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by luvsports! Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:10 pm
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by noleisthebest Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:16 pm
Cool stuff bro! Ta!
Not that I am surprised...au contraire!
The conspirationist in me says: I told you so!
Nole-Murray Wimby final was fixed. 100%.
But you won't read about it on BBC
Let the hottest thread of the year commence!!!
Not that I am surprised...au contraire!
The conspirationist in me says: I told you so!
Nole-Murray Wimby final was fixed. 100%.
But you won't read about it on BBC
Let the hottest thread of the year commence!!!
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by luvsports! Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:37 pm
I've got my suspicions.
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by luvsports! Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:38 pm
noleisthebest wrote:Cool stuff bro! Ta!
Not that I am surprised...au contraire!
The conspirationist in me says: I told you so!
Nole-Murray Wimby final was fixed. 100%.
But you won't read about it on BBC
Let the hottest thread of the year commence!!!
As in Djoko and Delpo told to knock chunks out of each other?
So Djoko threw the match vs Murray?
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by noleisthebest Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:40 pm
Oh, yes!luvsports! wrote:
As in Djoko and Delpo told to knock chunks out of each other?
So Djoko threw the match vs Murray?
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by luvsports! Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:45 pm
So he's a corrupt bastard?
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by Tenez Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:46 pm
I do not believe Slams finals (semis and 1/4) can be fixed. The money is too big not only the short but also long term gains.
This article is way too vague to be taken seriously.
This article is way too vague to be taken seriously.
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by luvsports! Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:51 pm
My money is on Safin. Maybe Cilic? Delpo? Djoko had suspect losses pre '11. Rafa hasn't done well in wimby since '11....
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by luvsports! Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:13 pm
The findings of the investigation by both news organisations released included:
The evidence uncovered by the investigation included a bundle of leaked internal documents — the so-called 'Fixing Files' — and analysis of betting on 26,000 tennis matches.
- A US Open champion and doubles winners at Wimbledon were among a core group of 16 players who had repeatedly been reported for losing games when highly suspicious bets have been placed against them;
- One top-50 ranked player competing in the Australian Open is suspected of repeatedly fixing his first set;
- Players were being targeted in hotel rooms at major tournaments and offered $US50,000 ($73,100) or more per fix by corrupt gamblers;
- Gambling syndicates in Russia and Italy have made hundreds of thousands of pounds sterling placing highly suspicious bets on scores of matches — including at Wimbledon and the French Open;
- The names of more than 70 players appear on nine leaked lists of suspected fixers who have been flagged to world tennis authorities over the past decade without being sanctioned.
The evidence uncovered by the investigation included a bundle of leaked internal documents — the so-called 'Fixing Files' — and analysis of betting on 26,000 tennis matches.
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by noleisthebest Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:54 pm
Let me put it this way: he was made an offer he could not refuse.luvsports! wrote:So he's a corrupt bastard?
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by noleisthebest Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:58 pm
Russian betting mafia has a very strong grip on their players. All east europeans are suspect.luvsports! wrote:My money is on Safin. Maybe Cilic? Delpo? Djoko had suspect losses pre '11. Rafa hasn't done well in wimby since '11....
And they shouldn't be judged but pitied.
Where there is a lot of money to be made, all kind if evil prospers unfortunately.
It's all one big dirty circus. Funny it's caled: The White Sport...
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by truffin1 Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:01 am
This was so common in boxing even at the very top.
Clearly in this case $70,000 or so isn't going to interest any of the big guys or someone in the last stages of a major. Fed,djoko,nadal, murray use that kind of money to blow their nose, but it's awe fully attractive to a top 10,,20 guy who can double his tourney earnings almost.
This just reinforces how naive people like amri are that don't believe doping, etc is widespread in tennis. Somehow out of all the major sports (which all have widespread proven doping/cheating problems) they think tennis players al the only ones that are pure and don't do these things. Smh. If true, which is seems to be on some level- it just shows these guys are typical - willing to break rules for gain.
The hgh scandal involving Peyton manning and other pros in the USA is also an example. Especially when the lab doc who exposed it talks about how far their doping meds are ahead of testing.
Clearly in this case $70,000 or so isn't going to interest any of the big guys or someone in the last stages of a major. Fed,djoko,nadal, murray use that kind of money to blow their nose, but it's awe fully attractive to a top 10,,20 guy who can double his tourney earnings almost.
This just reinforces how naive people like amri are that don't believe doping, etc is widespread in tennis. Somehow out of all the major sports (which all have widespread proven doping/cheating problems) they think tennis players al the only ones that are pure and don't do these things. Smh. If true, which is seems to be on some level- it just shows these guys are typical - willing to break rules for gain.
