Re: ATP 1000: Indian Wells

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:26 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Its better it gets over soon. Djoko vs delpo is what m waiting for. Its 2 30 am here

I woudl like Djoko to win on this occasion for the obvious reason. Djoko would be the benchmark to measure how far Nadal is from the top.

To be honest T, regardless what happens tomorrow, i've seen enough. For me he's favorite to win RG and a couple of other clay tournaments. He's now playing a game he used to be not very confortable with (hence the UE's) but still he wins. So you can imagine what happens when he's on a roll on clay. This puts all the bullsh!t team Nadal has put on us for all those months in perspective. I reckon he has been training for at least 5 months, on his fitness and fine tuning this more aggressive game. And of course spending time on his knee-friendly jet ski. Lance is a sincere man compared with Nadal

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...That really made me laugh! Nadal winning another RG much less. ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 10 563610107

I agree he played well today but I don;t think RG will be as slow as IW. I stick to Nadal not winning half of his clay TMS...especially if Murray and Djoko are on.

by paulcz Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:30 pm

[quote="Tenez"]

paulcz wrote:
Tenez wrote:Why are we watching this? Berdych is terrible. He doesn;t want to win. He's been paid by Larry to let Rafa go.[/quote
If Berd was terrible, then I do not know what Fed was, I do not mean only their last session.

I woudl say essentially what I said above. Fed is very strong mentally and starts very well v Rafa until he tires. Berdych starts badly and chokes before he gets tired (especially today as there wasn't many long rallies). He started to play his game in that very last game when he had nothing to lose...except when he had everything to lose (in those BPs) as he coudl not return a serve in. He is not a skilled players....he has a big FH like ALL tall guys but besides that? Not sure.

I think Fed won something like 10 matches in a row until his got back problem (2008) and a few of those wins Berdych got were again from MPs down....when he had nothing to lose.

I know you like him and you are a fan. I am not trying to criticise him for free. I believe I am just saying what we coudl all observe.

Fed has had much better stamina than Berd, but when Fed is broken he looks even worse than Berd. If Berd had legs of Fed, he would not choke in a way which Fed does with him.

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:40 pm

paulcz wrote:Fed has had much better stamina than Berd, but when Fed is broken he looks even worse than Berd. If Berd had legs of Fed, he would not choke in a way which Fed does with him.

I really don't think you are quite right here. We can't compare Fed's mental's strength with Berdych's and explain the difference in their record thanks to Fed's better stamina...even if he has (thanks to his more energy friendly game).

I did not want to see Berdych lose today but frankly he lived to his reputation.

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:41 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Its better it gets over soon. Djoko vs delpo is what m waiting for. Its 2 30 am here

I woudl like Djoko to win on this occasion for the obvious reason. Djoko would be the benchmark to measure how far Nadal is from the top.

To be honest T, regardless what happens tomorrow, i've seen enough. For me he's favorite to win RG and a couple of other clay tournaments. He's now playing a game he used to be not very confortable with (hence the UE's) but still he wins. So you can imagine what happens when he's on a roll on clay. This puts all the bullsh!t team Nadal has put on us for all those months in perspective. I reckon he has been training for at least 5 months, on his fitness and fine tuning this more aggressive game. And of course spending time on his knee-friendly jet ski. Lance is a sincere man compared with Nadal

...That really made me laugh! Nadal winning another RG much less.

I agree he played well today but I don;t think RG will be as slow as IW. I stick to Nadal not winning half of his clay TMS...especially if Murray and Djoko are on.

the funniest part is, i wasn't even joking. ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 10 1071211947

Berdych is a choker, but he's also a hyena. He senses if his opponant is carrying some sort of weakness. That's why he's Mr. tough guy against Federer these days. Today you could see there wasn't much blood to smell for berd. I think Rafa's presence on court must be quite strong again, which only will get stronger upcoming months.

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:51 pm

gallery play wrote:Berdych is a choker, but he's also a hyena. He senses if his opponant is carrying some sort of weakness. That's why he's Mr. tough guy against Federer these days. Today you could see there wasn't much blood to smell for berd. I think Rafa's presence on court must be quite strong again, which only will get stronger upcoming months.

