Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:43 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:OK class, what passive verb has JJ just been inflicted tonight?
There is no such thung as a passive verb, only passive form of a verb:

An here is the answer:
JJ has been mugged!

Wrong! It's not 'mugged'.
And btw this verb only exists in the passive form Winking

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:43 am

All 8 qualifiers at London in today's Qfinals of Paris Masters. I think this year has been different than previous years for Paris Masters, all top rankers have made it to the QF unlike the previous years when most either withdrew or had surprise losses.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:57 pm

Just went briefly to get some groceries and Nole already 6:1 up.
Is anyone watching the match
Che cosa con Stan the Man?

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:54 pm

I must say I do like this razzamatazz in Bercy, the lasers, the funky beat, crowd clapping to it with the lights off, the only thing missing is a disco ball hanging off the ceiling!
Great too see a bit of effort put into creating a unique identity for the tournament.
I love it how they are so different!

Almost forgot, come on Rog!

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:00 pm

Fed needs to go back to his returning best here, which he hasn't been for some time now.
Serving is looking good again, which is a start!

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:09 pm

I can'tbelieve what lazy tennis Delotro is playing ON HIS OWN SERVE!!!
Just pushing the ball down the middle, happy to rally, no urgency about him at all....not very good.

.....unlike Federer who is doing some fine embroidery in silk with that sublime BH of his.
Stuff it!
I'm off to fetch myself a glass of rose to toast to it Bubbly

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:15 pm

I was just dozong away with rose taking its effect, and what do I see, Fed being nadulled by Del Potro...

Come on Rog, you can do it!

by luvsports! Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:43 pm

Feds wins 3 games in a row and breaks DP twice to win through in 3 sets!!! WAHOOOOOO Big Grin

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:46 pm

Time for another rose... Bubbly

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:52 pm

It was a real pleasure watching Fed today, especially his footwork.
Pretty much everything is back to his best now, except maybe his FH, which will keep improving with confidence.
Serving excellent, I'd say about 90% of its prime, same as return.
Backhand, oh, that backhand.....it lights up the soul with its beauty. love

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:56 pm

NITB, are you going to support Federer or Djokovic tomorrow?
I know who I'll be supporting.

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:56 pm

LuvSports, try out my quiz; after that I will reveal the answers.

by Tenez Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:03 pm

Yes, Fed played well from what I saw...just the last 5 games.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:16 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:NITB, are you going to support Federer or Djokovic tomorrow?
I know who I'll be supporting.

That is a difficult question JS.

I've let Fed in my heart some time ago now.
I think I'll enjoy the match and the tennis and be happy for either to win.
I'd probably be more sad if Fed lost esp after the year he's had and the win would mean a lot more to him right now.
Seeing him struggle on the court and fight like a lion despite everything was poignant and moving.

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:22 pm

So you'd marginally root for Federer then?

If this is the case, for a first time in a long time I believe everyone posting here is united under one player in a match.

(Unless Tenez backs out of supporting Federer)

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:57 pm

Just to clear a bit of misunderstanding JS, I don't think I'll be cheering against Nole tomorrow.

by truffin1 Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:21 pm

I didn't quite believe him, but maybe Fed was telling the truth when he said the back issue related compromise in his movement and resulting loss of confidence was the main culprit to his recent form. He's not quite there, but if he can continue on this road- he will be able to contend for anything he sets as a goal.

Im sure he would trade this win over Delp for the Basel final and not continue such a deep run in Paris a few days before WTF.I wonder how all out he will play tomorrow or even in the final? On one hand- he can really make a statement and earn some good points... on the other- he's going to be tired going into WTF which he values next to a Major.

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:29 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Just to clear a bit of misunderstanding JS, I don't think I'll be cheering against Nole tomorrow.

I didn't say cheering, I'd say marginally rooting for Winking

by Tenez Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:48 pm

truffin1 wrote:I didn't quite believe him, but maybe Fed was telling the truth when he said the back issue related compromise in his movement and resulting loss of confidence was the main culprit to his recent form. He's not quite there, but if he can continue on this road- he will be able to contend for anything he sets as a goal.

I am keen to understand how he got rid of that back issue. To me it was always clear that this was the only problem to see Fed play well. The ups and downs of 2012 were self explanatory.

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:55 pm

Can Richie do it?

by noleisthebest Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:01 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Can Richie do it?

Well he had his bit of momentum...and then caved in like a house of cards. Bon chance in Londres, Richie!

As for Nadal, that beast.....I can't believe he is in the (S)F!
It's not like Ferrer or Berdych are going to put up a fight, is it, cake draw it was from the start!

