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Post by bogbrush on Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:46 am

i was wondering whether anyone has ever won a Slam while meeting nobody higher than the #24 seed. Anyone know?

It really is the most staggeringly easy run to a title I can remember,

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Post by Slippy on Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:16 am

Sampras won three wimbledons without facing a top 16 player but looks like he always faced someone higher than 24. I doubt its happened since the move to 32 seeds.

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Re: Nadal breaking record at the USO?

Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:26 am

To be fair in this from, on this surface only 3 or 4 guys could have beaten him...but they were all injured.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:58 am

To be fair to truth, the draw was heavily rigged.

All the players that beat Nadal recently were far away from him - Kyrgios, Pouille, Shapivalov...didn't check but probably Fognini, as well.

So, another fake trophy.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:03 pm

Rigged....to help Nadal not sure but I woudl not be surprised they organised it so we had a max chance of a Nadal federer match. And the best way to guarantee that is to put them in the same draw and slow down the conds. In particular big balls with a good share of sand.

Hopefully Anderson can put things right. More wishful think than anything but hey.....

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:10 pm

Tbh, I don't care even if he wins on Sunday and all slams in the next two years.

The point is to shout what a cheat he is from the rooftops.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:22 pm

Who cares. If he wins, he deserved it. Focus on no20 for Feds Big Grin

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Post by bogbrush on Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:37 pm

Yeah, my interest in the stat is mainly because on the face of it you'd say Nadal is back to winning Slams off clay and extrapolate forward but in truth this win is about as instructive as a poorly attended 250 event.

Still a Siam but it means any judgement about projecting the future has to be conditional.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:47 pm

Rafa was in the final of AO where a well playing Fed beat him by a whisker, was in the final in Miami and who knows how far he would have gone in IW if Fed did not beat him there. Easy draw or not, he is looking better this year than he has for a while. On top of that, his clay court season results were also the best in a few years. Win or lose tomorrow, if he plays like this he has all the chance to win multiple slams next year. My hope is he is 31 and will not be able to sustain it much longer.


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Post by summerblues on Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:47 pm

Where is Djokovic when you need him? Winking

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Re: Nadal breaking record at the USO?

Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:51 pm

[ltr]It's very annoying and i feel like smashing murray around the head.
He only had to do one thing right and it meant not taking part
and he even managed to fuck that up, the stupid sock[/ltr]



One slam off clay for Nadal (if he wins) since 2013 - with the easiest draw possible - is hardly being back to winning ways off clay. He's lucked out.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:06 pm

summerblues wrote:Where is Djokovic when you need him? Winking
Indeed, you can see I'm trying to revive him! Big Grin


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Post by summerblues on Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:20 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:Where is Djokovic when you need him? Winking
Indeed, you can see I'm trying to revive him! Big Grin
He had better be up and running by AO18.  Federer is too fragile in his old age to be able to rely on him being good for any given tournament.

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Re: Nadal breaking record at the USO?

Post by bogbrush on Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:12 pm

Either that or Nafal gets drawn against good players. Surely his draws have got to get tougher than in this year?

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Re: Nadal breaking record at the USO?

Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:56 pm

He has had so many easy draws over the years.

Remember when he was number 2 and Nalby was number 3......Nadal never had to face him for 2 or 3 years!!!.....we had to wait 2007 for finally have an encounter and Nalby beat him twice in a row convincingly..Madrid and Paris! Nalby was always on Fed's side in slams.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:57 am

The draw is just a part of the "problem". As long as Nadal can play under these conditions, he'll be a thread regardless the draw. Where most players end up exhausted in the last stages (as a result of playing marathons under slow conditions), Nadal shines. 

If TD's want Nadal to break the slam record, they will come a long way. I never forget that Krajicek revealed he got Nadal on the entry list of Rotterdam by letting NAdal to decide which ball was used that tournement. That's how things work.

So yes: i think SB is asking the right question: where is Nole when you need him? Because it seems there are not too many hurdels between Nadal and a few more slam titles.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:25 am

gallery play wrote:The draw is just a part of the "problem". As long as Nadal can play under these conditions, he'll be a thread regardless the draw. Where most players end up exhausted in the last stages (as a result of playing marathons under slow conditions), Nadal shines. 
Conditions are only part of the package.
If it was conditions only, TDs would not have been removing Nole from him in 12 consecutive slams. And not just Nole but many other (for Nadal) dangerous players.
Esp in week one of slams.
gallery play wrote:
If TD's want Nadal to break the slam record, they will come a long way. I never forget that Krajicek revealed he got Nadal on the entry list of Rotterdam by letting NAdal to decide which ball was used that tournement. That's how things work.
There you go!
But Nadal supporting masses a la Amri can't even comprehend what that means. What's a 2mm larger ball?
What's a 10-15 seconds extra between the points?
We are all Federerer moaning minnies because he can't beat their hero.

It's a joke.

That's why I am not too bothered. Thickos will be thickos. Sorry, but even that has to be said.
It is now getting more and more important to stand up for truth.

And it's nothing personal.
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So yes: i think SB is asking the right question: where is Nole when you need him? Because it seems there are not too many hurdels between Nadal and a few more slam titles.
Yes, it would be good to see old Nole come back. He alone had the balls to stand up to Nadal from day one.
Not sure he can and will. The boa constrictor of his wife etc has got her claws too deeply in his soul.
But I do believe in miracles so....