I think the reason Berd does well v Federer these days is that Fed feeds him with a clean hit ball he can rest on. It's much easier to time than Nadal's loopy ones. I am not sure Berdych smells the blood that well. He simply sees a slower and lower ball coming at him (different than in Fed's form days) and simply likes it....yet he found himself 3 MPs down last time they played. He also has no complex v Federer cause he knows he has nothing to lose...whereas v Nadal you always have to make the game, take the risk and no free points and that is a pressure he doesn;t like.

He was disappointed today cause he made many UEs even when the ball was not particularly bouncy..and did not have enough pace on his FH to compensate.

by paulcz Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:52 pm

Tenez wrote:
paulcz wrote:Fed has had much better stamina than Berd, but when Fed is broken he looks even worse than Berd. If Berd had legs of Fed, he would not choke in a way which Fed does with him.

I really don't think you are quite right here. We can't compare Fed's mental's strength with Berdych's and explain the difference in their record thanks to Fed's better stamina...even if he has (thanks to his more energy friendly game).

I did not want to see Berdych lose today but frankly he lived to his reputation.

I do not dispute the fact that Fed is better player than Berd and his mental strength. I aimed to their comparison how they cope with Moribundus phantom. I remember so many squandered BP from Fed, that Berd is a pure beginner. I still say the same either Fed or Berd, to play with Moribundus a patient game from BL does not lead to a good result. The only exception is Nole.
Berd is heavier by 10 kg against Fed, so he is surely limited in his endurance on the court. I am a fan of everybody who plays against Mori. Berd is not my favorite player, although he deserves more praise than he gets.

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:58 pm

gallery play wrote:the funniest part is, i wasn't even joking.

I know you were not and seeing Nadal today it also crossed my mind. I even wondered whether he was faking his slow mouvement in the earlyier clay tour.

I thought though that Nadal was playing from very back...despite this being a very slow court....I don;t think he will be able to attack like that on faster courts (and that includes clay). But having said all that I never doubted that he woudl get back to his level and get better (it's there on this site) but I am certainly surprised he came back that quickly and you certainly warned us.

It feeds that silent ban rumour.

by paulcz Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:14 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:Berdych is a choker, but he's also a hyena. He senses if his opponant is carrying some sort of weakness. That's why he's Mr. tough guy against Federer these days. Today you could see there wasn't much blood to smell for berd. I think Rafa's presence on court must be quite strong again, which only will get stronger upcoming months.

I think the reason Berd does well v Federer these days is that Fed feeds him with a clean hit ball he can rest on. It's much easier to time than Nadal's loopy ones. I am not sure Berdych smells the blood that well. He simply sees a slower and lower ball coming at him (different than in Fed's form days) and simply likes it....yet he found himself 3 MPs down last time they played. He also has no complex v Federer cause he knows he has nothing to lose...whereas v Nadal you always have to make the game, take the risk and no free points and that is a pressure he doesn;t like.

He was disappointed today cause he made many UEs even when the ball was not particularly bouncy..and did not have enough pace on his FH to compensate.

Berd's approach is utterly the same either he plays with Fed or Moribundus. It is an active game and force the opponend from his comfort zone. Berd can outplay Fed from both wings at BL and he does not manage with Moribundus, that is all secrecy here.

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:25 pm

it's criminal to give guys like Djoko a court like this. I really feel sorry for Delpo, he's hitting the crap out of the ball but it's useless

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:25 pm

You all have to admit that those courts are ridiculously slow. The last set point just shows that there is no point attacking. Nadal could not dream of a better court.

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:32 pm

What is this guy doing on Delpo's foot? He might as well put his foot in a plaster cast and give him crutches.

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:38 pm

Djoko's returns are top notch

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:38 pm

gallery play wrote:it's criminal to give guys like Djoko a court like this. I really feel sorry for Delpo, he's hitting the crap out of the ball but it's useless

Was it criminal last year when Fed won, too?

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:40 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:it's criminal to give guys like Djoko a court like this. I really feel sorry for Delpo, he's hitting the crap out of the ball but it's useless

Was it criminal last year when Fed won, too?

It's was criminal he was able to win it.

