US OPEN MEN´S FINAL

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Wow, well done, 2 weeks ago it was predicted and it was predicted well
Rest can go to sleep now.

Congrats Andy! Well done, finally got his first slam. After his USO 2008 I felt sure he would win one. Expected it would happen sooner and over the years I started to have my doubts. But he did it, good for him.

I don't know how he did it, but he did it! Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Nole fought beautifully and saved this USO from a huge embarrassment.

This USO may have gone with the wind, but Scarlet o' Hara says in the end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-OoIvgtuzs

In all this I am happiest for Lendl.

Congrats Nole for playing his heart out.

Denial denial and more denial. Hilarious on the face of some of the nole supporters.

At least I saved the honour of Nole's name by winning the prediction game

Andy Murray. What a performance.

A large part of Britain won't sleep tonight. The bag-pipes are out.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:A large part of Britain won't sleep tonight. The bag-pipes are out.

I need some sleep now.

wow3 wrote:SB, I said before the open and Andy has done it. Well done!

Yes you did. Congrats! All in all, Andy has had an amazing summer. Will be interesting to see where he goes from here. I hope he gets a few more slams. I really think he has - unfortunately - wasted a few years playing wrong tactics. But he is still relatively young, so he still has time to beef up his resume.

noleisthebest wrote:I don't know how he did it, but he did it! Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Nole fought beautifully and saved this USO from a huge embarrassment.

What a load of embarrasingly biased ******!

******* and ***** like your posts.

Now control it here mikey. I know its very exhilarating to see Murray win, but doesn't mean you start to insult other posters. This forum does allows free speech, but no tolerance to personal insults.

Average shots per point 6.9
3 shots or less - 125
4 or more shots - 176
Longest rally 54 shots

Match length - 294 minutes (4:54) which matches the 1988 Wilander d Lendl (Murray's coach) match at 4:54.

7:47pm US ET - What? Now a time warning? What?? "I was on the line," Djokovic said. "It was already too long," Jake Garner said.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Now control it here mikey. I know its very exhilarating to see Murray win, but doesn't mean you start to insult other posters. This forum does allows free speech, but no tolerance to personal insults.

Mikey... please insult the players all you want... like this... Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Where is WoW when you need him?

ROTLA... Is this allowed?

noleisthebest wrote:SB, you are being pathetic, I thought hell hath no fury only over WOMEN scorned....

laverfan wrote:

Mikey... please insult the players all you want... like this... Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

I'm okay a bit okay when someone think a player's game is boring or cowardly. Aspects of the game is personal choice and it depends. But I don't like comments like "this player is crap". "His tennis is crap" is okay with me. Still better than insulting posters. Anyways none of the players are actually reading anything here.

When I first started posted on 606v2, and after some arguments about Murray. I was told by LK "You are the biggest tithead I've ever seen". Now that is a real crossing the limit.

laverfan wrote: Where is WoW when you need him?

I have my own differences with wow. He does get carried away when his player wins. Still not crossing limits.

laverfan wrote: ROTLA... Is this allowed?

noleisthebest wrote:SB, you are being pathetic, I thought hell hath no fury only over WOMEN scorned....

No, it should not be. For my defense I would say, I don't moderate this site. This is the only first time I'm editing someone's comment. And I was watching the match and wasn't taking part in discussing it here. I didn't see that comment from nitb. You can know this by looking at the thread, I've only posted when the match got over.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:No it should be.

I am very confused by this sentence's construction.

No, it should be [allowed]

or

No (is the answer) it should [not] be

or

No(t) should it be [allowed]! == it should No(t) [be allowed]


Please clarify. Your later comments make me think you were not involved during the match, hence No it should be [allowed to stand].

I meant it should NOT be allowed to stand.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:I meant it should NOT be allowed to stand.

Thanks for the clarification.

Not very impressed with Murray's on court interview at the prize distribution ceremony. Asked on about Lendl's contribution to this win, he looked highly reluctant to acknowledge it. He did say, but it didn't appear he really wanted to give credit to him.

overwhelmed by the moment and enormity of the occasion? perhaps.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Not very impressed with Murray's on court interview at the prize distribution ceremony. Asked on about Lendl's contribution to this win, he looked highly reluctant to acknowledge it. He did say, but it didn't appear he really wanted to give credit to him.

overwhelmed by the moment and enormity of the occasion? perhaps.

I never watched the ceremony, but I'm sure Nole didn't let his fans down

summerblues wrote:

wow3 wrote:SB, I said before the open and Andy has done it. Well done!

Yes you did. Congrats! All in all, Andy has had an amazing summer. Will be interesting to see where he goes from here. I hope he gets a few more slams. I really think he has - unfortunately - wasted a few years playing wrong tactics. But he is still relatively young, so he still has time to beef up his resume.

