World Tour Final: 2016

Tenez wrote:I am actually quite impressed by Raonic. A good player in fact!

Imagine if he had not been injured so much.

I still find him a bore.

Robotic, with zero flair and a subpar BH.

He times some of his FHs well, but it feels like he'd drilled thise a trillion times before.

Nothing loose about his game.

Just like a tractor with a ferarri engine.

He will always be a bore....but it now can be a winning bore.

Do I sense that Raonic and Monfils dislike each other?

Tenez wrote:Do I sense that Raonic and Monfils dislike each other?

I dropped off...what made you think so?

Not much...just lots of shooting on the courts.

I thought Monfils was playing poorly...just didn't know what to do.

This new coach who is trying to discipline him hasn't done a good job...because it's difficult to discipline a player without a single weapon...so now Monfils has lost his only weapon - the magic weave!

And acts like a fool when he should do it least...he lost several big points trying to hit unnecessary tweeners...

But I suppose he qualified for WTF, so that must be some success, though I am nit sure he feels comfortable in that cage.

Djoko crashing mentally in press conference after the match, and behaving like a arrogant rich git.


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Feel for Thiem. It's almost the way isn't it? When it comes to Djokovic or even Murray for that matter. If their opponent has exhausted lots of energy in to winning one set, physically they tail off immediately. I knew even though Thiem had won the battle, he lost the war after that first set.

I did watch the doubles match with Murray. Another Hawkeye debacle on MP. Miryni rightfully annoyed with 1) the lateness of the call and 2) whether Hawkeye was correct.

Raonic was solid last night. Monfils erratic when it mattered most.

I thought the Djokovic press conference was telling. I did agree with him that the press are making out he is some kind of combustible individual. It was a Mirror reporter being an arse with the questions. The incident was ironic in the sense that even though Djokovic aimed the ball for his box, he missed. Like most of his shots in that 1st set

legendkillar wrote:Feel for Thiem. It's almost the way isn't it? When it comes to Djokovic or even Murray for that matter. If their opponent has exhausted lots of energy in to winning one set, physically they tail off immediately. I knew even though Thiem had won the battle, he lost the war after that first set.

As i pointed out already years ago, that was even more the case when players were facing Nadal. Very close first sets, if not Nadal often losing the first set....with the remaining sets being more and more on Nadal's favour.

It's called "professional tennis": Taking the talent out of the equation to rely on fitness a much more consistent, scientific weapon accessible to those who are in the know.

Raonic will blow him off court.

Jahu wrote:Raonic will blow him off court.

I think he can...if Rao plays as well as last night.

Tenez wrote:

legendkillar wrote:Feel for Thiem. It's almost the way isn't it? When it comes to Djokovic or even Murray for that matter. If their opponent has exhausted lots of energy in to winning one set, physically they tail off immediately. I knew even though Thiem had won the battle, he lost the war after that first set.

As i pointed out already years ago, that was even more the case when players were facing Nadal. Very close first sets, if not Nadal often losing the first set....with the remaining sets being more and more on Nadal's favour.

It's called "professional tennis": Taking the talent out of the equation to rely on fitness a much more consistent, scientific weapon accessible to those who are in the know.

I think there is too much 'safety' built into the modern player. Even those with copious amounts of talent. Many times yesterday Thiem had the chance to punish rather short and lifeless balls from Djokovic and kept playing down the middle of the court.

The one thing Nadal had was ridiculous spin. Djokovic and Murray have nothing near that, yet so many who face them play with far too much fear.

I don't think Thiem is that talented.

He relies on spin too much...plus stands too far back.
Goffin is more talented than him.

Tenez wrote:

Jahu wrote:Raonic will blow him off court.

I think he can...if Rao plays as well as last night.

Yes, that is quite possible.
Nole was returning below his standard yesterday.
I only saw a set and a half, but in the first set he was limp, lifeless, many short balls, inexplicable netted serves etc...

He can't afford that against Raonic.

wawrinka looking like a shadow of the player he was when winning the u.s open 

disgraceful comments and behaviour from djokovic in the press conference when asked about hitting a ball into the stands out of frustration
instead of saying that he was in the wrong,he shows a nasty side and that he has an attitude problem
i dont blame the crowd when  they cheer for his opponent,he certainly has given them enough reason to not support him

Veejay wrote:wawrinka looking like a shadow of the player he was when winning the u.s open 

disgraceful comments and behaviour from djokovic in the press conference when asked about hitting a ball into the stands out of frustration
instead of saying that he was in the wrong,he shows a nasty side and that he has an attitude problem
i dont blame the crowd when  they cheer for his opponent,he certainly has given them enough reason to not support him

In some ways yes and some ways no.

I think he should've apologised for his actions, however I can see why he got annoyed in the press conference when he knows that he isn't the most aggressive player on tour in terms of conduct.

In some ways an apology might've prevented the barrage of questions that followed.

It was a pure BS question and it deserved the treatment it got.

legendkillar wrote:

Veejay wrote:wawrinka looking like a shadow of the player he was when winning the u.s open 

disgraceful comments and behaviour from djokovic in the press conference when asked about hitting a ball into the stands out of frustration
instead of saying that he was in the wrong,he shows a nasty side and that he has an attitude problem
i dont blame the crowd when  they cheer for his opponent,he certainly has given them enough reason to not support him

In some ways yes and some ways no.