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:04 pm

Barry Cowan fuming at Gasquet's tactics on Sky Sports, and he's spot on.
Gasquet is just a worse version of Wawrinka.

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:05 pm

Will be surprised to see Wawrinka-lite even winning a match at the O2 this year.

by Tenez Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:02 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:Barry Cowan fuming at Gasquet's tactics on Sky Sports, and he's spot on.
Gasquet is just a worse version of Wawrinka.

What tactics? To me Gasquet is actually better than Stan. The best of Gasquet is better than the best of Stan.....after that it is all down to the head between those 2 and Stan might be a bit better...but not much.

by N2D2L Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:29 pm

Tenez wrote:What tactics?

Tactics against Nadal, today.

Tenez wrote:
To me Gasquet is actually better than Stan. The best of Gasquet is better than the best of Stan.....after that it is all down to the head between those 2 and Stan might be a bit better...but not much.

I really don't think so, in my eyes it's much easier to dominate and bully Gasquet compared to Wawrinka.

by summerblues Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:27 pm

Nice surprise from Fed, I expected him to lose. Hopefully he can repeat this tomorrow, though I expect Nole will win.

Also, just saw a funny quote from the old man from earlier this week (apologies if it had been posted here already):

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/11/roger-federer-andy-murray/

I know why the year was difficult for me. It’s not because I can’t make a forehand anymore or can’t move. It’s because I had physical injuries, and I still played in spite of the injuries because I’m not going in a corner and wait for four months.

by Tenez Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:40 pm

summerblues wrote:Nice surprise from Fed, I expected him to lose. Hopefully he can repeat this tomorrow, though I expect Nole will win.

Also, just saw a funny quote from the old man from earlier this week (apologies if it had been posted here already):

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/11/roger-federer-andy-murray/

I know why the year was difficult for me. It’s not because I can’t make a forehand anymore or can’t move. It’s because I had physical injuries, and I still played in spite of the injuries because I’m not going in a corner and wait for four months.

And isn;t that what some of us (few admiteddly) have been saying all along?

The other factor why he is not doing as well is that the others keep improving but that is relatively negligeable compared to his fitness issues.

by summerblues Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:44 pm

Tenez wrote:And isn;t that what some of us (few admiteddly) have been saying all along?

Though in your case I would say you tend to say it whenever he plays poorly.

by summerblues Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:45 pm

I also thought the "wait for four months" part was funny - USA Today picked up on that one.

by Tenez Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:51 pm

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:And isn;t that what some of us (few admiteddly) have been saying all along?
Though in your case I would say you tend to say it whenever he plays poorly.

Indeed cause not sure if you noticed but he is a genius who is virtually unbeatable when on form.

While it seems you still seem to be unable to spot the difference when he is on form or moving with crutches.

by summerblues Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:06 am

Tenez wrote:While it seems you still seem to be unable to spot the difference when he is on form or moving with crutches.

Federer has had back problems for most of his career; not surprisingly they are getting worse as he is aging. That is not the same to say that whenever he plays poorly, it is because of his back.

As far as ability to spot the problem, all throughout RG12 and right up to Wimbledon you were saying how Fed had no chance because of his back. For example:

Tenez wrote:I do not believe in Federer's chance at all this year. I expect in fact him to lose before the 1/4 for the time in 10 years or so.

Tenez wrote:Yuo know why. He can't play his game at the moment. You don't lose to a 34yo in straight sets after being a break up. Exactly what happened v Djoko at teh FO he starts just about ok but then can't sustain it. He is just playing for the crowd but with no hope to win....unlike the 26 previous times!

As I had said before, the quality of observation has to be measured by quality of predictions. Easy to reinterpret the history after the fact to suit your theory.

by Tenez Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:15 am

summerblues wrote:That is not the same to say that whenever he plays poorly, it is because of his back.

Well this is how fed explains it now anyway. I am the one who says that the reason he loses more than 2007 is because the opposition gets better....you are saying because he declines. So in effect you are the one finding excuses not me.

by Tenez Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:30 am

summerblues wrote:As far as ability to spot the problem, all throughout RG12 and right up to Wimbledon you were saying how Fed had no chance because of his back. For example:

Tenez wrote:I do not believe in Federer's chance at all this year. I expect in fact him to lose before the 1/4 for the time in 10 years or so.
As I had said before, the quality of observation has to be measured by quality of predictions. Easy to reinterpret the history after the fact to suit your theory.

And wasn't I right again? He almost went out to benetteau in that Wimby 12 and had an MTO v Malisse. It was a miracle he managed to recover on time and play freely in the final rounds. Sorry I cannot predict miracles.

by N2D2L Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:37 am

Tenez wrote:And wasn't I right again?

No, not really.

