The doping program joke of the ITF!!!

Kim is rather rotund no?

luvsports! wrote:Kim is rather rotund no?

No, everyone else is just too thin.

http://global3.memecdn.com/hes-not-fat-hes-just-big-boned-kim-jong-un_o_718118.jpg

Great haircut as well.

noleisthebest wrote:

Kim Jong-Un wrote:

Autumnleaf wrote:He must be the most hated player of all time for sure. NITB called Nadal the death of tennis and he might be in a very real sense.

Hah! Only because of some upset Federer fans who cry over the Slam H2H between Federer and Nadal, and spend huge amounts of time making excuses for it to try and compensate for it.
Nadal is loved by many, his popularity is huge especially among the younger generations.

From what I've seen, Nadal fans are either little blokes, or fat 50+ women...

Kim Jong-Un wrote:

Autumnleaf wrote:He must be the most hated player of all time for sure. NITB called Nadal the death of tennis and he might be in a very real sense.

Hah! Only because of some upset Federer fans who cry over the Slam H2H between Federer and Nadal, and spend huge amounts of time making excuses for it to try and compensate for it.
Nadal is loved by many, his popularity is huge especially among the younger generations.

Kim, I would never argue that Nadal is not popular, he surely is the second most beloved player besides the most hated. I also don't think that there is any generational gap, just personal preference.

However the point still stands: he is easily the most hated player too, which doesn't exclude popularity among a different target group. Please don't presume you know the reasons why people dislike Nadal. There may well be people who dislike him because he cost Fed so many slams, but I doubt it's the majority. I dislike him a lot, but I have argued many times that he has enhanced Fed's legacy in a way, so why would I dislike him for that per se? It's very different reasons, but I understand that Nadal fans comfort themselves with that thought. They cannot imagine that people might have a different view of him.

I don't dislike Nadal cause he ruined Federer's slam count. I don;t like nadal because of the way he did it.

I woudl support Nadal over Federer had he more talent. I told you so many times didn't I?

Difference between dislike and hatred.
From the observations I've made, people can dislike Nadal or his game for many reasons- it is defensive, he doesn't have a SHBH, or they may dislike his personality because he doesn't say anything controversial/exciting in interviews.
However in terms of people who hate him- the vast majority do so because he kept beating Federer in Slams. It's quite funny too how people even pretend otherwise, and make up shoddy excuses.

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Difference between dislike and hatred.
From the observations I've made, people can dislike Nadal or his game for many reasons- it is defensive, he doesn't have a SHBH, or they may dislike his personality because he doesn't say anything controversial/exciting in interviews.
However in terms of people who hate him- the vast majority do so because he kept beating Federer in Slams. It's quite funny too how people even pretend otherwise, and make up shoddy excuses.

Nah, the only reason to hate Nadal (still as a tennis player, not a person, mind you) is in context of this thread, i.e. because he is seen as a cheat. If I had even the slightest belief that his achievements are legit, I'd be ok with him. Unfortunately I don't and instead believe that he is a player who pushed physicality to a new, never before seen level using nefarious means and thereby he forced other players to keep up there and imitate him.

Yep, that demonstrates what I'm saying.

Autumnleaf wrote:

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Difference between dislike and hatred.
From the observations I've made, people can dislike Nadal or his game for many reasons- it is defensive, he doesn't have a SHBH, or they may dislike his personality because he doesn't say anything controversial/exciting in interviews.
However in terms of people who hate him- the vast majority do so because he kept beating Federer in Slams. It's quite funny too how people even pretend otherwise, and make up shoddy excuses.

Nah, the only reason to hate Nadal (still as a tennis player, not a person, mind you) is in context of this thread, i.e. because he is seen as a cheat. If I had even the slightest belief that his achievements are legit, I'd be ok with him. Unfortunately I don't and instead believe that he is a player who pushed physicality to a new, never before seen level using nefarious means and thereby he forced other players to keep up there and imitate him.

Same here...but even if he was legit...his extra time taking wasn't and that was crucial to his wins as well.

It;s the whole thing that comes with the player which i find difficlt to like.

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Yep, that demonstrates what I'm saying.

How so, Kim?

Piecing together some hard hitting questions for the ITF in Roehampton about the Odesnik saga. Very excited.

Be brave and keep us posted!