I think he should've apologised for his actions, however I can see why he got annoyed in the press conference when he knows that he isn't the most aggressive player on tour in terms of conduct.

In some ways an apology might've prevented the barrage of questions that followed.

I would never apologize to someone who wants me to! I'd have no problem apologizing to someone who is not looking for it.

Is Stan constipated?

What a crap play, wake the f up man.

I didn't see the match, the court mast be quicker than last year which is good!

Murray-Cilic will hopefully be competitive.

Would be an embarrassment if Andy does not win this.

legendkillar wrote:

Veejay wrote:wawrinka looking like a shadow of the player he was when winning the u.s open 

disgraceful comments and behaviour from djokovic in the press conference when asked about hitting a ball into the stands out of frustration
instead of saying that he was in the wrong,he shows a nasty side and that he has an attitude problem
i dont blame the crowd when  they cheer for his opponent,he certainly has given them enough reason to not support him

In some ways yes and some ways no.

I think he should've apologised for his actions, however I can see why he got annoyed in the press conference when he knows that he isn't the most aggressive player on tour in terms of conduct.

In some ways an apology might've prevented the barrage of questions that followed.

i dont see that as an excuse,had he hurt someone then it would have been a default 
i think the response was far worse then the action though
he really did himself no favours by reacting like that and i wont be surprised if it changes a few peoples opinion of him

WTF without Fed is a joke.

Only Djoko being crushed badly, would cure my WTF boredom.

Annabel Croft, still doable at her age.

Andy World NO 1!!!!!

Nice to hear it 

Jahu wrote:WTF without Fed is a joke.

Only Djoko being crushed badly, would cure my WTF boredom.

have to agree wth that jahu 
its just not the same without him

Jahu wrote:Annabel Croft, still doable at her age.

LOL! I like your tennis commentary.

Apparentl;y Murray and Cilic hate each others.

Murray accusing Cilic of doping!

Veejay wrote:

Jahu wrote:WTF without Fed is a joke.

Only Djoko being crushed badly, would cure my WTF boredom.

have to agree wth that jahu 
its just not the same without him

I want Murray to lose its number 1 spot and Cilic or Nishi to win WTF.

Tenez, got his cheque from serbian goverment today it seems, want's Djoko on No1 again  

Anyone but Djoko to win WTF, I'm fine.

It's terrible to see a player like Cilic who has played tennis all his life since the age of 5 making so many UEs on his FH. he is just too emotional.

He was lucky that in his USO final Nishi was even more emotional.

Jahu wrote:Tenez, got his cheque from serbian goverment today it seems, want's Djoko on No1 again  

Anyone but Djoko to win WTF, I'm fine.

I just dislike Murray nearly as much as yuo dislike Djoko.

I certainly don;t want Djoko to win that WTF..

Good to see Cilic on Fila, and not that Li-Ning chinese crap clothes he had for so long.

Tenez wrote:

Jahu wrote:Tenez, got his cheque from serbian goverment today it seems, want's Djoko on No1 again  

Anyone but Djoko to win WTF, I'm fine.

I just dislike Murray nearly as much as yuo dislike Djoko.

I certainly don;t want Djoko to win that WTF..

Would a weekend with Judy change your mind about him? 

It's very clear they hate each others.

Cilic is only playing his best when he is expected to lose.....in short versus Federer.

He shoudl win v Murray and Djoko but makes so many UEs....on easy sitters....very frustrating to watch.

Murray is playing poorly probably down to tiredness or injury...yet Cilic can't beat him. Depressing!

Bjorkman has a tough job with Cilic. A useless player actually.

Tenez wrote:Cilic is only playing his best when he is expected to lose.....in short versus Federer.

And in fact he lost versus federer at Wimby this year when suddenly he realised he was expected to win.

so far not a single match to rave about
WTF looking really poor this year
many empty seats as well,not a sold out event this year

Out of the 8 best doubles players, that is the best 16 doubles players, 3 players only are under 30. ....the other 13 are over 30 with an average of 35yo!!!! So difficult to comrprehend in a game you think reflexes are everything!

Has anyone got a clue why?

Veejay wrote:so far not a single match to rave about
WTF looking really poor this year
many empty seats as well,not a sold out event this year

Rememver last year? All the matches were ridiculously one sided.

Monfils v Thiem?

Any clue anyone? I'd put my money on Monfils as Thiem doesn't have the weapons to shake him off on this court.

Thiem beat him in their only meeting on a clay court slower than this one. Comfortably in the end. He can hit through the court definitelu./

well the match they played has a weird score...I'd like to see whether Thiem can do it here. My money still on Monfils though I won't put any real money on flaky Monfils.

Tenez wrote:Monfils v Thiem?

Any clue anyone? I'd put my money on Monfils as Thiem doesn't have the weapons to shake him off on this court.

I had similar thoughts yesterday...how tough it is to bet on matches now...so no betting for me this WTF.

Monfils was not great against Raonic, not sure he can beat Thiem, maybe 55% for Monfils max.

Monfils, counterpuncher with zero grit. Not the best combo....

thiem is showing a lot more consistency in this match in comparison to the opening round robin match

That's because he is playing Emmental Cheese now and The Wall on Sunday.

Monfils is injured...though it may not have changed the outcome of this match. He was playing very well up to the USO. Not sure what happened after that.