Re: 2014 Davis Cup Final: France-Switzerland

by Tenez Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:37 pm

Reminds me a lot of FO 2012 when I was saying that he was injured but some failed to see it. He was losing the first sets v Goffin, Mahut, Delpo but as the match went on his back was loosening up and managed to play better as the match went on.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:40 pm

Monf playing with so much heart, riding on some invisible wave of madness, I can just imagine how it must feel! surfer

by N2D2L Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:44 pm

Monfils playing well as expected, but he's lucky Federer is under par due to injuries.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:47 pm

Yes, but even injured, he is still beautiful to watch.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:51 pm

Monf-Stan will be a cracker!

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:54 pm

I wonder who,the Swiss are going to play in doubles tomorrow.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:56 pm

That was a gorgeous point from Fed: 3 CC defensive BHs and then bang!
Winner down the line Magic

by Tenez Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:00 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I wonder who,the Swiss are going to play in doubles tomorrow.

They should play Stan federer. No doubt. Anything else woudl be a mistake.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:11 pm

Tenez wrote:Reminds me a lot of FO 2012 when I was saying that he was injured but some failed to see it. He was losing the first sets v Goffin, Mahut, Delpo but as the match went on his back was loosening up and managed to play better as the match went on.

I remember you talking about it during Wimbledon 2012.
And then there was that legendary thread on v2...

by Tenez Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:15 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Reminds me a lot of FO 2012 when I was saying that he was injured but some failed to see it. He was losing the first sets v Goffin, Mahut, Delpo but as the match went on his back was loosening up and managed to play better as the match went on.
I remember you talking about it during Wimbledon 2012.
And then there was that legendary thread on v2...

I started saying it in FO 2012...when Federer who was sailing suddenly loses a set v a german guy ranked 100+ in the world. Fed had a bad back he picked on blue clay in Madrid's final v Berdych.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:05 pm

Yes, I remember Madrid and blue clay, that was a costly title.
The other one was against Dodig, I think it was IW 2013.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:16 pm

Tsonga, The Crybaby? Winking

Despite the presence of a record crowd of 27,432 spectators in the stands of the Pierre Mauroy stadium, Tsonga said after his 6-1, 3-6, 6-3, 6-2 loss to the fourth-ranked Swiss that the visiting fans were showing more support for their players.

''When the teams were introduced, they applauded Stan more than us, Roger (Federer) more than us,'' a dejected Tsonga said. ''We heard the Swiss spectators more than we heard the French ones.
'"Stan, for example, announced that the ball was out, and it was in. I just went to check the mark, and I was booed in my own country -- maybe not by the French spectators but by the Swiss spectators. It's annoying."

Stan:

"They didn't have the chance to do something for him.
I think it's maybe a little bit easy for him to say the crowd wasn't supporting him enough. I think it's just because on the court I was the better player and that's it."
OUCH!
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/davis-cup-singles-jo-wilfried-tsonga-disappointed-french-182123086--ten.html

by truffin1 Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:09 pm

Fed said the injury is like a "ghost" "always on the back of my mind be careful, be careful, boo" Nice to see he can somewhat joke about it but very telling. Just like last year, he can't play freely for fear he will hurt it further or aggravate it. At these margins, it's just not a way to win.

He offers to play doubles and singles if Luthi thinks it best for the team, but is it? The guy is a warrior, but can a diminished, tentative Fed pull off two victories after what happened today?

shame on those who said he pulled out of WTF to duck Djokovic..smh

by Tenez Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:13 pm

truffin1 wrote:Fed said the injury is like a "ghost" "always on the back of my mind be careful, be careful, boo" Nice to see he can somewhat joke about it but very telling. Just like last year, he can't play freely for fear he will hurt it further or aggravate it. At these margins, it's just not a way to win.

He offers to play doubles and singles if Luthi thinks it best for the team, but is it? The guy is a warrior, but can a diminished, tentative Fed pull off two victories after what happened today?

shame on those who said he pulled out of WTF to duck Djokovic..smh

his mouvement was not great but he still pulled good shots towards the end so in theory he could play a good double with Stan. Doubles are much less exhausting than single. It's crucial to win it as I doubt Stan will beat Monfils!

by truffin1 Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:29 pm

Tenez wrote:
truffin1 wrote:Fed said the injury is like a "ghost" "always on the back of my mind be careful, be careful, boo" Nice to see he can somewhat joke about it but very telling. Just like last year, he can't play freely for fear he will hurt it further or aggravate it. At these margins, it's just not a way to win.