I think it's those "wrong tactics" that got him the slam actually. He forced Djoko to go for too much in those first 2 sets and that was it.

Though it's great for Murray, I am a bit disappointed to see yet another final being decided on the fittest. Tennis was poor, I simply do not remember much points.

One of the key was Murray having a better BH DTL. When Djoko managed many times to take MUrray wide, Djoko needed a BH DTL to keep control of the rally but way to often Djoko's DTL BH was simply placed in teh middle allowing Murray to retake control of the rally. That is the shot that prevented Djoko to win the FO v Nadal too. He plays this shot better when he is ahead but as he was contantly behind in that match, he never found teh confidence to hit pacy shots close to the lines with his BH. ANd his BH slice was terrible too.

Murray played solid but way too defensive again...However the conds at first and the tired Djoko (let's not forget that he played 3 sets the day before) provided Murray with his best chance and he seized it.

A monkey off his shoulder.

Tenez wrote:
One of the key was Murray having a better BH DTL. When Djoko managed many times to take MUrray wide, Djoko needed a BH DTL to keep control of the rally but way to often Djoko's DTL BH was simply placed in teh middle allowing Murray to retake control of the rally. That is the shot that prevented Djoko to win the FO v Nadal too. He plays this shot better when he is ahead but as he was contantly behind in that match, he never found teh confidence to hit pacy shots close to the lines with his BH. ANd his BH slice was terrible too.

A monkey off his shoulder.

Now that you mentined it, there really was a noticable absence of Nole's down the line shots on both wings. The wind in those first two sets was crucial for me, just took out all freshness both physically and mentally Nole needed to compete on an even keel for 5 sets, esp with no day of rest between his SF match and the final.

Djokovic did try "the shot" on the 2nd match point. Only it went long and it was over.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Djokovic did try "the shot" on the 2nd match point. Only it went long and it was over.

Just like in "real" life, some days you get them, some you don't. The beauty is in trying and savouring the rare times when they land in and paint the line

Yes but this DTL BH has been poor this year on his whole clay season v Nadal as well as v Murray yesterday. Maybe also v Federer at Wimby but there I am essentially watching Fed.

His BH DTL is far too conservative, deep enough but way too far from the side line and that is why he was not able to stretch Murray and keep him on his toes. But of course, on the highest part of the net, it;s a confident shot.

Now try to do that Single handedly!!!

mikeyM1000 wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I don't know how he did it, but he did it! Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Nole fought beautifully and saved this USO from a huge embarrassment.

What a load of embarrasingly biased ******!

******* and ***** like your posts.

Well I guess i misunderstood the bit that said "we value freedom of speech and not censoring the internet"

I wasn't describing a poster, just the posts - i put "like your posts", not "like you"

noleisthebest wrote:I don't know how he did it, but he did it! Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Nole fought beautifully and saved this USO from a huge embarrassment.

Hilarious sore loser!

You should have some grace, and class, like Djoko did in his speech.



Also Murray hit more winners than Djoko in this final, while Nadal gave Djoko a clay-court lesson this year at Roland Garros. Learn some respect.

I don't think you can call someone a sore loser - the thought police will get you.

'Sore loser' isn't a swear/dirty word Mikey...



Some people are sore losers, I have a friend who always makes up silly excuses when he loses at table-tennis.

Amritia3ee wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I don't know how he did it, but he did it! Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Nole fought beautifully and saved this USO from a huge embarrassment.

Hilarious sore loser!

You should have some grace, and class, like Djoko did in his speech.



Also Murray hit more winners than Djoko in this final, while Nadal gave Djoko a clay-court lesson this year at Roland Garros. Learn some respect.

AMRIT, you must be kidding, expecting grace from nhtb , she compensates for both Hawkeye and woofie on this ofrum.

Tenez wrote:Yes but this DTL BH has been poor this year on his whole clay season v Nadal as well as v Murray yesterday. Maybe also v Federer at Wimby but there I am essentially watching Fed.

His BH DTL is far too conservative, deep enough but way too far from the side line and that is why he was not able to stretch Murray and keep him on his toes. But of course, on the highest part of the net, it;s a confident shot.

Now try to do that Single handedly!!!

Don't worry, nobody likes and appreciates Fed's bakchand more than me (well, maybe you , but only if you insist! )

Amritia3ee wrote:'Sore loser' isn't a swear/dirty word Mikey...



Some people are sore losers, I have a friend who always makes up silly excuses when he loses at table-tennis.

Amrit, he was being sarcastic as how double standards have been followed here. Mikey is on your side.

mikeyM1000 wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I don't know how he did it, but he did it! Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Nole fought beautifully and saved this USO from a huge embarrassment.

What a load of embarrasingly biased ******!

