ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

noleisthebest wrote:I think his shot pace is ok, don't rememeber it being different.

noleisthebest wrote:I don't know if I should bother to watch Nadal-Monfils.

bogbrush wrote:I just don't see where Djokovic is going. Have Nadal or Federer ever needed this sort os period after returning? The only time Federer took a break he came back and won a Slam straight off the bat beating 4 top 10-ers!

naxroy wrote:good start for nadal.

Love clay

Tenez wrote:Shapo is also a basher.

Tenez wrote:ohoh we saw a flagrant cheat from referee Lhayani over calling a mark out in in Nadal's favour!

This is a joke. HE showed it at 5ml out and Monfils saw it clearly out but does he care?

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

Tenez wrote:ohoh we saw a flagrant cheat from referee Lhayani over calling a mark out in in Nadal's favour!

This is a joke. HE showed it at 5ml out and Monfils saw it clearly out but does he care?

That is not HE which is shown on TV. That replays are not official, that is just the official ball tracker shown by the TV broadcaster.

Clay has been very stubborn to use HE and eliminate such controversies. 

Human error, can't be eliminated unless we have only robots judging the line calls etc.Do you want to see that?

Everyone gets the benefits of such lines calls. See here: https://youtu.be/1BBtiVdnAFg?t=169

In the long run it evens out.

summerblues wrote:

Tenez wrote:Shapo is also a basher.

You think so?  I have not seen him since the AO, but I never had the impression he was.  He can hit spectacular winners but when I was watching him last summer I thought he was trying to be quite thoughtful about when to go for big shots.  I did not feel like he was just pulling trigger brainlessly.

Maybe he is bashing more on clay?  I could understand that - his game is not as well suited to clay as to HC, so maybe he feels more pressure to try to go for big shots early - before opponents grind him down?

I don't know, hopefully I will get to see some of his game later this week - even if only replay and not live.

Tenez wrote:Lhayani asking Monfils to slow down between points cause Nadal is not ready.

naxroy wrote:

Tenez wrote:Lhayani asking Monfils to slow down between points cause Nadal is not ready.

why hasnt monfils complained after the match about such unfair situation?

Tenez wrote:

naxroy wrote:

Tenez wrote:Lhayani asking Monfils to slow down between points cause Nadal is not ready.

why hasnt monfils complained after the match about such unfair situation?

It's  market laws. He complained enough in front of TV and 1000s spectators.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Time taken between serves also depends on how long is the receiver taking to be ready to receive. Nadal with his silly superstitious routines has been keeping the server waiting.

summerblues wrote:Wow!  Just wow what Nole is doing.  He is 6-6 for the year so far.  If he loses his first match in Rome - certainly plausible in his current form - he would probably drop just outside top 32.  Depending on how many players skip RG, he could conceivably be unseeded there.  Still a long shot, but not unthinkable anymore.

And if he continues in his current form, he will almost certainly be unseeded at Wimbledon, and will need wild cards just to enter Canada and Cincy.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:HE doesn't always show the correct result. The ball shadow is bigger than actually the surface of the ball that might hit the court surface. So even if the ball mark is out, the HE can show it as in. ( we saw how that 1mm in mattered in the W 08 final ).

An 'out' can be called 'in' by HE, but an 'in' can't be shown 'out'. So in the mentioned case if HE says its out, then it must be.

naxroy wrote:close match that nadal could have lost, but won 6-3 6-1 thanks to umpire decisions

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Everyone has suffered bad calls. Its has favored everyone at some times. They even out in the long run.


I don't think Lahyani purposely called the ball 'in'. I've seen worse overrules. I'm not sharing the opinion that this is all done to favour Nadal winning ( who is most likely going to win either way ).

Tenez wrote:

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Everyone has suffered bad calls. Its has favored everyone at some times. They even out in the long run.


I don't think Lahyani purposely called the ball 'in'. I've seen worse overrules. I'm not sharing the opinion that this is all done to favour Nadal winning ( who is most likely going to win either way ).

Of course he did. Everyone suffers bad call....except Nadal! And if he did hed know it's not against him...but a pure mistake. Against Nadal bad calls as calculated as time violation his opponent suffer. Yesterday it was even more ridiculous....time violation (almost) for Monfils for playing too fast....for Nadal that is!

naxroy wrote:tenez, enjoy tennis

if you dislike him so much, dont watch nadal


you would miss great clay tennis though

noleisthebest wrote:

naxroy wrote:tenez, enjoy tennis

if you dislike him so much, dont watch nadal


you would miss great clay tennis though

The only reason why tennis fans watch Nadal is to see him lose as he symbolises all that is anti-tennis - he is a cheat who breaks rules, has odious backside picking/sniffing habit, is a doper, stands 6m behind the baseline to receive serves, is not a shotmaker, has ugly sweaty grunty style.

He has robbed tennis fans of nice tennis on clay for the last 12-13 years.

The sooner he retires, the better.

naxroy wrote:tenez, enjoy tennis

if you dislike him so much, dont watch nadal


you would miss great clay tennis though

Tenez wrote:

naxroy wrote:tenez, enjoy tennis

if you dislike him so much, dont watch nadal


you would miss great clay tennis though

You dont get the point. I woudl not dislike Nadal if it wasn't for his dodgy muscles, stamina and on court behaviour. But don;t worry I enjoy when he loses.