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Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Tue May 22, 2018 11:13 pm

luvsports! wrote:Was about to do a post on this but saw that this thread was here so I thought better of it.
Imo, the names who could trouble Rafa.
http://richard-mills-sports.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/can-anyone-stop-rafael-nadal-from.html
Yo brooo!!!!!

Nice one.

You have progressed from Apple Tango to Proseco! Winking

You know me....I am a tough critic... Thumbs Up

I had to chuckle at the mention of Chung (how much did Tenez pay you to mention him?)

And of course the Norrie guy...if ever there was a dark horse!!!

Anyway, when I start thinking about who may beat Nadal, I can’t wait for RG to finish...
But you know what...maybe all this will work like some super jinx...you know the end is nigh when I say Nadal is favourite... Wah

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Tue May 22, 2018 11:19 pm

Jahu wrote:No he is not going  to Paris for that. More of a I hope I'll do good in Paris and by W even better.

Don't think he is fond of that trophy much, it started his downhill  Laugh

No way. He is going to Paris for trophy. He doesn’t know any ither way.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed May 23, 2018 12:51 am

naxroy wrote:We all have the same few names on mind but I have the feeling that maybe someone totally unherad of may do it


in the end, it has to happen someday
I think it has to be a team effort. If he plays multiple players who can tire him (los picadores) , then one will slay him with the muleta!

Ole!

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by summerblues on Wed May 23, 2018 3:05 am

bogbrush wrote:Would Fed get a place if he applied now?
We all know and say that it would be crazy for Fed to play, and that we do not want him to.  Yet, deep down, we all wish he played...

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by summerblues on Wed May 23, 2018 3:16 am

noleisthebest wrote:I had to chuckle at the mention of Chung (how much did Tenez pay you to mention him?)
I think that if healthy, Chung has as good a chance as anyone (still a long shot, of course).

He plays the right kind of game - steady off both wings, defends well.  He played really well vs Zverev up to 4:1 in the first set (and that with Zverev himself playing well too).  He then started making too many errors, but he may have had health issues.

He is just the right height - taller than Goffin and Nishi (who are too short) and shorter than Zverev (who is too tall).  He is the same height as Nole, and has a little more firepower.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Jahu on Wed May 23, 2018 8:14 am

luvsports! wrote:Was about to do a post on this but saw that this thread was here so I thought better of it.
Imo, the names who could trouble Rafa.
http://richard-mills-sports.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/can-anyone-stop-rafael-nadal-from.html

This so called Richard Mills has no clue on tennis, been reading him lately  Laugh Laugh

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Jahu on Wed May 23, 2018 8:16 am

I agree that 2 long tough heavy big hitter matches in a row for Rafa might be his end at RG. Don't think he is at even 90% of last years form.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by naxroy on Wed May 23, 2018 10:29 am

Chung wont play Roland Garros

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Wed May 23, 2018 10:39 am

summerblues wrote:
I think that if healthy, Chung has as good a chance as anyone (still a long shot, of course
It’s all nice in theory, but when was Chung last healthy and fit? (in NextGen WTF last November, btw).

He is the new Nishi minus Nishi’s talent.

He comes actoss as a player who can’t physically string more than 3-4 matches.
He is too heavy to be playing Nole’s game.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed May 23, 2018 10:50 am

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:
I think that if healthy, Chung has as good a chance as anyone (still a long shot, of course
It’s all nice in theory, but when was Chung last healthy and fit? (in NextGen WTF last November, btw).
No. When he beat Nole at the AO earlier!

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Wed May 23, 2018 11:00 am

And what happened in the next match?
He retired with blisters....

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed May 23, 2018 11:13 am

noleisthebest wrote:And what happened in the next match?
He retired with blisters....
If he can take Rafa out and retire the next match, I am happy.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Wed May 23, 2018 11:42 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:And what happened in the next match?
He retired with blisters....
If he can take Rafa out and retire the next match, I am happy.

