The Low-Lives Strike...Again!

At least so are called all of us who dare not take our sandals off when entering Wooffie's temple:

"I hope the Rafa fans reading this have found it quite interesting - and
remember its for us that I like to try and glean information to post
here. But I'm sure that the hatahs who also frequent this site will be
cut and pasting the information I provide, and I expect it to be popping
up all over some time soon. I'm sorry for mentioning that element
here, readers, its just that these low-life factions are still out there
... as mentioned in Benito's outburst to the press during the US Open.
I'm not able to understand the full nature of what's written in Spanish
without the aid of a mangle, but its actually the first time I've heard
it described by the doctors of what the PRP treatment actually is, and
what the process was for them to get it approved."

So, here's the update on Nadal's knee recovery, his doctor's new book and all other mumbo-jumbo convincing those who want to be convinced that "enriching" one's body with blood plasma is just like having a tooth filling....


Anyway, here's the story in full:
http://www.wooffiesrafaramblings.com/2012/09/rafas-doctor-dr-mikel-sanchez.html


I am not a doctor and don't know much about it, so had a look and found out that:

" PRP therapy speeding up recovery time is similar to
human growth hormone (HGH) in its healing ability. So if HGH is on MLB's
list of banned substances, PRP therapy should be, too. She warns that
if the governing anti-doping agencies don't put rules in place now,
athletes will find a way to abuse this new practice."

from this link:

http://www.training-conditioning.com/2009/03/01/blood_therapy/index.php

Why do you read the blog?

And why cut and paste a section of it and bring it here?

You always go on about how v2 is obsessed with 'gossip' and things not related to tennis, but isn't that this? Don't see articles like this on 'gossip site' v2.

Amritia3ee wrote:Why do you read the blog?

Why do you want to know?

noleisthebest wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:Why do you read the blog?

Why do you want to know?

I can't understand why... I have seen you very cynical (and nasty sometimes) about Woofie before, so why do you always read her blogs?

Amritia3ee wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:Why do you read the blog?

Why do you want to know?

I can't understand why... I have seen you very cynical (and nasty sometimes) about Woofie before, so why do you always read her blogs?

Wooffie is a good source on all things Nadal and light amusement.

It's certainly an interesting read. Does she suggest that some might cheat using PRP but of course her Rafa would never do?

Tenez wrote:It's certainly an interesting read. Does she suggest that some might cheat using PRP but of course her Rafa would never do?

No, not at all.

She saying doctors have written a book showing how PRP treatment works, and how it benefits the knee ligaments. They have also done lectures to publicise the method, for use all over the world, for people who play sport, and also those who don't.

Tenez wrote:It's certainly an interesting read. Does she suggest that some might cheat using PRP but of course her Rafa would never do?

I found these two paragraphs interesting:

"The doctors presented their research and arguments to the International
Olympic Committee in Lausanne, with the backing of the Spanish
Anti-doping Agency and the COE (Spanish Olympic Committee). The doctors
recall it as a tough meeting, where they described the biological
principles and their results. However, the IOC unanimously decided to
send a letter to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) in order to state
that the technique had nothing to do with doping. Within 24 hours, WADA
removed it from the list of prohibited substances.

Interesting stuff.

The questions obviously moved onto Rafa and if they were treating him
now. They confirmed this, however, they also said that what he had
before is cured, and that this current injury is not a relapse, but
something completely different. They describe the present injury as a
partial tear in the patellar tendon and inflammation of the Hoffa's fat
pad in the left knee."

It appears like the "old" problem was fixed, an that this "Hoffa" thing is new. I think I read somewhere that that syndrome is congenital, so how is that "new" I don't understand. Plus they don't seem to be treating it the same way. Andwe don't know how they are.
Very obscure and hence raising legitimate suspicion.

As if they hired this doctor just to pull wool over everyone's eyes by inventing ghost treatments for ghost conditions.

By comparison, Gael Monfils has been absent for the exact same period of time, and we don't know much about him, his knee and his treatment.

I'm also pretty sure his doctor has not published a book about treating him, either

No Hoffa's syndrome is not congenital http://orthopaedic.com.sg/hoffas-syndrome-fat-pad-impingement-syndrome-a-cause-of-anterior-knee-pain/

Amritia3ee wrote:No Hoffa's syndrome is not congenital http://orthopaedic.com.sg/hoffas-syndrome-fat-pad-impingement-syndrome-a-cause-of-anterior-knee-pain/

you're right, it was something else that was originally conditional, his feet. I've lost track.