He offers to play doubles and singles if Luthi thinks it best for the team, but is it? The guy is a warrior, but can a diminished, tentative Fed pull off two victories after what happened today?

shame on those who said he pulled out of WTF to duck Djokovic..smh
his mouvement was not great but he still pulled good shots towards the end so in theory he could play a good double with Stan. Doubles are much less exhausting than single. It's crucial to win it as I doubt Stan will beat Monfils!

Can Fed beat Tsonga playing like this though? Tsonga can turn on the power too and it's easier to swing away at Fed when you know his movement is half a step or a step behind

by truffin1 Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:37 pm

personally- im not sure stan and fed can beat the French in doubles either

shame Fed ran into his back issue again right at the end of the season. AS he half joked in one of the pressers, if stan had put him away in their match earlier, he might not be in this state!

by Autumnleaf Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:38 pm

Watching Stan I thought, what a mistake of the Frenchies to chose clay. He bullied Tsonga around the court and if he can keep it up, he should beat Monfils.

Monfils should have won even easier, considering the diminished state of his opponent. So sad to see. Cry

I don't know much about the rules of DC, but it seems they played Fed because they can't use him on sunday otherwise?

Anyway, maybe they figured that Injured!Fed has a better chance against Monfils than Lammer or Chiudinelli and they might not be wrong. But Tsonga will be too much for him I think.

What a tragical end to this season for Fed, with a bit of comedy thrown in for good measure. I don't mind French team winning, I like them, but that's not the way I'd have liked to see them win. Should have bet on France and Monfils as soon as Fed withdrew from WTF.

by Autumnleaf Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:41 pm

truffin1 wrote:personally- im not sure stan and fed can beat the French in doubles either

shame Fed ran into his back issue again right at the end of the season. AS he half joked in one of the pressers, if stan had put him away in their match earlier, he might not be in this state!

The French are the clear favs in the doubles for me, even if they face Fedrinka. Fedrinka haven't won much in DC recently and they lack practice together.

Haha, he jokes this way, thereby giving credit to Wawrinka, but I'm pretty sure he felt the injury before the Wawrinka match. It only aggravated during Tiebreak. Interesting to hear that it was so cold this year at WTF from NITB. Surely not the best way to treat an upcoming back injury then.

by N2D2L Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:01 pm

I think Fed and Stan should play the doubles, it's a crucial tie.

by truffin1 Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:06 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:I think Fed and Stan should play the doubles, it's a crucial tie.

do you think they could go in cold without any practice together recently and beat the French though? Doubles will be easier on Fed but he still will be serving at less than 100%, still stiff and unable to bend properly at the net. If they don't win, now you have an even more beat up Fed that has to win on Sunday.

Swiss are in trouble.

I wonder if Federer will try for DC next year if they lose?. Seems like he and Stan would have a decent chance at the same run again.

by N2D2L Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:10 pm

truffin1 wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:I think Fed and Stan should play the doubles, it's a crucial tie.

do you think they could go in cold without any practice together recently and beat the French though? Doubles will be easier on Fed but he still will be serving at less than 100%, still stiff and unable to bend properly at the net. If they don't win, now you have an even more beat up Fed that has to win on Sunday.

Swiss are in trouble.

I wonder if Federer will try for DC next year if they lose?. Seems like he and Stan would have a decent chance at the same run again.

I don't think Swiss will win the doubles, but considering doubles is less physically taxing than singles, Federer's contribution could be more for the doubles.
Unless Federer's back improves, he's not going to beat Tsonga, and I see Stan beating Monfils; the doubles is crucial.

by Autumnleaf Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:32 pm

It pains me to say, but I agree with Kim here. I don't see muchh of a chance for Suisse whoever will play the dubs, unless Fed magically heals and we know he won't.

by Tenez Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:14 pm

truffin1 wrote:
Tenez wrote:Can Fed beat Tsonga playing like this though? Tsonga can turn on the power too and it's easier to swing away at Fed when you know his movement is half a step or a step behind
It's not going to be easy....but I think Tsonga is unlikely to play as well as Monfils today...so there is hope for Fed/Swiss fans.

I must say I am really shared here. France has won 7 DCs and I know they will win more soon, while Federer won none...and it his last chance or so. Worse is that if Switzerland win it it will be essentially thanks to Stan and not Fed (who woudl have thought that).