The hgh scandal involving Peyton manning and other pros in the USA is also an example. Especially when the lab doc who exposed it talks about how far their doping meds are ahead of testing.
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by N2D2L Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:03 am
I'm not surprised at this at all actually. I've had my suspicions, it's unlikely to be the players who get huge sponsorships but certainly with the financial state of the lower players it's not inconceivable they could make money another way.
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:11 am
Yet all these years, tennis has kept its "whiter than white" image.truffin1 wrote:This was so common in boxing even at the very top.
Clearly in this case $70,000 or so isn't going to interest any of the big guys or someone in the last stages of a major. Fed,djoko,nadal, murray use that kind of money to blow their nose, but it's awe fully attractive to a top 10,,20 guy who can double his tourney earnings almost.
This just reinforces how naive people like amri are that don't believe doping, etc is widespread in tennis. Somehow out of all the major sports (which all have widespread proven doping/cheating problems) they think tennis players al the only ones that are pure and don't do these things. Smh. If true, which is seems to be on some level- it just shows these guys are typical - willing to break rules for gain.
The hgh scandal involving Peyton manning and other pros in the USA is also an example. Especially when the lab doc who exposed it talks about how far their doping meds are ahead of testing.
With the occasional lower ranked scapegoat a la Troicki&Cikic..again, east europeans- easy targets.
No wonder they were livid about the hypocrisy.
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:14 am
I was watching match fixing for betting closely last year...some cases were so obvious!
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by luvsports! Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:45 am
Doubles/singles players too who have won slams..... a certain Italian comes to mind.
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:59 am
Yes, Italians seem to have a reputaion there. Even their football has always been corrupted and full of match-fixing scandals.
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by luvsports! Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:12 am
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:40 pm
Yes, I know that one. He talked about it before.
What I find intriguing is the particular timing of this latest "scandal".
What is the motivation and who is going to be the latest scapegoat.
We know their intentions are not genuine and are cosmetic only.
Probably and possibly this time another political dig at Russians...how cheap...
If they really wanted to root the problem out, they'd increase prize money for challengers and futures as well as earlier torurnament rounds.
So many things happen behind the scenes.
What I find intriguing is the particular timing of this latest "scandal".
What is the motivation and who is going to be the latest scapegoat.
We know their intentions are not genuine and are cosmetic only.
Probably and possibly this time another political dig at Russians...how cheap...
If they really wanted to root the problem out, they'd increase prize money for challengers and futures as well as earlier torurnament rounds.
So many things happen behind the scenes.
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by Tenez Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:48 pm
noleisthebest wrote:....
Probably and possibly this time another political dig at Russians...how cheap...
If they really wanted to root the problem out, they'd increase prize money for challengers and futures as well as earlier torurnament rounds.
Not sure that would work and if we are not intereted in watching Challengers and futures, there is no way they can increase their wage. It's the betting companies that should be prevented from betting on those. They are those creating the real problem. Without them, there would be no fixing corruption. So they should stop complaining.
I personally don't mind match fixing. People who bet should take that risk that it could be fixed. What a healthy bidder can risk? £5, £10? so not the end of teh world. Those betting more should seek mental health advice.
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by Tenez Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:03 pm
..and just read that and completely agree once again. Money doesn't solve anything it makes it worse actually.
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Q. When you're not top 100 or 150, it's tough to stay alive on the circuit without finding other ways. That's probably the reason why, even if we wouldn't accept, it happens. Don't you think the problem should be to find some more money for those people who are not top 100? Challengers, minor tournaments, it's there where they try to fix.
ROGER FEDERER: I completely disagree with you. I think you don't understand. It doesn't matter how much money you pump into the system, there's always going to be people approaching players, or people, any sport. It's all a question of money, you know.
It doesn't maybe happen at the challengers. It's going to happen at the futures. It's going to go away if you offer $1 million for every player to play at every tournament? It's not going to change a thing.
Still might be approached. That's why I think you're wrong there, that more money there is going to solve the issue completely.
I agree we should have more money at futures, challengers, all these levels. But it's not going to solve the issue. The issue is elsewhere, in the player's mind.
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Q. When you're not top 100 or 150, it's tough to stay alive on the circuit without finding other ways. That's probably the reason why, even if we wouldn't accept, it happens. Don't you think the problem should be to find some more money for those people who are not top 100? Challengers, minor tournaments, it's there where they try to fix.
