The doping program joke of the ITF!!!

Excellent!

If more people did that, things may start to declog.

It's important for one's sanity to try and stand up for truth.

Haha ta but I ain't in your guys' league.
Supposed to have a 30min slot, ended up being a 75min one.

Were any names mentioned?

Anything new revealed about Odesnik and "cooperation"?

luvsports! wrote:Haha ta but I ain't in your guys' league.
Supposed to have a 30min slot, ended up being a 75min one.

That sounds very impressive

The closest I've come to doing anything of the sort was when Liam Fox (former defence secretary) came in to our school. I was in one of my debating modes, so after his talk I decided to ask him some tough questions about food banks. He was really struggling and as you guess in a debate I tend not to like backing down, so I kept at it. By the end there were some real long silences and then he answered with... 'I really don't know.'

Unfortunately I couldn't say anything else after that as the bell rung and he had to go. But anyway, that's enough about me... what content did you discuss LS ?

Kim Jong-Un wrote:

luvsports! wrote:Haha ta but I ain't in your guys' league.
Supposed to have a 30min slot, ended up being a 75min one.

That sounds very impressive

The closest I've come to doing anything of the sort was when Liam Fox (former defence secretary) came in to our school. I was in one of my debating modes, so after his talk I decided to ask him some tough questions about food banks. He was really struggling and as you guess in a debate I tend not to like backing down, so I kept at it. By the end there were some real long silences and then he answered with... 'I really don't know.'

Unfortunately I couldn't say anything else after that as the bell rung and he had to go. But anyway, that's enough about me... what content did you discuss LS ?

Are you sure?
How about when you were in pre-school...just lie on the couch and tell us about your childhood...

noleisthebest wrote:
How about when you were in pre-school...just lie on the couch and tell us about your childhood...

Yeah basically when I was in pre-school Tony Blair came in and I challenged him on his high spending plans, it didn't end well... for him

Luvsports, did he seem underprepared, or was it just that your questions were so valid he had no answer anyway ?

noleisthebest wrote:Were any names mentioned?

Anything new revealed about Odesnik and "cooperation"?

I really had him stumped on Cilic but apart from that it was classic evasive techniques. 
The problem is, when you are interviewing the organisation that has these inconsistencies, they will defend themselves tooth and nail and give you nothing to go off.

He warmed to me a lot despite me really going after him. I think he respected the work I had put in. But to pin him down is very tough because he won't give an all inclusive answer, he can fall back on "no comment", or "I don't know" or "off the record".

Odesnik - fecking lawyer balone. 
Puerto - nothing new.
Biogenesis - hush hush
Del Moral - investigating....
Serena panic room - "off the record" 
Agassi - Before my time....

Kim Jong-Un wrote:

luvsports! wrote:Haha ta but I ain't in your guys' league.
Supposed to have a 30min slot, ended up being a 75min one.

That sounds very impressive

The closest I've come to doing anything of the sort was when Liam Fox (former defence secretary) came in to our school. I was in one of my debating modes, so after his talk I decided to ask him some tough questions about food banks. He was really struggling and as you guess in a debate I tend not to like backing down, so I kept at it. By the end there were some real long silences and then he answered with... 'I really don't know.'

Unfortunately I couldn't say anything else after that as the bell rung and he had to go. But anyway, that's enough about me... what content did you discuss LS ?

Very impressive at such a young age. Keep at it! There really isn't much better, imo, than investigative journalism and the hunt for truth and wade through tenebrous and taboo topics!
I grew up with, not learning disabilities, but apparently my axons were slow burners in processing info. I've always been a very slow learner (used to have sessions to try and speed me up!) and only until 19/20 did I turn it around and try to become as erudite as possible.
From doing miserably at school (going to a crap uni), I have really accelerated onto a good degree, top journo course in the country and doing things like this. If you had told me I would be where I am 5 years ago, I would have guffawed at ya.

Talking of tabboo topics, did anyone dare utter the "N" word?

luvsports! wrote:
From doing miserably at school (going to a crap uni), I have really accelerated onto a good degree, top journo course in the country and doing things like this. If you had told me I would be where I am 5 years ago, I would have guffawed at ya.

Keep at it !
With Neil Harman sacked, perhaps one day you can be his long term replacement

noleisthebest wrote:Talking of tabboo topics, did anyone dare utter the "N" word?

Ummm... NITB, don't think LS and the ITF chief were experimenting in rap music

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Luvsports, did he seem underprepared, or was it just that your questions were so valid he had no answer anyway ?

Not at all. He had me in his pocket at the start.

You would be surprised how sycophantic, obsequious and pathetic the media are. Never asking proper questions! 