I forgot about that!
Still, as we heard, he isn't even playing RG...It'll have to be Norrie! Big Grin

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed May 23, 2018 11:57 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:And what happened in the next match?
He retired with blisters....
If he can take Rafa out and retire the next match, I am happy.

I forgot about that!
Still, as we heard, he isn't even playing RG...It'll have to be Norrie! Big Grin
Isn't Chung playing the French?

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by naxroy on Wed May 23, 2018 11:58 am

which is the hardest possible route you can imagine for Nadal?

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by naxroy on Wed May 23, 2018 11:59 am

naxroy wrote:Chung wont play Roland Garros

no he wont

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed May 23, 2018 12:13 pm

naxroy wrote:
naxroy wrote:Chung wont play Roland Garros

no he wont

Annoying I can see he retired from this week's tournament in spite of having won the first round 61 61.

he certainly has missed a lot of tournaments so far!

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed May 23, 2018 1:00 pm

Tenez wrote:
naxroy wrote:
naxroy wrote:Chung wont play Roland Garros

no he wont

Annoying I can see he retired from this week's tournament in spite of having won the first round 61 61.

he certainly has missed a lot of tournaments so far!
My mistake. He did not enter this week. He was projected to play but did not. The match I was referring to was 2 weeks ago in Munich.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Wed May 23, 2018 11:30 pm

Draw tomorrow at 7pm.

Current odds:

Rafael Nadal 1/2
Dominic Thiem 12/1
Novak Djokovic 12/1
Alexander Zverev 22/1
Juan Martin del Potro 22/1 (I thought he wasn't playing???)

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by summerblues on Thu May 24, 2018 4:04 am

naxroy wrote:Chung wont play Roland Garros
Oh No!  Our last best hope, our secret weapon, where are you?  Sad  Cry

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by summerblues on Thu May 24, 2018 4:12 am

naxroy wrote:which is the hardest possible route you can imagine for Nadal?
Rd 1:  Coric
Rd 2: Tsitsipas
Rd 3: Rublev
Rd 4: Djokovic (who would need to beat someone seeded above him to get there)
QF: Thiem
SF: Dimitrov (or maybe Goffin after beating someone seeding above him)
F: Zverev

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu May 24, 2018 6:31 am

summerblues wrote:
naxroy wrote:which is the hardest possible route you can imagine for Nadal?
Rd 1:  Coric
Rd 2: Tsitsipas
Rd 3: Rublev
Rd 4: Djokovic (who would need to beat someone seeded above him to get there)
QF: Thiem
SF: Dimitrov (or maybe Goffin after beating someone seeding above him)
F: Zverev

Even if this was the actual draw, I have very serious doubts Dimi and Zverev will make this far to face Nadal.

I would like to mix someone Nadal hasn't played before and has a strong but unique game. Tiafoe. I would have Fognini too somewhere in the path.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 8:48 am

I can guarantee one thing - Nadal will have an easy draw and Nole won’t.
Always has been always will be!

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by bogbrush on Thu May 24, 2018 9:51 am

summerblues wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Would Fed get a place if he applied now?
We all know and say that it would be crazy for Fed to play, and that we do not want him to.  Yet, deep down, we all wish he played...
That's what I was thinking.

I am imagining him secure in the opposite side, with Nadal facing Chung, Thiem, Zverev in increasingly arduous battles, scraping through to face afresh Fed in the final who uses a most aggressive approach to clean him out in three.

I would actually swap my much hoped for Champions League win for Liverpool for that!

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu May 24, 2018 10:55 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Even if this was the actual draw, I have very serious doubts Dimi and Zverev will make this far to face Nadal.
Agree for dimi...but why not Zverev? He has had bad results at slams in the past but doesn;t mean it will always be the case. Similar to his ability to beat Nadal on clay. You might have thought the case impossible 2 months ago...but by Rome he was a real threat to Nadal. At this age, things can change quickly.

I would like to mix someone Nadal hasn't played before and has a strong but unique game. Tiafoe. I would have Fognini too somewhere in the path.
Good point about Tifaoe. but in my view a good Goffin can do damages too...as frankly he should have beaten Zverev in Rome.