ROGER FEDERER: I completely disagree with you. I think you don't understand. It doesn't matter how much money you pump into the system, there's always going to be people approaching players, or people, any sport. It's all a question of money, you know.
It doesn't maybe happen at the challengers. It's going to happen at the futures. It's going to go away if you offer $1 million for every player to play at every tournament? It's not going to change a thing.
Still might be approached. That's why I think you're wrong there, that more money there is going to solve the issue completely.
I agree we should have more money at futures, challengers, all these levels. But it's not going to solve the issue. The issue is elsewhere, in the player's mind.
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:14 pm
Yes, you're right aboUt prize money - increase would not get rid of betting mafia...but an increase would give players a bit of dignity and at least cover some of their expenses since tennis is such a high risk/investment sport, after all, players do generate all that cash...
Don't agree with match fixing though, esp on high level.
But then again, we've had fixed draws, covered positive tests....why should this be any more surprisng and upsetting...
Problem is, in less stable countries some players have no choice.
I remember one Russian WTA player was burgled and threatened a fee years ago, and was never able to return properly.
It's all nice of Fed to say nobody approached him, but he should be more understanding of those who often have little or no choice.
Life is cheap in some places.
Don't agree with match fixing though, esp on high level.
But then again, we've had fixed draws, covered positive tests....why should this be any more surprisng and upsetting...
Problem is, in less stable countries some players have no choice.
I remember one Russian WTA player was burgled and threatened a fee years ago, and was never able to return properly.
It's all nice of Fed to say nobody approached him, but he should be more understanding of those who often have little or no choice.
Life is cheap in some places.
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by Tenez Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:13 pm
I don;t Fed is critical of those being approached. It's those who gets tempted he is annoyed about but as he says, it's only speculation and we shoudl be careful at speculating.
They accused Davydenko and then had to withdraw the claim.
If some want to fix the result, even at the very top, I don;t care. If Fed were to give away his finals for more cash, he would simply do not deserve that slam, he woudl deserve more cash as simple as that.
But we know top players don't care about money after a certain level. They know money simply comes with success, so no point cheating.
I remember Laver saying to Lendl that he wish he had earned as much money. Lendl replied he'd be happy to buy some of his Wimbledon cups.
They accused Davydenko and then had to withdraw the claim.
If some want to fix the result, even at the very top, I don;t care. If Fed were to give away his finals for more cash, he would simply do not deserve that slam, he woudl deserve more cash as simple as that.
But we know top players don't care about money after a certain level. They know money simply comes with success, so no point cheating.
I remember Laver saying to Lendl that he wish he had earned as much money. Lendl replied he'd be happy to buy some of his Wimbledon cups.
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:16 pm
Tenez wrote:I don;t Fed is critical of those being approached. It's those who gets tempted he is annoyed about but as he says, it's only speculation and we shoudl be careful at speculating.
They accused Davydenko and then had to withdraw the claim.
If some want to fix the result, even at the very top, I don;t care. If Fed were to give away his finals for more cash, he would simply do not deserve that slam, he woudl deserve more cash as simple as that.
But we know top players don't care about money after a certain level. They know money simply comes with success, so no point cheating.
I remember Laver saying to Lendl that he wish he had earned as much money. Lendl replied he'd be happy to buy some of his Wimbledon cups.
It's not always the money, and not always the betting mafia that threaten.
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by Tenez Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:22 pm
why would Djoko would want/accept to lose to Murray?
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:25 pm
Various reasons: political blackmail (I thnk that same year MI6 were protecting him in Wimbledon from Albanian mafia threatening his family), potential silent ban, various concessions to Serbia etc...Tenez wrote:why would Djoko would want/accept to lose to Murray?
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by luvsports! Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:40 pm
Some names on this swedish link. http://www.svd.se/lindahl-hoppas-pa-killtraning/om/sport
some names linked on swedish article
Philipp Kohlschreiber
Potito Starace
Andreas Seppi
Fabio Fognini
Janko Tipsarevic
Michael Llodra
Nikolaj Davydenko
Teymuraz Gabashvili
Victor Crivoi
Christophe Rochus
Oscar Hernandez
Jevgenij Korolev
Filippo Volandri
Wayne Odesnik
Victoria Azarenka
Agnieszka Radwanska
Francesca Schiavone
Sara Errani
Maria Kirilenko
Kateryna Bondarenko
and
21 on the warning list: Brian Dabul, Eduardo Scwhank, Jeremy Chardy, Simone Bolelli, Lukasz Kubot, Carlos Berlocq, Igor Kunitsyn, Andrey Golubev, Alex Bogomolov, Somdev Devvar-husband, Steve Darcis, Marin Cilic, Flavio Cipolla, Ivo Karlovic, Viktor Troicki, Flavia Pennetta, Roberta Vinci, Virginie Razzano, Romina Oprandi, Dominika Cibulkova, Eleni Daniilidou. Involved in this year's Stockholm Open.
