Wimbledon 2012 Draw

CommonSense wrote:

Tenez wrote:

Veejay wrote:Did Roger call for a trainer and ask for pain killers?

Yes he did...confirming what some of us had been saying for weeks.

Would that be considered a MTO? I'm confused bc I didn't see the treatment. But it seems that Malisse was clearly charging ahead in winning form before the "episode" and they changed forms after it: Roger leaping ahead and Mal dragging behind. What would you say if Fed is now accused of using tactical MTO to disrupt mal's momentum? I suspect his detractors would not be very happy hearing him say that his back pain "felt better as the game went on". :scratch:

Malisse also needed a MTO plus there was a rain delay too,Fed cant be accused of a tactical MTO cause he asked for pain killers and there was none of that Nadal type shenanigans
You could see he was struggling cause he took a lot of pace off his serve which is the reason why Malisse was hitting clean winners off his 1st serve

NITB - LOL! Like you I don;t regret it much...just a handful of posters. I find JA cool cause it doesn;t distract me from work as much....but still too much!

I'd like the pace here to take off cause the format is certainly easier to follow.

But how on earth did Malisse manage to lose that match? He coudl not focus at all!



It was even sader to watch him self-destruct knowing he had the match in his hand but simply completely blew it.

This Jonty on JA is so annoying. I wonder why does he bother posting? .

Tenez wrote:This Jonty on JA is so annoying. I wonder why does he bother posting? .

Im just ignoring him for the moment,when the time is right Im going to go for the kill :twisted:

Told you Rogers quarter final streak is safe...33 and counting...

Tenez wrote:This Jonty on JA is so annoying. I wonder why does he bother posting? .

sometimes I think it's all one or two posters changing names, Tenez, going for you , for I don't know what reason. Been like that since bbc 606. I wouldn't worry if I were you.
I have filtered 5-6 people some of which are on a mission to wind me up. I really like that feature now. Jonty is not on that list yet because I can reason with him/her.
He/she reminds me a lot of My Chest Hurts, same stamp.
It's good to have conflicting views and opinions there, so long as there aren't any personal goes, I'm ok. In that case I either filter posters or just delete their rubbish if it's my thread...
JA has grown little roots now and that's really nice, that's how I see it.
It was awful that first week when we were dumped out of v2, and when they all stormed to distabilise and wreck it.
Well, it didn't happen!!! 8)

Tenez wrote:But how on earth did Malisse manage to lose that match? He coudl not focus at all!



It was even sader to watch him self-destruct knowing he had the match in his hand but simply completely blew it.

I only saw a little bit of that match and couldn't believe that was round of 16 at Wimbledon, tennis was really low grade...

Non, je ne regrette rien....my kind of motto when it comes to v2

Veejay, Fed's record's been a clean slate. I just wanted to be sure his haters won't have the slightest excuse to start spreading rumours against him.

Tenez, as Veejay pointed out, it seems that Mal was only able to hit and serve winners CONSISTENTLY when roger was in pain. But after the treatment when roger began to play like a #3, Mal began to back off. He can't help self-destructing. Roger ultimately controlled the match, mentally and skill-wise. Malisse had no say, almost.

Veejay wrote:
Im just ignoring him for the moment,when the time is right Im going to go for the kill :twisted:

:pirat: Cheers....I'll give you a hand! even if he has filtered me.

Told you Rogers quarter final streak is safe...33 and counting...

Yes! I bet rarely but on this one, asap I saw him injured I put £100 on Malisse and just lost a potential £700 return!. So I have mixed feelings about his streak!

I know none of you here care, still, NOLE TIMEEEEEEEE

noleisthebest wrote:

Non, je ne regrette rien....my kind of motto when it comes to v2

nitb, it's their loss, not yours. :flower:

noleisthebest wrote:He/she reminds me a lot of My Chest Hurts, same stamp.

Agreed

It's good to have conflicting views and opinions there, so long as there aren't any personal goes, I'm ok.

Me too but he simply came out of the blue by saying I was accusing Federer of lying about his injury and then (or was it before) completely acting stubbornly when discussing surfaces. The fact that MCH disappeared at the time Jonty appeared coudl be a possibilty.