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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu May 24, 2018 10:57 am

Use underarm serves: https://www.news18.com/news/sports/underarm-serve-the-way-to-stop-rafael-nadal-when-all-else-fails-why-not-1758219.html?ref=hp_ht_pos_7

Th way Nadal stands 10m behind, this is not a bad ploy. Just that its considered too low among players that they never try it.

Give big moon-balls, high deep ones which are difficult to time.

You have to keep Nadal guessing and moving. Its difficult on clay, but this is the only way he can lose.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu May 24, 2018 10:59 am

Goffin lacks a good serve in the armory. He need to put some more spin to add some safety on shots. His fitness is also doubtful. Unless injury-free beating a fit Nadal on clay is out of question.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by gallery play on Thu May 24, 2018 11:01 am

summerblues wrote:
naxroy wrote:which is the hardest possible route you can imagine for Nadal?
Rd 1:  Coric
Rd 2: Tsitsipas
Rd 3: Rublev
Rd 4: Djokovic (who would need to beat someone seeded above him to get there)
QF: Thiem
SF: Dimitrov (or maybe Goffin after beating someone seeding above him)
F: Zverev
pfff, if this is his toughest route, why even bother?
Dimi won't get to the semi and with Nole there are no certainties either.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu May 24, 2018 11:01 am

bogbrush wrote:
summerblues wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Would Fed get a place if he applied now?
We all know and say that it would be crazy for Fed to play, and that we do not want him to.  Yet, deep down, we all wish he played...
That's what I was thinking.

I am imagining him secure in the opposite side, with Nadal facing Chung, Thiem, Zverev in increasingly arduous battles, scraping through to face afresh Fed in the final who uses a most aggressive approach to clean him out in three.

I would actually swap my much hoped for Champions League win for Liverpool for that!

Told you guys, that is the only challenge (Nadal in 5) left for Federer. Beating him there without even winning the FO would be nicer than another Wimby title.

I am pretty sure Fed would fancy that challenge except for the 6 matches he has to play beforehand.

Maybe next year if he (or both) goes down the ranking, he will have a go.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu May 24, 2018 11:05 am

gallery play wrote:
summerblues wrote:
naxroy wrote:which is the hardest possible route you can imagine for Nadal?
Rd 1:  Coric
Rd 2: Tsitsipas
Rd 3: Rublev
Rd 4: Djokovic (who would need to beat someone seeded above him to get there)
QF: Thiem
SF: Dimitrov (or maybe Goffin after beating someone seeding above him)
F: Zverev
pfff, if this is his toughest route, why even bother?
Dimi won't get to the semi and with Nole there are no certainties either.
I woudl sign for that....but with Nadal luck we are likely to have

1 - unknown qualifier, 2 - unknown qualifier, 3 - Berloq's finding form, 4th Smyczek ....

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by gallery play on Thu May 24, 2018 11:11 am

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:
summerblues wrote:
naxroy wrote:which is the hardest possible route you can imagine for Nadal?
Rd 1:  Coric
Rd 2: Tsitsipas
Rd 3: Rublev
Rd 4: Djokovic (who would need to beat someone seeded above him to get there)
QF: Thiem
SF: Dimitrov (or maybe Goffin after beating someone seeding above him)
F: Zverev
pfff, if this is his toughest route, why even bother?
Dimi won't get to the semi and with Nole there are no certainties either.
I woudl sign for that....but with Nadal luck we are likely to have

1 - unknown qualifier, 2 - unknown qualifier, 3 - Berloq's finding form,  4th Smyczek ....
Yeah, and don't forget the surprise finalist, type Anderson

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu May 24, 2018 11:15 am

An underarm serve can throw an opponent into a surprise. If standing 8m behind the BL is success formula for Nadal, his opponents have to drag him forward.

https://vimeo.com/266748395



https://www.braingametennis.com/whats-wrong-with-an-underarm-serve/

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu May 24, 2018 11:22 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:An underarm serve can throw an opponent into a surprise. If standing 8m behind the BL is success formula for Nadal, his opponents have to drag him forward.

https://vimeo.com/266748395



https://www.braingametennis.com/whats-wrong-with-an-underarm-serve/
For a couple of points maybe...but over 3 sets v Nadal? doubt it!