Let's be reasonable here Nitb, that last game of the first set?! com'n!

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:41 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Was it criminal last year when Fed won, too?

I certainly don't remember them being that slow last year. It was a Isner Fed final so must have been ok.

I am certainly pretty convinced they were slowed down purposely.

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:43 pm

What Delpo has got to do to win a game!

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:45 pm

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:it's criminal to give guys like Djoko a court like this. I really feel sorry for Delpo, he's hitting the crap out of the ball but it's useless

Was it criminal last year when Fed won, too?

It's was criminal he was able to win it.

Let's be reasonable here Nitb, that last game of the first set?! com'n!

I haven't sen the last game of the first set, just the beginning of it. What's there to be reasonable about?

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:46 pm

Tenez wrote:What Delpo has got to do to win a game!

He good enough to do it like that, but definitly not for 3 sets

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:47 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:it's criminal to give guys like Djoko a court like this. I really feel sorry for Delpo, he's hitting the crap out of the ball but it's useless

Was it criminal last year when Fed won, too?

It's was criminal he was able to win it.

Let's be reasonable here Nitb, that last game of the first set?! com'n!

I haven't sen the last game of the first set, just the beginning of it. What's there to be reasonable about?

No comment, you know what i mean

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:48 pm

As far as I can tell, Novak's not liking the heat and he is feeling it with his head. I can't explain some of his ridiculous shot selection in the last two games any other way.
He'll pull himself together soon and blast Delpo away i straight sets, that I am sure of.
Delpo, too suffering in heat and won't be able to maintain any attacking for too long.

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:49 pm

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:it's criminal to give guys like Djoko a court like this. I really feel sorry for Delpo, he's hitting the crap out of the ball but it's useless

Was it criminal last year when Fed won, too?

It's was criminal he was able to win it.

Let's be reasonable here Nitb, that last game of the first set?! com'n!

I haven't sen the last game of the first set, just the beginning of it. What's there to be reasonable about?

No comment, you know what i mean

No, I don't. do you mind explainig it?

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:50 pm

Is there an uglier BH slice than Djoko's?

I can't think of one.

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:51 pm

If you really insist, I've been watching on and off, switching between watching and looking for a tennis dress for myself on ebay.

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:51 pm

noleisthebest wrote:As far as I can tell, Novak's not liking the heat and he is feeling it with his head. I can't explain some of his ridiculous shot selection in the last two games any other way.
He'll pull himself together soon and blast Delpo away i straight sets, that I am sure of.
Delpo, too suffering in heat and won't be able to maintain any attacking for too long.

Yes, tennis is like football these days: attacking is physically more demanding than defending

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:51 pm

Tenez wrote:Is there an uglier BH slice than Djoko's?

I can't think of one.

Yours?

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:53 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Is there an uglier BH slice than Djoko's?

I can't think of one.

Yours?

T, she's asking for it: show us your backhand slice

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:54 pm

noleisthebest wrote:He'll pull himself together soon and blast Delpo away i straight sets, that I am sure of.
Delpo, too suffering in heat and won't be able to maintain any attacking for too long.

You are most likely right but for that bold bit.

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:55 pm

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:As far as I can tell, Novak's not liking the heat and he is feeling it with his head. I can't explain some of his ridiculous shot selection in the last two games any other way.
He'll pull himself together soon and blast Delpo away i straight sets, that I am sure of.
Delpo, too suffering in heat and won't be able to maintain any attacking for too long.

Yes, tennis is like football these days: attacking is physically more demanding than defending

I don't know about you, but I don't even fancy going out of the house in 40 degrees heat, let alone play tennis. And btw, attaknig has always been more demanding both physically and mentally.

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:56 pm

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Is there an uglier BH slice than Djoko's?

I can't think of one.

Yours?

T, she's asking for it: show us your backhand slice

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. I certainly don't bend like he does...I have got dignity! Winking

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:57 pm

You mean you've got bad back from all that bending....

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:59 pm

Going back to Nadal: "How is your knee today? Some days it's good some days it's bad."

Read I win it's good, I lose or it was tight it's bad!

Precious. No pressure.