Bottom line, in that link it says there's no treatment except surgery.
Reminds me of the times I didn't feel like going to school and faked pain in the stomach, as my mum had gastritis, and I could describe the symptoms to the school doctor perfectly

noleisthebest wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:No Hoffa's syndrome is not congenital http://orthopaedic.com.sg/hoffas-syndrome-fat-pad-impingement-syndrome-a-cause-of-anterior-knee-pain/

you're right, it was something else that was originally conditional, his feet. I've lost track.

Bottom line, in that link it says there's no treatment except surgery.

No it doesn't???

It says that surgery would be the last option, if all other treatments fail.
Are you reading it properly??

Amritia3ee wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:No Hoffa's syndrome is not congenital http://orthopaedic.com.sg/hoffas-syndrome-fat-pad-impingement-syndrome-a-cause-of-anterior-knee-pain/

you're right, it was something else that was originally conditional, his feet. I've lost track.

Bottom line, in that link it says there's no treatment except surgery.

No it doesn't???

It says that surgery would be the last option, if all other treatments fail.
Are you reading it properly??

what other treatments, all it says it requires rest, just like any plain old tendonitis.

noleisthebest wrote:"The doctors presented their research and arguments to the International
Olympic Committee in Lausanne, with the backing of the Spanish
Anti-doping Agency and the COE (Spanish Olympic Committee). The doctors
recall it as a tough meeting, where they described the biological
principles and their results. However, the IOC unanimously decided to
send a letter to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) in order to state
that the technique had nothing to do with doping. Within 24 hours, WADA
removed it from the list of prohibited substances.

I remember PRP being legalised by WADA in Sep 09. Strange to read that the
IOC is telling the scientists (WADA) what is doping and what is not. To me it's clear that at the end of the day the decision is more politics and legal than scientific.

noleisthebest wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:No Hoffa's syndrome is not congenital http://orthopaedic.com.sg/hoffas-syndrome-fat-pad-impingement-syndrome-a-cause-of-anterior-knee-pain/

you're right, it was something else that was originally conditional, his feet. I've lost track.

Bottom line, in that link it says there's no treatment except surgery.

No it doesn't???

It says that surgery would be the last option, if all other treatments fail.
Are you reading it properly??

what other treatments, all it says it requires rest, just like any plain old tendonitis.

Are you reading it? It gives a long list of possible treatments.

Tenez wrote:

I remember PRP being legalised by WADA in Sep 09. Strange to read that the
IOC is telling the scientists (WADA) what is doping and what is not. To me it's clear that at the end of the day the decision is more politics and legal than scientific.

The thing that intrigues me is that a lot of athletes have had the treatment but somehow all these Spanish high-profile sports institutions had to get involved in "tough" meetings to defend Nadal's case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/sports/athletes-with-chronic-pain-turn-to-novel-blood-treatment.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www

http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/07/03/12/Platelet-rich-plasma-therapy-big-with-at/landing_timberwolves.html?blockID=755844

A medical perspective... http://www.scoi.com/prp.htm

More and more patients started to ask about it," says Dennis A. Cardone, a doctor of osteopathic medicine at the New York University (N.Y.U.) Hospital for Joint Diseases. Cardone has treated 30 amateur athletes with PRP therapy over the past year.

Despite its use among athletes, the effectiveness of PRP therapy in sports medicine remains in question. Canadian doctor Anthony Galea, one of the pioneers in using PRP for athletes, was arrested in Canada for allegedly smuggling human growth hormone (HGH) and Actovegin into the U.S., The New York Times reported on Tuesday, where these potentially performance enhancing drugs are illegal. Galea had treated Woods and several other athletes, including Olympic gold medalist and sprinter Donovan Bailey, with PRP. Galea's arrest raised suspicion that he might have combined HGH with his PRP therapy.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=platelet-rich-plasma-therapy-dennis-cardone-sports-medicine-injury

When PRP gets associated with Tony Galea, it loses a significant amount of credibility amongst the skeptics, and rightly so. While more research is needed, the world is unwilling to wait for the safety and legal aspects to be clarified.

I wonder if PRP was available to many 1970-2000 players, how many would have had different careers?

All links from an unreliable and untrustworthy internet. Read at your own risk.

BTW, I have just finished watching Dr Who - A Town Called Mercy

What's puzzling me is that Rafa's has been spotted on several golfcourts during his absence. A righthanded golfswing is clearly something you want to avoid when there's something seriously wrong with the left knee.
Look at what Tiger has been going through with that left knee..

laverfan wrote:
BTW, I have just finished watching Dr Who - A Town Called Mercy

Cannot relate to Dr Who or Star Wars at all. Never watched a single minute of it.

noleisthebest wrote:

laverfan wrote:
BTW, I have just finished watching Dr Who - A Town Called Mercy

Cannot relate to Dr Who or Star Wars at all. Never watched a single minute of it.

