,there hasnt been that much improvement in the last 2 seasons
The gift is there,but he is very cocky and seems to have a bit of an attitude problem
The shot he made at Basel this week is definitely the shot of the season

Lundgren was just trying to throw up some encouraging words for the young man. Or maybe he even saw him as a better player at that age. Its not necessary that if someone at a certain age is a better player, he will remain a better player even few years down the line. This is more true for young players.

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Post by gallery play on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:07 am

Veejay wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Veejay wrote:
The shot he made at Basel this week is definitely the shot of the season

I missed that, is it on youtube?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAkvegtPyw&feature=player_embedded

thnx! Nice one, although i think he hit it on his frame. Can't blame him though Dimitrov    364988687

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