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:59 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:As far as I can tell, Novak's not liking the heat and he is feeling it with his head. I can't explain some of his ridiculous shot selection in the last two games any other way.
He'll pull himself together soon and blast Delpo away i straight sets, that I am sure of.
Delpo, too suffering in heat and won't be able to maintain any attacking for too long.

Yes, tennis is like football these days: attacking is physically more demanding than defending

I don't know about you, but I don't even fancy going out of the house in 40 degrees heat, let alone play tennis. And btw, attaknig has always been more demanding both physically and mentally.

Of course not. in tennis attacking means cutting the corners and do less running. But on a court like this it's like hitting a balloon against the wind

by summerblues Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:00 pm

Tenez wrote:Is there an uglier BH slice than Djoko's?

I can't think of one.

Or, in the beautiful words of eman (as I recall them): "Nole's backhand slice is a thing of unrivaled ugliness"

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:00 pm

Ouah....Delpo coudl really hurt this year if he doesn't get too badly injured.

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:01 pm

Tenez wrote:Going back to Nadal: "How is your knee today? Some days it's good some days it's bad."

Read I win it's good, I lose or it was tight it's bad!

Precious. No pressure.

Picture this: NAdal after winning IW: "i have no expectations for the clay season no?"

by gallery play Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:03 pm

Delpo: you're the man.

by summerblues Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:04 pm

Tenez wrote:Ouah....Delpo coudl really hurt this year if he doesn't get too badly injured.

But he will have the usual problem - it is just so hard to keep it up. Nole/Rafa will run everything down, and in the end the odds will be on their side.

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:05 pm

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:Is there an uglier BH slice than Djoko's?

I can't think of one.
Or, in the beautiful words of eman (as I recall them): "Nole's backhand slice is a thing of unrivaled ugliness"

Do you agree too?

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:06 pm

Yes, Delpo is good when he gets going. And well done to him for getting going and using Nole's stupid mental switch off.
Btw, what big break were the commentators talking about in between two sets?

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:07 pm

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:Ouah....Delpo coudl really hurt this year if he doesn't get too badly injured.
But he will have the usual problem - it is just so hard to keep it up. Nole/Rafa will run everything down, and in the end the odds will be on their side.

It's the same very thin line. He can make them run to exhaustion and that increases their goalposts for Delpo.

by summerblues Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:14 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, Delpo is good when he gets going. And well done to him for getting going and using Nole's stupid mental switch off.

You should be happy that Delpo is doing all right, there is only one aggressor in today's match, and it ain't Nole. So if you do not like ugly defensive tennis, you cannot possibly root for him today. Winking

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:15 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Yes, Delpo is good when he gets going. And well done to him for getting going and using Nole's stupid mental switch off.
You should be happy that Delpo is doing all right, there is only one aggressor in today's match, and it ain't Nole. So if you do not like ugly defensive tennis, you cannot possibly root for him today.

Delpo was not the aggressor in the first set, Novak was. But you failed to notice it conveniently...

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:16 pm

I've turned the sound off while typing a comment as I can't bear that Yank moron any more, is the set over?

by summerblues Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:16 pm

Tenez wrote: Do you agree too?

I do not hold it against players if their game is not pretty but it works - tennis is no ballet and wins are what matter to me in the end.

But yes, it is ugly as can be Winking

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:17 pm

OH, it's not, great!

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by summerblues Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:20 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Delpo was not the aggressor in the first set, Novak was.

Is that what your TV showed? On my TV, Delpo was the aggressor.

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:23 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Delpo was not the aggressor in the first set, Novak was.
Is that what your TV showed? On my TV, Delpo was the aggressor.

I suppose my Imac is superior to your TV ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 10 4006036031

by Tenez Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:23 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Delpo was not the aggressor in the first set, Novak was.
Is that what your TV showed? On my TV, Delpo was the aggressor.

I thought you did not watch the first set NITB?

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:25 pm

Tenez wrote:
summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Delpo was not the aggressor in the first set, Novak was.
Is that what your TV showed? On my TV, Delpo was the aggressor.

I thought you did not watch the first set NITB?

What makes you think I didn't? I was just enjoying it and letting you lot get on with bashing Berdych

by noleisthebest Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:27 pm

But I didn't see the end of it, that's true.

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