If it does not require teeth gnashing or throwing furniture around, perhaps watching a few minutes may change your view.

laverfan wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

laverfan wrote:
BTW, I have just finished watching Dr Who - A Town Called Mercy

Cannot relate to Dr Who or Star Wars at all. Never watched a single minute of it.

If it does not require teeth gnashing or throwing furniture around, perhaps watching a few minutes may change your view.

It's not in my genes. I don't like Roald Dahl either. Don't have the morbid streak/urge/need in me at all,although I do love Charlie and the Chocolate factory film with Gene Wilder very much.

I find it so weird they allowed PRP in 2009. Imagine you are a doping/sport doctor. How can you legalise blood transfusion to an athlete? PRP is just that. A very smart way to make us believe that the blood transferred is just a concentration of all the good things in blood while it's clear they are transferring other stuff.

But anyway, imagine they don't add extra synthetic HGH, isn't taking our own blood, condense it and re-inject it a way to enhance our own blood healing capability?

It's so clear to me that PRP was the way to legalise doping to allow sports to have their most popular athletes back in action.

From then on I understood that catching dopers was certainly not what sport organisations were trying to do. In fact they want to facilitate doping.

Could PHP be the new (teeth) "braces" from the 80s, when it all looked legit, but was just a cover up for doping?

gallery play wrote:What's puzzling me is that Rafa's has been spotted on several golfcourts during his absence. A righthanded golfswing is clearly something you want to avoid when there's something seriously wrong with the left knee.
Look at what Tiger has been going through with that left knee..

Agreed here GP, I cannot understand for the life of me how someone can play golf with (a) bad knee(s) when their main sport is tennis. They'd be risking too much as I know from experience after having hurt my knee that golf is not on my list of sports to play, even though now I can from time to time but 18 holes would require some effort...

In Nadal's defense, I can only assume the strain on the knee to play tennis at this level might be very different from the strain of playing golf for fun.

I am not keen in giving Nadal the benefit of the doubt but will on this occasion....though regardless I am certainly a believer of the famous "silent ban".

Still, I can recall Federer, who has a back problem but no knee issue as far as we know, who said he does not play any other sport, not even golf, as the risk is not worth it.

Plus I am sure Nadal is competitive no matter what sport he plays, and we've seen him play football/soccer too. So either the whole knee thing is an invention or he is not that smart with his career management but we know uncle Toni is smart enough for two...

sphairistike wrote:Still, I can recall Federer, who has a back problem but no knee issue as far as we know, who said he does not play any other sport, not even golf, as the risk is not worth it.

Plus I am sure Nadal is competitive no matter what sport he plays, and we've seen him play football/soccer too. So either the whole knee thing is an invention or he is not that smart with his career management but we know uncle Toni is smart enough for two...

Either way it's not very smart cause if it is an invention, it doesn't give much credibility to his made up excuse.

sphairistike wrote:Still, I can recall Federer, who has a back problem but no knee issue as far as we know, who said he does not play any other sport, not even golf, as the risk is not worth it.

He may not have knee issues, but he has had leg issues in the past that are very well documented.

I think we'll all have to wait a long time until all truth comes out, and I know it will.
Toni and Rafael have always come across as shifty, which is their right to be, but how on earth do they get all this following is really beyond me.
I am convicned once he retires, 95% of his fans will stop following tennis.

His return should be very, very interesting.

laverfan wrote:

sphairistike wrote:Still, I can recall Federer, who has a back problem but no knee issue as far as we know, who said he does not play any other sport, not even golf, as the risk is not worth it.

He may not have knee issues, but he has had leg issues in the past that are very well documented.

When Delpo was injured, the whole world knew what it was and how long it was going to take to recover, Same with Novak last autumn.
Only with Nadal nobody knows what the injury is and how long it will take to go away.

noleisthebest wrote:

laverfan wrote:

sphairistike wrote:Still, I can recall Federer, who has a back problem but no knee issue as far as we know, who said he does not play any other sport, not even golf, as the risk is not worth it.

He may not have knee issues, but he has had leg issues in the past that are very well documented.

When Delpo was injured, the whole world knew what it was and how long it was going to take to recover.

Really??
How long will he recover from this wrist injury that kept him out of the Sunday Davis Cup semi tie then?

Del Potro's injury which he had to be operated on was his RIGHT wrist.

At the moment, he is having trouble with the LEFT one.

noleisthebest wrote:Del Potro's injury which he had to be operated on was his RIGHT wrist.

At the moment, he is having trouble with the LEFT one.

Interesting. Both his wrists seem to be taking a hammering. Nadal's Hoffa's syndrome is in his left knee.

How long will Del Potro be out for?

Amritia3ee wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Del Potro's injury which he had to be operated on was his RIGHT wrist.

At the moment, he is having trouble with the LEFT one.