******* and ***** like your posts.

Well I guess i misunderstood the bit that said "we value freedom of speech and not censoring the internet"

I wasn't describing a poster, just the posts - i put "like your posts", not "like you"

Mikey, I am with you mate. Apparently nitb is the same poster who was okay with Lydian being called a drag and advocating the freedom of sppech. The worst hypocrite I have ever come across in my life. Ignore her, she is not worth contemplating about. Paranoid, hypocrite, blinkered and foolhardy.

I only used one swear word. the other 2 words the exact same words nitb used to describe nadal/Muzza - but for me they got deleted.

mikeyM1000 wrote:I only used one swear word. the other 2 words the exact same words nitb used to describe nadal/Muzza - but for me they got deleted.

Mikey, you don't have to back down mate. I have already exposed the hypocrisy shown by some ignorant members of this forum. We need more posters like you here.

There ain;t noboby like me wow3

mikeyM1000 wrote:There ain;t noboby like me wow3

sure.

mikeyM1000 wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I don't know how he did it, but he did it! Similar to Nadal: game boring, cowardly and ugly.

Nole fought beautifully and saved this USO from a huge embarrassment.

What a load of embarrasingly biased ******!

******* and ***** like your posts.

Well I guess i misunderstood the bit that said "we value freedom of speech and not censoring the internet"

I wasn't describing a poster, just the posts - i put "like your posts", not "like you"

It wasn't me who said those words about not censoring etc.

I just asked you to keep things in control. I'm not here to do any moral policing, I don't moderate this site. I said already this was the only time I've ever edited anyone's comment.

I was just trying to keep things cool. Don't get me wrong.

My view of the final:

Andy won deseverdly on this day and I congratulate to him. He really showed an improvement and from the beggining of the final was enough confident and determined to win it. The winning OG assured him that he can do it. I had doubts that he will not keep his nerves under control and at big moments starts being nervous and blow up. Here I really can see Ivan´s positive contribution. He showed his best at crucial points in the first two sets. From the start he served very well when he needed, was better returner and although he counte-punched rallies he stood close to a base line and played balls more to the lines. He could come back in the fifth set when he showed a great determination to take it.

It was obvious from the beggining that windy conditions do not suit Nole´s game. Nole started shakily with under par first servis and did not play his ground strokes with his standard pace. Too many slices showed that he is playing too much carefuly than usually. Nole played mostly cross FHs without a length and just about middle of the court. He did many errors from DTL both sides. Slices, not good. He could step up and play more freely from the third. I do not know if the wind was not so strong or if he stepped up of his own spirit. He served better, played longer strokes, appeard more often at the net with decent volleys. But gradually his body showed that he is running out, he got in a deep defensive in the fifth set. Although he tried to play winners he could not hit them.

Some rallies were quite funny, the longest took 54 hits, it looked like that they will play until a string cracks. It was a real battle and showed a lot of their fighting spirit.

It is hard to say how the windy conditions influenced the match, only I could see that Nole was under his par, playing much more carefully and defensively than he usually plays.

Now it looks that TOP3 + 1 injured are in pretty good balance. The next match they play between them just depends on the surface, on the draw, on the conditions and also and maybe mostly on their determination

paulcz wrote:t

It is hard to say how the conditions influenced the match, only I could see that Nole was under his par, playing much more carefully and defensively than he usually plays.

I thought the weather made the crucial difference. Remember how badly Nole played against a Ferrer the Murray-lite (on Saturday). So when he stepped on Ashe and it was windy again (not as bad, but Murray is better than Ferrer, too) he was nervous and struggled. He did not expect to lose the match which is why he fought back and nearly did it.
He would have won if his legs were fresh with a day of rest which Murray was able to enjoy. but that's slams. It's often like that: complicated.
It was often said that in order for Murray to win a slam a lot of things would have to click, well they certainly did this time.

noleisthebest wrote:

paulcz wrote:t

It is hard to say how the conditions influenced the match, only I could see that Nole was under his par, playing much more carefully and defensively than he usually plays.

I thought the weather made the crucial difference. Remember how badly Nole played against a Ferrer the Murray-lite (on Saturday). So when he stepped on Ashe and it was windy again (not as bad, but Murray is better than Ferrer, too) he was nervous and struggled. He did not expect to lose the match which is why he fought back and nearly did it.
He would have won if his legs were fresh with a day of rest which Murray was able to enjoy. but that's slams. It's often like that: complicated.
It was often said that in order for Murray to win a slam a lot of things would have to click, well they certainly did this time.

For sure, many things clicked for Andy, but he was ready for this and good for him. Once I wrote that to use "if" is a kind of pathetic, but I think that Berd played with Andy on "standard" wind condition would take it. Of course that one extra day off favoured Andy as well and Ivan´s stiff face made him a bit more focused on the game too

paulcz wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

paulcz wrote:t

It is hard to say how the conditions influenced the match, only I could see that Nole was under his par, playing much more carefully and defensively than he usually plays.