COME BACK NOLEEEEE!!!!!

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Post by naxroy on Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:35 am

Maybe nole's wife is also part of Nadal's evil plan!

Some of you people are really funny

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:45 am

naxroy wrote:Maybe nole's wife is also part of Nadal's evil plan!

Some of you people are really funny

Spiritually speaking, it is actually very likely.
Except that it's not really about Nadal, the tennis player from a small Spanish island.

It's not easy to keep spiritual conversation in tennis threads, but from time to time, I can't help "overflowing".


Nadal himself is a strange case, though. And for me just fascinating to observe what different costumes evil can get dressed in.

I have nothing against your enjoying him as your compatriot. That's quite logical, it would be weird otherwise, though me, being a Serb, really don't like Tipsarevic for example.

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Re: Nadal breaking record at the USO?

Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:58 am

Again completely agree with GP. In Cincy or Montreal Nadal never felt safe... He did not need a good draw to lose to unseeded player.. In fact he did not feel safe when he arrived at the USO either. Only when he realised he could outlast anybody and no one could hit through him that his confidence rocketed.

Very lucky in a way as Nadal is not even the best on those slow cons... But those who are are injured.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:34 am

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:The draw is just a part of the "problem". As long as Nadal can play under these conditions, he'll be a thread regardless the draw. Where most players end up exhausted in the last stages (as a result of playing marathons under slow conditions), Nadal shines. 
Conditions are only part of the package.
If it was conditions only, TDs would not have been removing Nole from him in 12 consecutive slams. And not just Nole but many other (for Nadal) dangerous players.
Esp in week one of slams. 

Sorry GP, only now saw your first sentence. Blush

Anyway, the truth is Nadal is a manufactured champion.


With all colourings, additives and E numbers to enhance the taste. Winking

P.S.
Toni provided the "value" steriod beef.
Masses need to be fed on stg these days... burger

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Post by Daniel on Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:06 pm

gallery play wrote:
So yes: i think SB is asking the right question: where is Nole when you need him? Because it seems there are not too many hurdels between Nadal and a few more slam titles.

Honestly, your thought process is totally not working. He's 31 years old and would have to basically break the Open Era record for 30 year olds.  That's one hurdle.  The younger players are starting to show their potential and will be a huge threat soon.  That's the a second hurdle.  He's only won 1 slam off clay in the last SEVEN YEARS. And he only looks like winning this one because of the draw.  That's a third hurdle.  He hasn't won the US Open this year yet - that's a fourth hurdle. How you can go from "He's won this slam" to "shit he's gonna DOMINATE OMGGZ"  is ludicrous to say the least.

And, finally, I don't give a shit if he manages to reach or beat 19 slams.  Why?  Because his overall record would still be far inferior to Fed's.  The spread of slams - the atp tour finals - weeks num 1.  Those are things that show a complete player.  Not 122 slams at the French Open. Every single Fed fan I've seen online - and every single Nadal fan I've seen online - are OBSESSED with slam total.  Doesn't the overall spread of slams enter your brain?  Does a "total" really mean so much to you that you'll run around like a headless chicken at it being "beaten"?

And the idea that the TD's are manufacturing the surfaces to help him beat Fed's record is an unsubstantiated piece of poppycock paranoia.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:33 pm

Daniel, you're making the same mistake again to stand with your own principles instead of analyse what's happening on court.

Does Nadal look worn out to you, or does he look like how a 31 y/o supposed to look according your ideas? Look how bloody intimidating he is (physically) to youngsters.

And about the manufacturing part: does this court look like a typical USO HC to you? 

TD's maybe not care to much about the slam record at first, But they do like Raf winning and certainly do like Raf when Raf gets real close to the record. They all want history being made on their ground.

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Re: Nadal breaking record at the USO?

Post by Daniel on Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:35 pm

No, I am really not making any mistake.  Read my post again. Everything.  And I do mean everything.  That I stated there is a fact.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:38 pm

Daniel wrote:No, I am really not making any mistake.  Read my post again. Everything.  And I do mean everything.  That I stated there is a fact.
I did, what's your point? Read mine again too

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:51 pm

Daniel wrote:...And the idea that the TD's are manufacturing the surfaces to help him beat Fed's record is an unsubstantiated piece of poppycock paranoia.
Wimbledon did not want a third Roddick Federer final so they provided from 2006 the same big balls as 2002....and have kept them since cause everybody wanted to see another Fedal as clearly Nadal was the  only challenge left to Federer. And of course they started to provide larger balls to the mens at the USO cause of course the USO wanted its Fedal too. Did not you notice how everybody was talking and wanted that Fedal semi this year?

It's so bloody obvious. The USO has an undeniable record of rigging draws...so frankly that sets the spirit they are in.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:13 pm

And you have evidence that they are helping Nadal?  No.  Like usual, I just have to trust your word.


It's so bloody obvious. 

No, it isn't.  This seems to be a familiar pattern with you.  You think we don't need evidence and that your opinions on something must automatically be true because YOU FEEL THEY ARE.  It doesn't work that way.  If I went to a random mosque, I could probably find a dozen worshippers who say it's bloody obvious that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy against Muslims.  Doh

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