Interesting. Both his wrists seem to be taking a hammering. Nadal's Hoffa's syndrome is in his left knee.

How long will Del Potro be out for?

I am not sure, but assume he's got tendonitis, just like most other players from time-to time, which means he'll wind the season down quietly, without too much fuss and rest it during the off-season, unless it's a more serious condition, for which his doctor I'm sure won't need to:

• publish a book
  
• go to WADA and endure "tough" meetings
  
• Argentian Olympic Comittee to convince them that Delpo's treatment is not a cover-up for doping.
  
• fend-off French & Italian media
  

noleisthebest wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Del Potro's injury which he had to be operated on was his RIGHT wrist.

At the moment, he is having trouble with the LEFT one.

Interesting. Both his wrists seem to be taking a hammering. Nadal's Hoffa's syndrome is in his left knee.

How long will Del Potro be out for?

I am not sure, but assume he's got tendonitis, just like most other players from time-to time, which means he'll wind the season down quietly, without too much fuss and rest it during the off-season, unless it's a more serious condition, for which his doctor I'm sure won't need to:

• publish a book
  
• go to WADA and endure "tough" meetings
  
• Argentian Olympic Comittee to convince them that Delpo's treatment is not a cover-up for doping.
  
• fend-off French & Italian media
  

So in other words you don't know how long Del Potro is out for.

Del Potro is not out at all, that's the whole point.

PRP treatments are also used to mask doping,because since 2010 PRP treatments for joint injuries requires no TUE
Through operation GALGO it came to light that doctors were telling athletes to fake joint injuries so that steroids can be injected inarticulately
The funny thing is ever since 2010 Nadal has had a joint injury after the AO every single season
The one year he was supposedly out on a strained hamstring,it went from being a hamstring injury to an abductor longus injury and then back to a hamstring a few days later

Amritia3ee wrote:
So in other words you don't know how long Del Potro is out for.

I made the extra effort and found out that poor Delpo does not have the official website, but thankfully his Twitter and my knowledge of Latin helped me work out that his doctor recommends him a 15 days rest

http://twitter.com/delpotrojuan

noleisthebest wrote:Del Potro is not out at all, that's the whole point.

So, he's not out?

noleisthebest wrote:

I made the extra effort and found out that poor Delpo does not have the official website, but thankfully his Twitter and my knowledge of Latin helped me work out that his doctor recommends him a 15 days rest

http://twitter.com/delpotrojuan

But now you say he is out for 15 days?

Oh come on Amri, don't act silly, just admit you don't have a leg to stand on with Nadal with some dignity and switch to being a full-on Murray fan, as his tennis will be the closest substitute to Nadal while he recovers from whatever he's suffering from

BTW, what IS he suffering from this time, seriously?

Tenez wrote:In Nadal's defense, I can only assume the strain on the knee to play tennis at this level might be very different from the strain of playing golf for fun.

There is nu such thing as Golf for fun physically, not even for amateurs. In fact, Amateur players are swinging closer to their max. swing speed than most pros. No matter what your intensions are on a golfcourse, a golfswing remains explosive and monotone. That combination makes it demanding for the joints, especially if you have a very strong upperbody like Rafa (throwing too much muscles in the swing). Now i don't want to make Golf sound like bootcamp but Rafa's case doesn't make any sense at all. You just don't play Golf if the (left!) knee is close to surgery, no way!
Based on his golf activities, my verdict is on the knee issue is clear: we're not hearing the real story.

Thanks for that pro insight, GP, I've only ever played putt-putt golf, with great success, though

noleisthebest wrote:Thanks for that pro insight, GP, I've only ever played putt-putt golf, with great success, though

It's a start, you know what they say about Golf: driving is for show, putting is for dough

GP- you should join in the debate:
http://www.606v2.com/t34993-how-much-of-tennis-is-played-in-the-mind

gallery play wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Thanks for that pro insight, GP, I've only ever played putt-putt golf, with great success, though

It's a start, you know what they say about Golf: driving is for show, putting is for dough

he,he....you don't want to know what I REALLY think about golf....while my knees are following my spirit, I'll be running after the fluffy, little neon ball till I die

Amritia3ee wrote:GP- you should join in the debate:
http://www.606v2.com/t34993-how-much-of-tennis-is-played-in-the-mind

thnx, but i'll stick to OTF.

gallery play wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:GP- you should join in the debate:
http://www.606v2.com/t34993-how-much-of-tennis-is-played-in-the-mind

thnx, but i'll stick to OTF.

well, I've already started the same debate on here too

GP. it is a shame you don't post on v2 as well. You, from what I have observed, seem to be an exceptional poster, with an analytical mind.
It is possible; like me, LF, Summerblues etc. to post on both OTF and V2