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu May 24, 2018 11:32 am

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:An underarm serve can throw an opponent into a surprise. If standing 8m behind the BL is success formula for Nadal, his opponents have to drag him forward.

https://vimeo.com/266748395



https://www.braingametennis.com/whats-wrong-with-an-underarm-serve/
For a couple of points maybe...but over 3 sets v Nadal? doubt it!

A couple of points can make or break a couple of sets, margins are very thin in tennis. Its adds some doubts in Nadal's mind, he can get uncomfortable and jittery and his plan is disrupted. Its totally worth to get those.

Else if Nadal gets what he wants (The BIG Chatrier court, slow clay and slow balls are already with him), the opponent has NO chance. Take a chance to win than a route with no chance at all.

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Post by naxroy on Thu May 24, 2018 12:45 pm

gallery play wrote:

Yeah, and don't forget the surprise finalist, type Anderson


or type djokovic or federer as it happened 16 times out of 23 finals

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by naxroy on Thu May 24, 2018 12:47 pm

Why would they give Chatrier to the 10 times champion and world number 1, right?

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by gallery play on Thu May 24, 2018 12:50 pm

naxroy wrote:
gallery play wrote:

Yeah, and don't forget the surprise finalist, type Anderson


or type djokovic or federer as it happened 16 times out of 23 finals
Who are the type Djokovices or Federers here? 

There aren't any, are they?


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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by gallery play on Thu May 24, 2018 12:54 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:An underarm serve can throw an opponent into a surprise. If standing 8m behind the BL is success formula for Nadal, his opponents have to drag him forward.

https://vimeo.com/266748395



https://www.braingametennis.com/whats-wrong-with-an-underarm-serve/
For a couple of points maybe...but over 3 sets v Nadal? doubt it!

A couple of points can make or break a couple of sets, margins are very thin in tennis. Its adds some doubts in Nadal's mind, he can get uncomfortable and jittery and his plan is disrupted. Its totally worth to get those.

Else if Nadal gets what he wants (The BIG Chatrier court, slow clay and slow balls are already with him), the opponent has NO chance. Take a chance to win than a route with no chance at all.
No one --besides Rosol Winking - has the balls to pull it off. They all know how much fuss Nadal would be making during and after the match. "Disrespectful", "very very bad", "bad for tennis"... blah blah blah

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 1:35 pm

gallery play wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:An underarm serve can throw an opponent into a surprise. If standing 8m behind the BL is success formula for Nadal, his opponents have to drag him forward.
https://vimeo.com/266748395
https://www.braingametennis.com/whats-wrong-with-an-underarm-serve/
For a couple of points maybe...but over 3 sets v Nadal? doubt it!
A couple of points can make or break a couple of sets, margins are very thin in tennis. Its adds some doubts in Nadal's mind, he can get uncomfortable and jittery and his plan is disrupted. Its totally worth to get those.
Else if Nadal gets what he wants (The BIG Chatrier court, slow clay and slow balls are already with him), the opponent has NO chance. Take a chance to win than a route with no chance at all.
No one --besides Rosol Winking - has the balls to pull it off. They all know how much fuss Nadal would be making during and after the match. "Disrespectful", "very very bad", "bad for tennis"... blah blah blah
I thought along the same lines!
Only Czechs are crazy enough - Stepanek, Klizan...

Everyone else is so servile it makes me sick.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by gallery play on Thu May 24, 2018 2:26 pm

the good news is that Nadal also returns like this on grass. So anyone with a decent volley and a brain can take him out. Which is always a pleasant view. On grass he can not inject the same amount of spin and should be too late to the right position to play the rally. The right position on grass that is.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 3:41 pm

gallery play wrote:the good news is that Nadal also returns like this on grass. So anyone with a decent volley and a brain can take him out. Which is always a pleasant view. On grass he can not inject the same amount of spin and should be too late to the right position to play the rally. The right position on grass that is.