I have been working on this for a couple of weeks now speaking to Simon Cambers (interviewed ITF guy before), Nick Harris (Mail & Sporting intelligence), Don Catlin (one of the earliest world experts on anti doping) Sandro Donati, Rieu, Mendoza etc - real experts and with diligent work and persistence, it isn't crazy hard to find - I am good at researching.

They were valid but he has the power. Holds all the aces and all the keys. It's up to you to provide indefatigable evidence and even then you may get nothing.

It's like interviewing a policemen in Ferguson, they won;t give you much if anything at all.

noleisthebest wrote:Talking of tabboo topics, did anyone dare utter the "N" word?

When I brought up Serena.... "off the record please".

He said that was a very interesting case and strange it got out there but we don't deal with individual players, its more collective, kind of archaic. 

I was running out of time and with that hint, I thought I would steer away.

Kim Jong-Un wrote:

luvsports! wrote:
From doing miserably at school (going to a crap uni), I have really accelerated onto a good degree, top journo course in the country and doing things like this. If you had told me I would be where I am 5 years ago, I would have guffawed at ya.

Keep at it !
With Neil Harman sacked, perhaps one day you can be his long term replacement

As the next serial plagiarist?  
I think I have the bug for investigative work, but if not tennis.

luvsports! wrote:

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Luvsports, did he seem underprepared, or was it just that your questions were so valid he had no answer anyway ?

Not at all. He had me in his pocket at the start.

You would be surprised how sycophantic, obsequious and pathetic the media are. Never asking proper questions! 

I have been working on this for a couple of weeks now speaking to Simon Cambers (interviewed ITF guy before), Nick Harris (Mail & Sporting intelligence), Don Catlin (one of the earliest world experts on anti doping) Sandro Donati, Rieu, Mendoza etc - real experts and with diligent work and persistence, it isn't crazy hard to find - I am good at researching.

They were valid but he has the power. Holds all the aces and all the keys. It's up to you to provide indefatigable evidence and even then you may get nothing.

It's like interviewing a policemen in Ferguson, they won;t give you much if anything at all.

I don't think he holds anything. He's a dispensable puppet clinging to his little job. Just another guy in a suit.

He'll feel like "sh*t", and you'll have a sweet night sleep tonight.

Imagine if someone in the crowd asked Nadal "How's doctor Fuentes" during every one of his matches!

Too many cowards in this world...

Digging works! 
I've got some incriminating evidence on the ITF that I cannot believe has not been investigated further.
It's not massive, but it shows they are lying as I expected!
Hint... Cilic case.

You've got to tell us now!

luvsports! wrote:Haha ta but I ain't in your guys' league.
Supposed to have a 30min slot, ended up being a 75min one.

Well done. It will help you and us understand why it is really hard to fight doping. I am pretty sure the ITF and your guy want a clean sport but...it is a bit more complicated than that.

I'll keep you posted

One thing I dont get is Miller in general.
I had him ruffled, seriously flummoxed and on the back foot.
And I’m a nobody, not that well versed or particularly incisive and I was able to do this.

Why has nobody else done this properly!?!?

luvsports! wrote:One thing I dont get is Miller in general.
I had him ruffled, seriously flummoxed and on the back foot.
And I’m a nobody, not that well versed or particularly incisive and I was able to do this.

Why has nobody else done this properly!?!?

You will see that if you wish to have a full time job in the business, you will have no choice but to turn a blind eye as well.

NEver!

nothing new...but did not know that Olivier had been at it again last year.

http://au.ibtimes.com/rafael-nadal-doping-spaniard-accused-injecting-ped-locker-room-during-australian-open-finals-1331893

I like the link at the bottom with people asking more scrutiny on the time rule.

That claim was so mind bogglingly stupid that He lost all credibility.
Who on earth could watch Nadal barely moving and serving below 95mph and think 'ah he's received a real boost from that break'.

I agree. It was stupid from Olivier....though he certainly feels the need to say it cause he knows too well what's behind teh curtain. He knows more than you and me. Don't you think?. Also that's something he felt he could say as the rest of the field is probably constantly talking about it.

What I always found suspicious, is not so much Nadal's attitude, but his fans who seem to know better and find all the possible counter arguments without ever having genuine questions themselves as one would expect from being real fans of the sport.

Tenez wrote:I agree. It was stupid from Olivier....though he certainly feels the need to say it cause he knows too well what's behind teh curtain. He knows more than you and me. Don't you think?. Also that's something he felt he could say as the rest of the field is probably constantly talking about it.

What I always found suspicious, is not so much Nadal's attitude, but his fans who seem to know better and find all the possible counter arguments without ever having genuine questions themselves as one would expect from being real fans of the sport.

I am stupid, too.
Long live the stupid!

They are all on it. That's the attitude that will put you in good stead.

I just saw that other link.