Jonty is a very safe thinker, the "balanced" kind, so anything out of the box is a no-no.
Egg and chips kind of person.

CommonSense wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Non, je ne regrette rien....my kind of motto when it comes to v2

nitb, it's their loss, not yours. :flower:

Thanks (I know, just letting boys be boys )

CommonSense wrote:Veejay, Fed's record's been a clean slate. I just wanted to be sure his haters won't have the slightest excuse to start spreading rumours against him.

Tenez, as Veejay pointed out, it seems that Mal was only able to hit and serve winners CONSISTENTLY when roger was in pain. But after the treatment when roger began to play like a #3, Mal began to back off. He can't help self-destructing. Roger ultimately controlled the match, mentally and skill-wise. Malisse had no say, almost.

IMO Fed played poorly the whole match....he only improved in that 4th set.

Malisse clearly could not calm down and focus. He shoudl have won in 3. Anyone but Malisse would have wpn in 3 but it's true it;s not easy to focus when the opponents' injured. Malisse had also a niggle but I don;t think it affected him as badly as Fed's back.

noleisthebest wrote:Jonty is a very safe thinker, the "balanced" kind, so anything out of the box is a no-no.
Egg and chips kind of person.

I call this a not-so-bright poster. Look at SB, he is also a very safe thinker but he debates intelligently.

Tenez wrote:

Veejay wrote:
Im just ignoring him for the moment,when the time is right Im going to go for the kill :twisted:

:pirat: Cheers....I'll give you a hand! even if he has filtered me.

Told you Rogers quarter final streak is safe...33 and counting...

Yes! I bet rarely but on this one, asap I saw him injured I put £100 on Malisse and just lost a potential £700 return!. So I have mixed feelings about his streak!

I cant believe you bet against Fed!! :shock:
One thing he has taught me is when you really think he will lose,he won't and when you expect him to win,he may not
Not a bad idea though to bet against Fed in such moments cause that 700 quid could have been a nice comfort/cushion to help get over such a loss

Veejay wrote:
I cant believe you bet against Fed!! :shock:

That will teach me!

One thing he has taught me is when you really think he will lose,he won't and when you expect him to win,he may not
Not a bad idea though to bet against Fed in such moments cause that 700 quid could have been a nice comfort/cushion to help get over such a loss

That's how I see it. I made some good consolating money when he lost to Nalby at the Shanghai's masters. I actually never did bet for him by superstition as I want in to win in 99.9999% of cases.

Tenez wrote:

CommonSense wrote:Veejay, Fed's record's been a clean slate. I just wanted to be sure his haters won't have the slightest excuse to start spreading rumours against him.

Tenez, as Veejay pointed out, it seems that Mal was only able to hit and serve winners CONSISTENTLY when roger was in pain. But after the treatment when roger began to play like a #3, Mal began to back off. He can't help self-destructing. Roger ultimately controlled the match, mentally and skill-wise. Malisse had no say, almost.

IMO Fed played poorly the whole match....he only improved in that 4th set.

Malisse clearly could not calm down and focus. He shoudl have won in 3. Anyone but Malisse would have wpn in 3 but it's true it;s not easy to focus when the opponents' injured. Malisse had also a niggle but I don;t think it affected him as badly as Fed's back.

I dunno. It seems to me a common occurrence that, with few exceptions, 2nd-tiered players and below play the 1st set like their lives depend on it. If they win that first set, they may or may not continue to ride with that initial winning form. BUT if they don't win the first set after giving their best, they almost always seem to just give up and don't try as hard. For this reason I don't see Mal's loss of focus a result of Roger's injury but his own inability to adjust. If roger wasn't injured I doubt if he would even have taken a set.

Given roger's bad back, i think he only played badly the 1st set but the rest of the match he surprised me how well he steadied himself convincingly from a very worrisome start. Although he wasn't consistent, he was able to raise his game when needed, enough to win the match.

Veejay wrote:

Tenez wrote:

Veejay wrote:
Im just ignoring him for the moment,when the time is right Im going to go for the kill :twisted:

:pirat: Cheers....I'll give you a hand! even if he has filtered me.