I thought the weather made the crucial difference. Remember how badly Nole played against a Ferrer the Murray-lite (on Saturday). So when he stepped on Ashe and it was windy again (not as bad, but Murray is better than Ferrer, too) he was nervous and struggled. He did not expect to lose the match which is why he fought back and nearly did it.
He would have won if his legs were fresh with a day of rest which Murray was able to enjoy. but that's slams. It's often like that: complicated.
It was often said that in order for Murray to win a slam a lot of things would have to click, well they certainly did this time.

For sure, many things clicked for Andy, but he was ready for this and good for him. Once I wrote that to use "if" is a kind of pathetic, but I think that Berd played with Andy on "standard" wind condition would take it. Of course that one extra day off favoured Andy as well and Ivan´s stiff face made him a bit more focused on the game too

And all those Apaches....and buffalos...fast horses...it was crazy!

The USO is quite mess and fuss. They should really do more for having a roof for their Ash "shack" Only advantage of USO is that you can look at tennis all night, no way to do it with AO.

paulcz wrote:

Once I wrote that to use "if" is a kind of pathetic, but I think that Berd played with Andy on "standard" wind condition would take it.

Actually, I can't remember if I wrote it or not, but this bit I agree with the most. I am not only saying that as Berd beat Fed and thought he deserved to win the whole thing from that point on but I truly felt Berd was playing the best tennis at this USO and could have won it was it not for the crazy windy conditions...

paulcz wrote:The USO is quite mess and fuss. They should really do more for having a roof for their Ash "shack" Only advantage of USO is that you can look at tennis all night, no way to do it with AO.

Fantastic!

Tenez wrote:I think it's those "wrong tactics" that got him the slam actually. He forced Djoko to go for too much in those first 2 sets and that was it.

I only saw the last set so I suppose you could be correct even though that would be inconsistent with what I have seen from him most of this summer or in the fifth set. In that fifth set, tactics were more aggressive than what he has been frequently doing in the past.

Of course, he will never be an overly aggressive player - you have to have two willing participants to end up with 50+ shot rallies. However, in that fifth set at least, he was willing to go on the attack if circumstances were favorable. In the past, he would often stick to defensive junkballing even when the situation was screaming for more aggression.

SB, I didn't watch the match at all as I got disinterested after Fed's loss first then totally disinterested after Berdych's as I was not expecting any tennis to my taste in the second SF and F, I still read a lot of the comments on the match. And IMHO, what Tenez meant, please Tenez correct me if I'm wrong, is that Murray was mostly playing on beating Nole physically as yes he got the first set, the second set too as Nole was making many more errors with the bad weather. When the weather got better in sets 3 and 4, Nole was by far the more aggressive player and won them pretty comfortably but was tiring himself out. Then Murray only started being more aggressive when Nole was too tired to go for his shots as aggressively. So yes he might have looked aggressive in the 5th set but it is the same way as Nadal might have looked aggressive in the 5th set of AO 2009 after tiring Fed for the first 4 sets...

Yes, it's exactly what happened Sphair.

In fact it's exactly what happened for Djoko in the semi too. Under windy conds he completely lost his timing and when he came back on Sunday it was a one way traffic. Unfortunately for him, he had no day rest between the semi and teh final.
I think playing 3 sets the day before was really a factor, along with the wind. In any case it wasn;t great tennis and you did not miss much Sphair.

Djoko was unlucky in slams this year as I said. Losing the FO and USO due to weather conds.

Those kind of matches can be watched again on youtube.....but I wonder who will bother.

sphairistike wrote:SB, I didn't watch the match at all as I got disinterested after Fed's loss first then totally disinterested after Berdych's as I was not expecting any tennis to my taste in the second SF and F, I still read a lot of the comments on the match. And IMHO, what Tenez meant, please Tenez correct me if I'm wrong, is that Murray was mostly playing on beating Nole physically as yes he got the first set, the second set too as Nole was making many more errors with the bad weather. When the weather got better in sets 3 and 4, Nole was by far the more aggressive player and won them pretty comfortably but was tiring himself out. Then Murray only started being more aggressive when Nole was too tired to go for his shots as aggressively. So yes he might have looked aggressive in the 5th set but it is the same way as Nadal might have looked aggressive in the 5th set of AO 2009 after tiring Fed for the first 4 sets...

A pretty comprehensive review of the match.I thought the semi final caught up with Djokovics legs in the 5th set and that having an extra day is what really gave Murray the edge.Im not convinced that Murray would have been able to maintain that level up for 5 sets if he had finished his semi final the day before

Yes, Vee. Considering there was only 2 points deciding the crucial first set.

However, Now that Murray has a slam, he shoudl have the confidence to win more and we will see how successful he gets at adding more to this maiden slam.