The annoying thing is that I need to be smart and not go all guns blazing. It has to be measured and respectful which is not what I want to do but if I want to get an interview it has to be done.
Sucks that that is the case.

I once heard that if you want to criticise, for every point you raise you need to say 5 good things first.
I wouldn't know, as I'm not good at beating about the bush....
but still think it's possible to find balance without compromising integrity.

You can always mention Fuentes case innocently, as that's legit...what were you thinking of asking?

Don't worry, you'll be fine!

Haha that first point is probably very true! Shucks.

Fuentes may set alarm bells ringing. That would be a last question.

Mainly about odesnik and why his ban was reduced to a year in 2010 after his so called "assistance".

Yes, Odesnik case is very interesting...realistically, nobody wants to know the truth, they wouldn't know what to do with it, which is why everyone's happier to keep their heads in the sand and pretend all's  well.

What intrigues me is why this sudden drastic 15 year ban?

Usually second offences are much harsher i.e. Ricco (cyclist) for 12 years. 
But it is almost double the length of the ban Puerta received 8 years (later reduced to 2 years by cas) for his second violation, so yes it is very interesting!

Also just lol at this. The lesson is kids, cheat twice and if you're good enough you can get a lucrative deal with Nike! 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3012135/Justin-Gatlin-Nike-deal-slammed-British-athletes-drugs-cheat-gets-sponsorship.html

What a mess...as far as I'm concerned nobody is clean in top athletics, so it's nauseating to see all these high-horsed condemnations.

luvsports! wrote:The annoying thing is that I need to be smart and not go all guns blazing. It has to be measured and respectful which is not what I want to do but if I want to get an interview it has to be done.
Sucks that that is the case.

Very important. Measured but watertight!

I need more than the ITF because 1) they will probs shoot me down (but i do need their input to make it more balanced) 2) they wont give me much as i am going after them!

I have tweeted all sorts (Donati - doping expert and advisor), the dad of the tennis player who wanted to legalise doping, an aussie guy who was an anti doping chief, stuart miller (itf anti doping), past players who have spoken out etc

Buzzing!

Yes! Interview with itf anti doping head honcho

[ltr]stuart millar[/ltr]

You must be kidding!!! Well done!

haha cheers
Need to find some real good stuff because atm the extensive research I have done I can see him finding his way around and being very evasive.

Listen LS,
You've only got one life.
Just look the guy in the eye and ask him the question.
It's all about confidence.

Don't get daunted by the name.
He's just a guy like you who once was at the bottom of the pile, too.
You aren't blunt by nature anyway, so you'll be fine.

Go for it

luvsports! wrote:haha cheers
Need to find some real good stuff because atm the extensive research I have done I can see him finding his way around and being very evasive.

Yes I remember readong some of his stuff on Tennis has got a steroids problem blog.....The thing is you will find a hard time getting anything out of him. He has all his answered already prepared.

Good luck!

I think he's done a good job, tell him that I send my warm wishes, and hope he continues to take the strong action he is against doping in tennis.

Yes but there is a difference between having an interview and nailing one and feeling you couldn't do anymore!

It would have been easy for the ITF to lay off and be soft with just a pretence that they're tough on doping to satisfy the fans, but they didn't take the easy option; they took the brave option of increasing testing and introducing biological passports- good for the sportsman who are protected against doping creeping into the sport and good for the fans who know they are watching a sport they can trust.

I can never tell if your joking or not kimju

luvsports! wrote:I can never tell if your joking or not kimju

I can....he is taking the piss.

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:I can never tell if your joking or not kimju

I can....he is taking the piss.

Me, too.
I think OTF is like a Nadal steroid work-out fandom session for Kimmy.
After each one, he comes out "stronger" and his love for Nadal grows.

Ir's quite amusing and not so prosaic like Nadal's female fans.

The ITF has one main objective in mind: to help hard working families.
Hard working families, whether they're tennis fans or tennis players, are the people the ITF want to help get on in life.

That's why the ITF has a long term anti-doping plan. Our long term anti-doping plan is delivering stability and security for many tennis players, who want to have a doping free sport. Let's continue with our anti-doping plan, and not go back to square one and undo all the hard work.