So I am really watching without knowing who to support. Today for intance I was for fed v Monfils but was for Tsonga v Stan ....so the 2 matches went against my wish.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:10 am

Tomorrow's doubles is the crucial match.
Fed-Stan is the only combination for the Swiss which go in as favourites regardless of Fed's injury.
The French can't play their best doubles man - Llodra, as he is injured waiting for surgery.
Benneteau&Vasselan played terrible on Saturday against the Bryans, Clemont can't be choosing them, despite the two winning RG this year.
We could easily see a Monf-Tsonga or Monf-Gasquet combo.

DC doubles are often the most interesting and exciting tie in DC matches, this one has the potential to be brilliant considering the quality of players.

by N2D2L Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:18 am

For people on the wrong timezone:
Go onto profile at the top of the page, then press preferences, then change the timezone to where ever you are.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:22 am

That only works while you are logged in, as soon as I log out it's the unusual time zone.
I got used to it now...

by N2D2L Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:31 am

That's not the case on v2, Tenez change the forum settings so it's London timezone when logged out.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:34 am

Yes, but we are correct in everything else! Big Grin

by N2D2L Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:41 am

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, but we are correct in everything else!

Indeed !

(Well I am anyway Winking

)

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:51 am

noleisthebest wrote:Monf playing with so much heart, riding on some invisible wave of madness, I can just imagine how it must feel!

Monf doesn't now it either!
Asked how he managed today's performance, he said:

"France. Final. Here. I cannot describe it."

by laverfan Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:40 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Fed-Stan is the only combination for the Swiss which go in as favourites regardless of Fed's injury.

Both Wawrinka and Federer need rest after the the WTF exertions. Run

by Tenez Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:04 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:That's not the case on v2, Tenez change the forum settings so it's London timezone when logged out.

Just need....not sure why the TZ changed in the first place!

by laverfan Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:50 pm

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:35 pm

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:That's not the case on v2, Tenez change the forum settings so it's London timezone when logged out.

Just need....not sure why the TZ changed in the first place!

Still having trouble with auto spell-check? Winking

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:06 pm

Just tuned in, great tennis!

ALLEZ LES BLUES!!!!! diva

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:10 pm

Gasquet looking very good, his all-court talent really shines in doubles.
Benne should not have been chosen for this match, he has not been in great form. Can't return, zero confidence, even his movement is quite average for doubles dynamics.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:23 pm

Fed is a superb doubles player...looks so fired up and alive at the moment, great to see.
Doubles tennis can be such fun both to watch and play!

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:29 pm

Benne's come to life!!!!! 2014 Davis Cup Final: France-Switzerland - Page 2 3755116760

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:32 pm

Btw, where is everyone?

by N2D2L Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:40 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Btw, where is everyone?

Just had a haircut, time to put on Eurosport... Gift

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:45 pm

Tenez is probably scrunched behind the sofa in fetal position hating himself for liking Fed so much Winking

It's impossible to resist him. The guy is sublime.

That's how I feel when Nole plays him. Blush

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:05 pm

Gasquet folded completely Sad

I know doubles go theough both players' ups and downs, I hope Benne and he can hit the up together soon!

Fed and Stan mixing their chemistry great atm: Stan's baseline power and Fed's superb volleying (and everything else....)

by N2D2L Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:16 pm

Gasquet choking in the big moments.

by Tenez Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:18 pm

Not watching unfortuntely but just to say that they were right to play Federer here.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:25 pm

Tenez wrote:Not watching unfortuntely but just to say that they were right to play Federer here.

Yes, Fed is playing a great match. He is an utter beast!

by N2D2L Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:27 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not watching unfortuntely but just to say that they were right to play Federer here.

Yes, Fed is playing a great match. He is an utter beast!

As I said, doubles is less physically taxing than singles, right decision to play him today.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:30 pm

Tenez wrote:Not watching unfortuntely but just to say that they were right to play Federer here.

Tell Mrs T, that DIY job can wait for the next weekend and that you're happy with popcorn for dinner Winking

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:51 pm

What a jaw-droppingly, gutsy BH volley from Richie to save the MP... Bubbly

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:53 pm

Yes, this match won't have tired Fed, only boosted his confidence.
Tough one for Tsonga tomorrow.

I am assuming that's the first match on Sunday.

Not surprised by the score, also not sure France chose the best doubles team.
They were 2:1 against Serbia in Belgrade, (just like Switzerland are against France now) in 2010 and lost, so there is still hope!
Beauty of Davis Cup is you never know what's going to happen...

by truffin1 Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:23 pm

Fedrinka came to play today!! And both played fantastic! Fed's back seems to be warmed up and the movement needed for doubles is there!! Prob more mental than anything else, but knowing he had more court coverage seems to have eased his fears of going all out.

You guys were right! This was what the Swiss had to do and it paid off!

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