Interesting website "Tennis tonic".
Federer give them an interview and such a good one, it didn't spread across the net for some reason.

I really like when he mentioned "the need to say it".
They really do. The more, the better.

Well, this definitely brings back some hope...

"Roger Federer has recently criticised Rafael Nadal for using too much time during break and not getting penalised for it. Tennis Tonic, one of the leading tennis sites, conducted a poll asking fans if Federer was right in attacking the current world's no.1. Apparently, the result isn't surprising at all.

According to the latest poll update on the site, 76 per cent of the voters wanted Nadal to get penalised for breaching a very basic rule by committing overtime violations, while 24 per cent showed their support for the Mallorcan bull.

Federer was apparently fed up to see Nadal getting away without a point deduction each time he used too much time during injury breaks.  During the Australian Open final match against Stanislas Wawrinka, Nadal also spent several minutes on the sideline as he tried to get some treatment on his injured back.

"Rafa is doing a much better job today than he used to. I'm not complaining much about the time. But I think I've played him, what, three times. He's gotten two point penalties over the course of our rivalry. I just think that's not quite happening
I mean, we know how much time he used to take. I'm not complaining about so many things. But either you have rules or you don't. If you don't have rules, it's fine. Everybody can do whatever they want to do.

nitb: Yes, he is but dragging his feet.
It was disgusting when he threatened ed Bernades in Rio. IN PUBLIC!!!

........

"I just think it's important to enforce the rules on many levels, whatever it may be. On all the players the same way. Don't give me or Djokovic a free pass just because of who we are. I think we should all be judged the same way. Not just a guy on Court 16 because the guy had a brutal rally, you have to give him a time violation just because you can.

On center court, they're always going to be afraid, the umpires, to take those decisions. I just like to challenge them a little bit. I just hope they do their job correctly. If they don't, what are you going to do? Sit and watch. Sometimes you just got to say things. I didn't lose the match because of that. It didn't bother me. I just felt I had to mention something."

nitb: In fact, Nadal was revolting (as well as Toni) I think it was last year when he basically questioned their existence, calling for umpires to be abolished as we now have hawkeye....he had a go at  Eva Asderaki, too.

Nadal: "I accept that sometimes I was slow and I respect that. I don't want to change any rule. The negative thing in my opinion is not the warning. The negative thing is the moment: 4-4, deuce. You can choose another moment to do it, not that one.

nitb: yet how many times was that "moment" that decided his many "wins"

"We need referees who understand the game. The rules cannot go against the good show. If you are playing with 40 degrees, you cannot expect to have 20 or 25 seconds recovery.

If you are playing crazy rallies, you cannot have 25 seconds [to] recover because then you will not have more rallies because the players cannot have it. So that goes against the fans, against the show.

nitb: noone's forcing you to play "crazy rallies", Rafa. It's your own and ONLY choice.
You cannot win any other way.
Try cutting points to 5-6 shots and you'll be fine.

"But I repeat: nothing against the rules. I accept the rules. Sometimes I am wrong. Sometimes I am too slow and I accept that. I respect the decision of the referee even if I am not happy for that.

I will try to go quicker in the future. But it is important to have people on the chair that really understand the game and people who manage this sport who understand the game."

All these umpires were fine until Nadal came on the scene...and then they suddenly lost the  ability to "understand" the game...



The guy is a cancer of tennis.

Nadal: "I accept that sometimes I was slow and I respect that. I don't want to change any rule. The negative thing in my opinion is not the warning. The negative thing is the moment: 4-4, deuce. You can choose another moment to do it, not that one.
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That is actually likely the time Nadal is going to take even longer to unsettle his opponent as well as requiring max 02 absorption. why is he surprise they tell him off then?

Kyrgios frustrated about being tested twice (!) in two months. He was also angry about losing some luggage apparently, so in that state of mind didn't think much about the effect of his writings. 

He seems to think that this is some kind of high frequency?!? Instead he involuntarily reveals, just how poor the testing is. I mean, you can easily dodge up to 2 ooc tests if you avoid testers carefully by way of hiding while still glowing!

Still, I'd be interested which other players he'd love to see tested, but have my suspicions.

intersting an inside view.....sorry oin French so use a translate app.

https://fr.sports.yahoo.com/news/natation-sexe-drogue-natation-amaury-leveaux-sort-une-130818219--spt.html

In short recreational and doping drugs are everywhere....even during Olympics 2012.

Amazing to see that all venues are exploited to gain advantage...

And I used to naively/romantically believe Gasquet really tested positive for cocaine because a girl kissed him...

Also confirms Agassi and his use of meth helped him with tennis, despite many saying it was "just" recreational.