Also:
-Nadal never beating Djokovic again after 2011.
-A youngster breaking through and reaching top 3 by this year
-You've predicted Nadal to go out of the top 10 since he was like 14 (ok I exaggerate, but you have said it for the past few years consecutively)
etc.

Each time you manage to cover it up superbly, citing some fantastic suspension of natural order which could not have been foreseen by anyone.

by N2D2L Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:44 am

Tenez wrote:
summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:And isn;t that what some of us (few admiteddly) have been saying all along?
Though in your case I would say you tend to say it (JS: SB is talking about the back injury when saying 'it') whenever he plays poorly.
Indeed cause not sure if you noticed but he is a genius who is virtually unbeatable when on form.

This is spurious logic Tenez.

If I ascertain Player A is so great that he can't be beaten when fit, and thus say all his defeats are therefore excused, I can then argue that the player has an 'actual' W/L ratio of 100%... which would then strengthen my initial claim that he is so so great; it's a self perpetuating vicious cycle based on a myth.

Now it is true I've sometimes played this card with Nadal, but when I do it I tend to be playing to the stereotype and doing it humorously (http://mytennislounge.com/comments/index.php?shell=5922) while I think you actually apply this idea seriously.

I mean one big flaw from the start is that someone may be the greatest, but his level will still fluctuate when fit. Another player may be slightly worse than him (not as great), but his level may fluctuate too- and there will be occasions and matches where the level of the 'greatest' player fluctuates down while the worse player plays better than normal... culminating in an upset. So it's not necessary the greater player has to be unfit or injured to lose the match.

by summerblues Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:31 am

Julia Santamaria wrote:If this is the case, for a first time in a long time I believe everyone posting here is united under one player in a match.

paulcz might have something to say about that.

by Tenez Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:52 am

Federer wrote:This tournament at Bercy has had a lot more of the top players going further than. A lot of times there can be unexpected players at this stage. Does it feel different?

Number one, we're all here. Number two, I don't get the sense that many players are extremely tired. I remember 10, 15 years ago we would come here and feel like we’d be saying “God, I just want to go on vacation.” This year I don't feel like this. When I speak to players, everybody is eager to do well and play well. It seems like we are recovering quicker and able to take every tournament extremely seriously. It's become super professional, so it's less up and down with the mood swings, as well. Back in the day it was much more extreme. When everybody is talking about how tired they are it affects you more. It makes you think, “Yeah, that's true, I'm super tired.” It's dark, all those things affect you much more. But it's nice to see, and it's interesting to see the eight guys in the quarter-finals also being the same eight guys at the World Tour Finals in London. Well, I guess today’s outcome is something positive for everybody. For the guys who lost, they have more time to prepare, and for the guys who won, they move on and gain more points and more confidence.

So Federer explains that players don't get tired nowadays cause they simply don;t talk about fatigue anymore. Doh

Cool. I'll tell myself I am fit, rich and good looking maybe that will work on me too.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:11 am

Video interview is even more interesting with the body kanguage behind it.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Media/Video-Landing/*/Tennis/Media/Videos/Uploaded/2013/11/1/Paris-2013-Friday-Interview-Federer.aspx

by Tenez Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:49 am

Well yes ....he is breatless just talking though.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:00 pm

Tenez wrote: So Federer explains that players don't get tired nowadays cause they simply don;t talk about fatigue anymore.

Cool. I'll tell myself I am fit, rich and good looking maybe that will work on me too.

.....or just wear this Winking

ATP Masters 1000: Paris - Page 3 Young,rich-and-sexy-Long-Sleeve-Shirts

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:23 pm

Come on Nole, come on Roger, viva tennis!!! diva

by N2D2L Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:28 pm

NITB, if you had to support someone in a final (and it is a final of any big tournament) between Federer and Djokovic who would you support?
Your last answer was type of sitting-on-the-fence which is fine, but now I ask you to make a call.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:41 pm

JS,
I know it's hard for you to see the world beyond fandom, and supporting Nadal is almost a matter of life and death for you, but it's not for me.
It really never has been.
I like both players a lot.
Just think of Richard Williams when he watches Serena play Venus.

by luvsports! Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:44 pm

anyone know a stream for this? my usual one from JS is offline Sad

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:52 pm

http://sportlemon.me/tennis

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:53 pm

Fed devastatingly good, how he does it, I'll never know....

by summerblues Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:53 pm

Very nervous start from Nole.

by noleisthebest Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:58 pm

summerblues wrote:Very nervous start from Nole.

He's got no chance at the moment with Fed taking all the time from him, but I do expect him to get used to it and respond soon.

by luvsports! Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:00 pm

cheers nitb

by luvsports! Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:01 pm

WOWWWWW

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