Also crucial to the ITF's message, is our commitment for both a stronger anti-doping programme and a fairer tennis society. Some people will tell you that it's only one or the other; but they're wrong. We need both.
And lastly, I think we have to stand up for the many, not just the privileged few. The same rules should apply to everyone, we can't let off people who want to hide their urine and blood in shady Swiss blood-bank storage, or Monaco.

This is about hard working families. This is about you.

.........
Anyway.
Need to do the necessary pandering before launching into the hard hitting q's.

As a professional schmoozer, this should be a piece of cake for you!

Haha well remembered. However that was just to get onto centre court and court no1!

NITB - you mentioned asking about Puerto.

This is part of an interview Simon Cambers did with the ITF anti doping chief Stuart Miller.

Operacion Puerto blood bags potential binning – still hopeful they may see light of day?
I think every anti-doping agency is hopeful the identity of the people who provided the blood in there will come to light. That includes Wada and the Spanish anti-doping agency downwards. It doesn’t help that there is rumour and speculation about the types of athletes that allegedly own or produce the blood in those bags. Whether it will happen or not is clearly anybody’s guess but I would argue that is in the best of interest of sport in the long term to end the speculation and come out into the public domain. That’s my understanding – there was a decision in the case that they should be destroyed, that was appeal, and it’s pending that appeal.


I'm putting out requests for q's

This guy is not interested in finding the culprit. He is only interested in "the best interest of the sport"..which means to find the best way to clear the sport.

Their role is to reassure the fans. Nothing else.

Anti doping chief title should be changed to chief pr fan boy.

So any questions T?

LS,

this is your moment.
It doesn't get much better at the start of your journalistic career, esp having in mind what your final paper was about.

So, you have all the questions in you already, it's just about finding the way and will to form them.

As I said, you don't have much you lose.

The worst you can do is you cave in to fear and lose yourself.

And then you have to live with it.

I'll probably ask a simple question as: how do you explain that player are taller and bigger than 10 years ago, yet they can run faster and longer than 10 years ago?

"some scientists recently revealed that an one off intake of steroids can enhance performance (or have beneficial effect) for as long as 10 years later....How can we sort those who took steroids once from those who didin't? Especially considering that steroids are actually used before a player becomes professional or at least get enough scrutinity from anti doping agent?"

I am convinced that Nadal, Murray, Coric and many others took steroids before they were on teh radar and that helped them way through their peak career.

Very interesting indeed. I checked his career and he has none. Though ATP recorded a couple of his matches.

But it is very clear that taking PEDs early is the way to go. While juniors are not yet under the radar, they take steroids which is going to have an effect for life.

I'm off guys, wish me luck!

Excellent find, LS!

So crucial to do something  about steroid use among children.
I don't know about long-term consequences of such early use, but they cannot be good, can they?

Thing is, maybe Britain and some other Western countries would have to do stg about it not out of "love" for children, but the sheer legal child protection act thing, Spain, Latin America etc...don't think so.

Totally different culture...

I deliberately didn't want to write anything about the return of Tipsarevic.
One Serbian player I never liked.

I knew he had a bad heel injury which kept him out of tennis for the last 17 months, but only last week found out he actually had tumor in the foot and two surgeries.

The last had 80% cut out of his foot, so amazing that he managed to return to this level of competition.

I find it strange that tumor ocurred in a foot like that and my first thought was that it was because of steroid use.
I'm sure we can all remember that photo of his thighs...

luvsports! wrote:I'm off guys, wish me luck!

Ice in the veins, fire in the heart!
Go get 'em LS!!!

Soooo....how did it go?

It's hard to explain but in short I impressed him a lot. He said I did a lot of good research and deffo had his respect.
It was great 2bh. Getting the anti doping chief of the itf on the back foot and make him squirm and give him a good grilling was great for my confidence.

The main thing I wanted I didn't get due to legal constraints but it was a brilliant experience. Made him look silly at times!

luvsports! wrote:It's hard to explain but in short I impressed him a lot. He said I did a lot of good research and deffo had his respect.
It was great 2bh. Getting the anti doping chief of the itf on the back foot and make him squirm and give him a good grilling was great for my confidence.

The main thing I wanted I didn't get due to legal constraints but it was a brilliant experience. Made him look silly at times!

Good stuff

After going through debates on these forums LS, I'm sure you've been well trained to maul the head of any agency.