In fact, the word used in the link "trance" does make sense in swimming...you really need to have that extra crazy state of mind to be able to push your body to perform a milisecond or stg faster than your opposition...all in the name of breaking a record and making news...because media has to sell the myth how we humans are continually geting "better"...

https://fr.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jeu-decisif/djokovic-lequilibre-dans-le-desequilibre-203647868.html

A good article explaining Djoko's success. In short it is his ability to bring the ball in all positions (not very academic or elegant). I'd say he shares this with Nadal and Murray, the 3 get a good fair share of UEs thanks to their opponents UEs. The opponent knows he simply has to go for lines.....no other alternatively as not as fit.

Thanks, T!

Looks like an interesting article. I've bookmarked it for when I can grab a bit more time to read it without translation.
My French is going to improve really fast

There are a lot of players who play the same percentage style, but lacking in lung capacity.

I just still can't get my head around how it actually works in a body.
The mere thought lung capacity can increase with stuff is weird.

By how much, 20, 30%?

Oops....wasn't meant to be in that thread!

It's all about having lots of red cells.

Tenez wrote:Oops....wasn't meant to be in that thread!

It's all about having lots of red cells.

I did say I'll read it later...

The comment was for your paragraph below, esp the "keeping the ball in play" bit.

Tenez wrote:https://fr.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jeu-decisif/djokovic-lequilibre-dans-le-desequilibre-203647868.html

A good article explaining Djoko's success. In short it is his ability to bring the ball in all positions (not very academic or elegant). I'd say he shares this with Nadal and Murray, the 3 get a good fair share of UEs thanks to their opponents UEs. The opponent knows he simply has to go for lines.....no other alternatively as not as fit.

These guys are good. They don't put the ball just anywhere when defending, they put them somewhere where it hurts.

Very interesting experiment!

https://fr.sports.yahoo.com/news/dopent-volontairement-pendant-mois-leffet-spectaculaire-131810008--spt.html?vp=1

Some French athletes deliberately doped to see whether they coudl get away with it and show how much time and power they could gain from it.

Really impressive. Will try to translate. ...

Thanks, T.

Very sad to read it.
The comments below were kind of interesting, too.
French seem to be more mature and open about it recognising and even accepting doping (or being resigned about it).

"We change the world"...indeed...back to animals.

Just watching matches in Istanbul and hearing Federer grunt with physical exertion on many shots was almost disturbing.

What has happened to the beautiful game of tennis...

It's so interesting....cause they are saying that with that kind of progression *31s over 3000m, it would make the number 41 in the world....number 1!

Exactly what I have been saying regarding Nadal.....but more so cause in tennis we know that Nadal without that physical edge has simply no weapon.

This experience is great as it proves that it is nowadays all about having the right dope!

It explains why Federer can beat Nadal 63 60 in London and then a few weeks later loses in 4 to Nadal in AO12 showing an out-of-this-world power and form.

Yes, tennis, compared to athletics or cycling needs ultimate levels of coordination.

The fact Nadal has managed to win so much with so little is frightening.

The logical question is where the limits of human body lie.

Every Roland Garros, we write Nadal off, but he comes out physically superior to everyone.

I'll never forget how he totally destroyed Murray and Ferrer last year.

Again, this year he looks vulnerable, loses matches...but in a few weeks he'll have guaranteed easy draws and passage to week 2 after which he becomes physically unstoppable.

In fact, I see no end to "progress" of "medicine".
"Stem-cells" is such a convenient umbrella for today's "doctors".

This week should give us some clue about his chance for the FO.

The 20/25 seconds rule is the one to watch in future...are they going to persevere with it?

It doesn't sound logical that they will, it hurts the show.

What's the big deal if Bernardes penalises Nadal (gosh, I'm even seeing a new conspiracy budding here... ) in a Mickey Mouse tournament? (sorry Rio!) if he gets away with it during slams?
It's like WADA catching Cilic and Troicki as scapegoats and reassuring fans how they are doing their job!

Timing is everything....

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Interesting. Federer certainly did not seem troubled by those drugs as his children came along while at top of his form. Djoko looks ok too in that regard. Nadal, Murray? they have yet to prove their nuts are no peanuts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/32734294

...LOL! The power of drugs!

Can't you see that Gatlin's losing a step...at 33!

Just dedication and oatmeal!

Exactly.

Everett on Nadals decline:
She can deny it's what she's really saying,  but it's pretty clear what she believes.  

"because he’s leaner now, his legs, I mean, they were pumped up more. I don’t mean this to sound the way it probably is sounding. But I think he looks leaner and maybe isn’t as powerful as he used to be. I’m uncomfortable. I’m not implying anything, but at the same time he just doesn’t look as imposing as he used to. Every muscle in his body was pumped up. He used that for explosion. He doesn’t have that explosion anymore. I don’t know. The edge is off of his game."

Interesting indeed. Who is Everett?