US Open 2021

Tenez wrote:Yes looks like it's the end of this forum. 

Murray can play a good match but the problem is the following days. You can't recover as well as when you are 25. I must say that Murray's shot making was the best I have ever seen. Very aggressive FH and BH. Just shows how the game evolved from those purely retrieving days. MUrray, Nadal and Djoko know they simply can't stand back and wait for an error. They won 43 slams doing just that.

Tenez wrote:You are looking too far. Fanship is really the reason for the end of this forum. 

No player has yet to reach Nadal or Fed popularity hence this forum who never had many members was always going to go down first. I have not looked at other tennis forum yet but I doubt they live through the same passion and excitement of 5 years ago. 

I personally can appreciate new talents even if I agree they do not seem as complete players as Federer was. I do not see yet that grace combined with that steel mind.  But who knows I thought alike after past champions and got surprised when Federer arrived. Maybe one will come soon with pure talent and mind.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

Tenez wrote:You are looking too far. Fanship is really the reason for the end of this forum. 

No player has yet to reach Nadal or Fed popularity hence this forum who never had many members was always going to go down first. I have not looked at other tennis forum yet but I doubt they live through the same passion and excitement of 5 years ago. 

I personally can appreciate new talents even if I agree they do not seem as complete players as Federer was. I do not see yet that grace combined with that steel mind.  But who knows I thought alike after past champions and got surprised when Federer arrived. Maybe one will come soon with pure talent and mind.

I'm only looking for a winner. Its exhausting to root for someone who can't even challenge Djoko. Talent and all goes waste if it can't translate into success.

Jahu wrote:Lets all hope that Berrettini beats Djoko badly tonight 

HIS20RY wrote:Djokovic may not be a likeable person, and no one is watching his matches, but there's no doubt that winning the 21st major and CYGS is very significant, statistically speaking.

Tenez wrote:

HIS20RY wrote:Djokovic may not be a likeable person, and no one is watching his matches, but there's no doubt that winning the 21st major and CYGS is very significant, statistically speaking.

I agree...even it helped by the conditions. but lots of willpower more so that he is not particularly talented.

Tenez wrote:Djokovic finally knows what it is to get the support of a crowd.

bogbrush wrote:I think Djokovic would always have been a top player but in an era where the Slams had radically different surfaces, speeds and bounces and the balls didn’t hold up all the time he’d be successful but nowhere near 20 Slams.

His tragic volleying, on show again today, would have seen him claim barely a semi appearance at Wimbledon.

Daniel2 wrote:Finally...  the end of this fucking prick.  That will hurt him.  A lot.  Expect a different Djok on tour from now on.  He knows he'll never achieve the grand slam now and he was hoping that he'd have a legacy from it.  The reality is this git has been mopping up slams because Fed and Nadal are gone - and this sorry generation is the worst in the Open Era.  It's taken over 10 years but someone from this garbage era has managed to finally step up and be counted.  

The hysteria from his fans and the ridiculous assertion by too many that he's GOAT has pissed me off this year like no other.  He's a very good player lucking out with the competition and that's how it's been for a long time. Must be humbling for his fans to see him toasted in straight sets as well.  Keep telling me that Djok is comparable to 2006/7 Fed.  Not a chance.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:https://www.wionews.com/sports/for-me-you-are-the-greatest-tennis-player-in-history-daniil-medvedev-to-novak-djokovic-412718

For me, you are the greatest tennis player in history

Tenez wrote:One has to say that Medv is pushing the bar further with pacy deep shots and consistency. Probably the most efficient tennis I have seen since Federer's.

Tenez wrote:Nadal is not the best player ever....not even on clay even if he has the best record.

Tenez wrote:Tennis moves on. Anyone can look at the game 5 or 10 years ago and see how he has moved on. Only idiots think the game was better in 2011 or 2013!

Tenez wrote:It's not my kind of tennis but it is amazingly efficient. Being able to get to all ball and hit them with more purpose than anybody else...is clearly going to make him a very tough players.

Tenez wrote:The only thing is that the next gen has many other great talent so he might not have it easy himself.

But that difference does not exist between Fedal matches in 2009 and 2019. In fact their 2009 matches were higher speed (both in terms of shots and movement).

Daniel2 wrote:Nadal is clearly light years ahead on modern clay.  We have no idea how he would have been against Borg with wooden racquets but modern clay conditions it's not close.  He even bossed Federer at his absolute peak on this service (ok part of that was left hand spinner to Fed's backhand - but he's not had ANY rival in his peak or near peak - it's only now he's old that Djok started to beat him).  It's ridiculous to assert otherwise.

It doesn't surprise me that you're once again elevating Medvedev to being suddenly better than Djok... you have this insane need for it to be true that athletes and humans just evolve into better and better and better versions, which is absurd, Tenez.  You only need to go watch videos of Fed and Nadal at their absolute peak to see the difference.  You think that serve and forehand of 30+ Fed is anything close to what it was 2006-7 ?  I watched 5 videos before coming here and it was INSANE how good it was.  No one could run it down because it was hit too damn hard and unlike now it was massively consistent/.  And so was his backhand.

Daniel2 wrote:Federer may have said he was a flying pixie.  He's still wrong.  Federer 2006 is factually light years ahead as video evidence and results prove, whether you like or not.  And the same goes for Nadal.

summerblues wrote:USO '21 is just about to start.

Tenez wrote:

But that difference does not exist between Fedal matches in 2009 and 2019. In fact their 2009 matches were higher speed (both in terms of shots and movement).

Frankly. Aboslute non-sense.

We have all seen Federer improve his serve, BH and have added secure power on his FH from 2014 .He said it himself.

For Federer to adopt the larger frames was crucial in being able to handle Nadal...in spite of Federer being physically more fragile than in 2009. That in itself completely kills your point cause you have a player who is 5 years older than Nadal finally understanding what was needed in order to beat Nadal.. It took Federer 10 years roughly to understand that he had to drop that old racquet and from then on improved his shots and finally could dictate the game v Nadal while before Nadal simply had to hammer than BH which was very often coming back as a slice. Nadal himself realised he had to change his game tp catch up Djokovic after 2011.

When a player dominates like Djoko, Fed and Nadal, they all find solution, including the rest of the field to catch up with them.

Clearly now Med has put the bar highest on HC. It is bloody obvious. Djoko could not do anything about it like Nadal could not do it in 2011 v Djoko. But you can be sure that the field will catch up once again...unless you thnik Lacoste was the best ever!