some names linked on swedish article
Philipp Kohlschreiber
Potito Starace
Andreas Seppi
Fabio Fognini
Janko Tipsarevic
Michael Llodra
Nikolaj Davydenko
Teymuraz Gabashvili
Victor Crivoi
Christophe Rochus
Oscar Hernandez
Jevgenij Korolev
Filippo Volandri
Wayne Odesnik
Victoria Azarenka
Agnieszka Radwanska
Francesca Schiavone
Sara Errani
Maria Kirilenko
Kateryna Bondarenko
and
21 on the warning list: Brian Dabul, Eduardo Scwhank, Jeremy Chardy, Simone Bolelli, Lukasz Kubot, Carlos Berlocq, Igor Kunitsyn, Andrey Golubev, Alex Bogomolov, Somdev Devvar-husband, Steve Darcis, Marin Cilic, Flavio Cipolla, Ivo Karlovic, Viktor Troicki, Flavia Pennetta, Roberta Vinci, Virginie Razzano, Romina Oprandi, Dominika Cibulkova, Eleni Daniilidou. Involved in this year's Stockholm Open.
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:18 pm
Yes, big list....but should we really be surprised?
Again, same as with doping, it's hard to accept sport is as corrupt as any other job.
People get bribed. Pretend they don't see or hear...what's a lost match, YOUR match...for us to get upset if tanked/sold.
It's awful...I know...
Again, same as with doping, it's hard to accept sport is as corrupt as any other job.
People get bribed. Pretend they don't see or hear...what's a lost match, YOUR match...for us to get upset if tanked/sold.
It's awful...I know...
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by Tenez Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:34 pm
This is possible but I don't believe it. It would be very easy for Djoko to expose it....a risk the UK authority would not take....it's only a tennis match after all.noleisthebest wrote:Various reasons: political blackmail (I thnk that same year MI6 were protecting him in Wimbledon from Albanian mafia threatening his family), potential silent ban, various concessions to Serbia etc...Tenez wrote:why would Djoko would want/accept to lose to Murray?
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by Tenez Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:37 pm
Odeskik....the usual suspect!luvsports! wrote:Some names on this swedish link. http://www.svd.se/lindahl-hoppas-pa-killtraning/om/sport
some names linked on swedish article
Philipp Kohlschreiber
Potito Starace
Andreas Seppi
Fabio Fognini
Janko Tipsarevic
Michael Llodra
Nikolaj Davydenko
Teymuraz Gabashvili
Victor Crivoi
Christophe Rochus
Oscar Hernandez
Jevgenij Korolev
Filippo Volandri
Wayne Odesnik
Victoria Azarenka
Agnieszka Radwanska
Francesca Schiavone
Sara Errani
Maria Kirilenko
Kateryna Bondarenko
and
21 on the warning list: Brian Dabul, Eduardo Scwhank, Jeremy Chardy, Simone Bolelli, Lukasz Kubot, Carlos Berlocq, Igor Kunitsyn, Andrey Golubev, Alex Bogomolov, Somdev Devvar-husband, Steve Darcis, Marin Cilic, Flavio Cipolla, Ivo Karlovic, Viktor Troicki, Flavia Pennetta, Roberta Vinci, Virginie Razzano, Romina Oprandi, Dominika Cibulkova, Eleni Daniilidou. Involved in this year's Stockholm Open.
Anyway.....Looking at those names I am not sure it matters much as they can lose to each other even if they tried to win.
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by luvsports! Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:43 pm
Bigger names there though.
Azarenka, Radwanska, Errani, Cilic
Azarenka, Radwanska, Errani, Cilic
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by noleisthebest Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:06 pm
Yeah, like it was easy for Fuentes to expose the names of those 200 tested positive athletes.Tenez wrote:This is possible but I don't believe it. It would be very easy for Djoko to expose it....a risk the UK authority would not take....it's only a tennis match after all.noleisthebest wrote:Various reasons: political blackmail (I thnk that same year MI6 were protecting him in Wimbledon from Albanian mafia threatening his family), potential silent ban, various concessions to Serbia etc...Tenez wrote:why would Djoko would want/accept to lose to Murray?
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by luvsports! Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:27 pm
The appeal for that is coming up v soon.
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