I think Nadal doesn't have a chance on grass any more.
Many players can take him out now in week one, so many it's difficult to even rig a draw for him! Big Grin

The thing that annoys me is how scared everyone is of him, I can only think the players are either thick or are brainwashed by ATP to worship him "who has done so much for tennis", almost as if he is putting bread on their table.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 4:02 pm

naxroy wrote:
gallery play wrote:

Yeah, and don't forget the surprise finalist, type Anderson

or type djokovic or federer as it happened 16 times out of 23 finals
The key is how many times had to go trough both Federer and Djokovic in the semis en route to his finals.
Especially in USO (or AO?Wimbledon for that matter...)


And I am sure Nole faced Fedal (or "big 3") in finals more than Nadal.
He never had cakewalk finals like Nadal, eg Berdych in Wimbledon '10, last USO etc.


Nadal has been a very protected player from very early on.

So much so, I am convinced he actually hands in the list of players he doesn't want to face in his draw to TDs.
Toni must have done so much backstage elbowing for his nephew...all in the name of The Show, of course. Winking

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by bogbrush on Thu May 24, 2018 4:30 pm

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:An underarm serve can throw an opponent into a surprise. If standing 8m behind the BL is success formula for Nadal, his opponents have to drag him forward.

https://vimeo.com/266748395



https://www.braingametennis.com/whats-wrong-with-an-underarm-serve/
For a couple of points maybe...but over 3 sets v Nadal? doubt it!
The trick isn't to win the points, it's to cause him to play a different game. If he decides he has to step in you've already "won" on game plan, and hopefully other points will follow if you get a good first serve in to him standing in.

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 6:32 pm

Live updates on RG draw.

First pair drawn - Nadal-Dolgo!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/05/24/french-open-2018-draw-live-updates/

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by DEC1M7 on Thu May 24, 2018 6:39 pm

SHAPAVALOV

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 6:45 pm

Here we go, “Nadal’s path to glory”:

R1: Dolgopolov
R2: Sousa/Pella
R3: Gasquet
R4: Shapovalov/Sock
QF: Schwartzman/Anderson
SF: Cilic
F:   Zverev




Let’s see....how many wins vs Nadal do all these players have put together...on any surface?




Zverev, Thiem and Nole all in the same half...now what a surprise that is!

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 6:51 pm

Projected r4:


Nadal-Sock
Schwartzman-Anderson
Cilic-Edmund (would be a repeat of the Australian Open semi-final)
Isner-del Potro
Goffin-Carreno Busta
Bautista Agut-Dimitrov
Thiem-Querrey
Pouille-A. Zverev

Maaaan, this is looking so weak I can’t believe it!


only to be topped by even weaker QFs...Wah



1] Nadal vs [6] Anderson

[3] Cilic vs [5] Del Potro

[8] Goffin vs [4] Dimitrov

[7] Thiem vs [2] A. Zverev

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 24, 2018 7:05 pm

Nole’s route:

R1 – qualifier (I bet it’s going to be Klizan!)
R2 – David Ferrer
R3 – Roberto Bautista Agut
R4 – Grigor Dimitrov
1/4 final – David Goffin
1/2 final – Dominic Thiem /Alexandar Zverev
final - Rafael Nadal

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by DEC1M7 on Thu May 24, 2018 7:07 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Nole’s route:

R1 – qualifier (I bet it’s going to be Klizan!)
R2 – David Ferrer
R3 – Roberto Bautista Agut
R4 – Grigor Dimitrov
1/4 final – David Goffin
1/2 final – Dominic Thiem /Alexandar Zverev
final - Rafael Nadal
Tasty draw Whistle

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Re: Roland Garros 2018 + The Draw

Post by naxroy on Thu May 24, 2018 8:16 pm

Happy that the most prestigious slam is only a couple of days ahead of us

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