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Post by bogbrush on Sun Jul 15, 2018 4:49 pm

Bravo to the US Open for finally getting a handle on ridiculous delays. Djokovic was outrageous in the final, routinely turning in 17 ball bounces while the opponent has to stand prepared to receive.

It’s cheating plain and simple. The receiver is put at a serious disadvantage.

All I hope is that the Umpires aren’t given discretion.


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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:22 pm

I agree.

Just upsets me that we have to have a machine do the job of an umpire.

Why?

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Post by Daniel on Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:10 pm

The umpires have made it clear that they aren't going to do their job - so technology should do it for them.  It's practically replacing them regardless.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:57 pm

Yeah, with shot clock and Hawkeye we can pretty much do away with them. The score can be announced as it is updated by recorded voice.

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Post by legendkillar on Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:04 pm

I think once the clock reaches zero the offending player should be tazered by the clock!

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:59 pm

Hahahahah git

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:37 pm

Are we sure the USO will be using the shot clock in the main draw? I am hearing they will, but worried I will be disappointed. I remember seeing some articles before the AO suggesting the same, but they did not use it in the main draw.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:29 am

summerblues wrote:Are we sure the USO will be using the shot clock in the main draw?  I am hearing they will, but worried I will be disappointed.  I remember seeing some articles before the AO suggesting the same, but they did not use it in the main draw.

According to the below they will.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/sports/us-open-serve-clock.html

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Post by Slippy on Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:40 am

noleisthebest wrote:I agree.

Just upsets me that we have to have a machine do the job of an umpire.

Why?
Agree with this. The rule should have been simple to enforce. One warning the very first time a player goes over the time limit, penalties for every time thereafter. None of this “soft warning” nonsense or looking at the average over a long period of time. Hit Nadal will a warning first point and a serve penalty second point and he will swiftly realise his gamesmanship is no longer tolerated. 

I don’t think people who don’t play tennis fully understand how effective this type of gamesmanship is. When I play tennis, I have various trigger movements to get myself set (which will be the same as the pros). If someone is constantly changing the number of times they bounce the ball it’s near impossible to get properly set. Similarly, if you are playing at a certain speed and suddenly, on a break point, the server takes much longer it is very off-putting.

There obviously will need to be some umpire discretion for crowd antics etc. However, the fact the crowd will now be able to see the timer will force the umpires to actually do their job properly. I can already see the reaction of the crowd in a Fedal match at the US Open if a time violation isn’t enforced!

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:49 am

I do think the shot clock will have very little impact, if any at all.
NAdal and Djokovic (the 2 players everyone will be looking at in this case) won't have any problems in the openingrounds. It should get interesting when they play each other (like saturday, i clocked Nadal twice at 38 secs the very first game), or when they meet an in form Federer. 

But the crux here is:

The chair umpire will run the 25-second clock and will be given leeway to delay the start of it in certain situations: after a particularly long point late in a grueling match, in hot and steamy conditions, or if there is a fan disturbance, for example.

In a Nadal-Djokovic match most ref's will continuously fall back to this and keep both players happy, that's my expectation

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:51 am

Slippy wrote:I don’t think people who don’t play tennis fully understand how effective this type of gamesmanship is.
fully agree
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Post by naxroy on Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:45 pm

gallery play wrote:I do think the shot clock will have very little impact, if any at all.
NAdal and Djokovic (the 2 players everyone will be looking at in this case) won't have any problems in the openingrounds. It should get interesting when they play each other (like saturday, i clocked Nadal twice at 38 secs the very first game), or when they meet an in form Federer. 

But the crux here is:

The chair umpire will run the 25-second clock and will be given leeway to delay the start of it in certain situations: after a particularly long point late in a grueling match, in hot and steamy conditions, or if there is a fan disturbance, for example.

In a Nadal-Djokovic match most ref's will continuously fall back to this and keep both players happy, that's my expectation

Well done by umpires

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:57 pm

They haven't done anything yet!

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Post by Daniel on Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:24 pm

I think naxroy means well done that they will continue to just break their own rules to help Nadal.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:00 pm

There are quite a few players that meke a meal out of their serving prep, to me, Nadal and Sharapova are the worst with their rituals...I would hate to play them. It’s simple bad manners if nothing else to keep you opponent waiting.

Nole with his extra bouncing, Cilic, too are a pain...there is no need for that. 

And while I am at it, get rid of on court towelling...

I can’t see how the clock is going to actually work, will it sound after 25 seconds automatically and deduce 1st serve followed by a point?
That’s how I’d do it...it would sort the problem pronto.

The other day I was watching video clips on Wimbledon website and they had a vintage one of Rosol vs Nadal...a record 38 seconds long service game from the legend.

The fact Nole looked quite irritated when asked by the journos at Queens about it, may suggest the clock is not just going to be a token at USO.

We’ll see....though it’s hard for me to imagine even the clock stop Nadal from his time abuse...if they really wanted to curb it, they could have done it long time ago.

Look how quickly they changed the mum’s rule for Serena!

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:23 pm

Daniel wrote:I think naxroy means well done that they will continue to just break their own rules to help Nadal.

Laugh . 
I think i found your antithesis on twitter. He is hilarious. https://twitter.com/JonKramerT
You don't have twitter do you?

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Post by Daniel on Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:06 pm

Laugh

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:43 pm

My favourite quote he did was along the lines of, 'Federer should have won max 4 slams. The rest he got lucky, players were injured, easy draws' etc.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:40 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
summerblues wrote:Are we sure the USO will be using the shot clock in the main draw?  I am hearing they will, but worried I will be disappointed.  I remember seeing some articles before the AO suggesting the same, but they did not use it in the main draw.

According to the below they will.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/sports/us-open-serve-clock.html
All right, let's hope they enforce it properly.  I am cautiously optimistic - extra waiting between serves is not too good for TV, so they have some incentive to fight it.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:43 am

noleisthebest wrote:Nole with his extra bouncing, Cilic, too are a pain...there is no need for that. 
Delpo is horrible too.

noleisthebest wrote:And while I am at it, get rid of on court towelling...
Indeed.  I will never forget seeing Roddick towel himself after his opponent's DF.  Otherms may have done it too, but Roddick was the first one where I saw it - I was flabbergasted.

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Post by bogbrush on Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:10 am

I seem to recall it was Grinnin’ Greg who was first with the towel mania. Anyone know of an earlier one?

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Re: Shot clock

Post by naxroy on Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:51 pm

and nadal won canada with shot clock

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Post by Slippy on Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:34 pm

I didn’t see much of Rafa’s matches in Canada. However I did watch the tiebreak in the final. It was notable that Rafa went over time twice that I saw (although only just) without any warning following.

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Post by naxroy on Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:51 pm

umpire´s decision

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Post by bogbrush on Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:33 pm

Actually I thought the whole point was that it wouldn’t be. 

Depends on whether it was rare and marginal I guess.

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Post by DEC1M7 on Fri Aug 17, 2018 6:33 pm

Nadal very rarely went to the final 5 seconds. Most of the time was ok with around 8 seconds or so to spare.

As for the 2 occasions B_S saw, he started his serve motion as the clock hit 0, and threw the ball perhaps 0.5 seconds later. I guess he could have got a warning (marginal), but then it's so easy to serve on time with the clock staring at you, I doubt he will ever get 2 violations and lose his first serve.

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Post by bogbrush Yesterday at 1:33 pm

Good, so it was never necessary.

Should have been brought in 10 years ago. The 35 seconds, or worse, delays have been a blight on the sport,

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