Told you Rogers quarter final streak is safe...33 and counting...

Yes! I bet rarely but on this one, asap I saw him injured I put £100 on Malisse and just lost a potential £700 return!. So I have mixed feelings about his streak!

I cant believe you bet against Fed!! :shock:
One thing he has taught me is when you really think he will lose,he won't and when you expect him to win,he may not
Not a bad idea though to bet against Fed in such moments cause that 700 quid could have been a nice comfort/cushion to help get over such a loss

By your logic Fed will win the semi bc almost no one (including me) expects him to beat Djoko in his current form. :lol!:

Vintage Nole...aaaaaaaah

noleisthebest wrote:I know none of you here care, still, NOLE TIMEEEEEEEE

What can I say? It's hard to get excited when there' no suspense in a all-too-predictable match. Poor Troiki, will he ever learn to fight back?
Lucky you. Your guy's back in form. Looks like drinks will be on you again come Sunday. :drunken:

Don't mind at all
God willing, there'll be some serious bubbly consumption! Can't wait :bounce:

Ten, that was a really nice thought/article from Paul . I hope it makes up for all the junk you had to put up over the years !

Yes, that 's very nice. I must say reading all the comments of those who complained when we left V2 was pretty nice. Some who I had never heard off posted for the first time to complain as obviously they were reading silently our comments.

I didn't read any of that. But I was quite upset by the nature of those developments and quite shocked when they all mobbed JA 606 in the first day or two and kept blasting away, could not believe the cheek, esp Gav and his zillion IDs.
Admins were really good to block a few of them then...they've all gone quiet now, hopefully for good

Yes we could read a few were very upset. This is why Gav resigned...for a while. I am pretty sure that if JA's format was similar to V2..more woudl have joined JA. It was quite hard to follow at first even if we were familiar with the format from 606.

Format was never going to stop me It was good enough and I felt so liberated from that oppressive v2 atmosphere. It was almost degrading to be bossed about by Gav &co....
I did miss PM feature esp at the beginning with all those outside attacks, but in the end it all turned out well.
I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again! Just can't believe all those people from v2 coming to JA in the first week to have a good kicking....even Laverfan !

noleisthebest wrote:It was almost degrading to be bossed about by Gav &co....

Agreed though I felt Gav was scared to uspet us. He really wanted to tell us off many times but was simply scared of our reactions and other posters reactions. Which is why when he finally thought it was the right moment...he unleashed all his anger and the frustration of having to restrain himself for months if not years.

I did miss PM feature esp at the beginning with all those outside attacks, but in the end it all turned out well.
I know I've said it before, but I'll say it again! Just can't believe all those people from v2 coming to JA in the first week to have a good kicking....even Laverfan !

LF, what a weak character!

Looking back on bbc606 days when there were a lot of people, you couldn't know everyone, people grouped into "pub" threads, and I lived a hermit's existence on my Nole desert island.
I'm so used to it now, I felt weird with Socal around, although he always struck me as a fair-weather kind of fan a bit, not mad enough for a Nole fan (I mean, he didn't mind Nadal for a start )

then it all dispersed to MTL and v2 where yo got to know people better, kind of properly, which is why a lot either left(wooffie &CO) or stayed and moaned. or got kicked out

I think Socal liked Nadal for teh same reason many did. Because he kicked Fed's ass on the big stage.

I like Nole for the same reasons (re Nadal).

What's the big deal about Nadal kicking Fed's....it's a bit perverse, like watching a lion chase and kill a gazelle....

Tenez wrote:I think Socal liked Nadal for teh same reason many did. Because he kicked Fed's ass on the big stage.

I like Nole for the same reasons (re Nadal).

Socal is a closet-case Nadal fan

Veejay wrote:

Tenez wrote:I think Socal liked Nadal for teh same reason many did. Because he kicked Fed's ass on the big stage.

I like Nole for the same reasons (re Nadal).

Socal is a closet-case Nadal fan

You're right :roll: !

Veejay wrote:Socal is a closet-case Nadal fan

Yep! Despite denying it at every occasion.

How was Ferrers performance today...??!!!
He looks like he could really upset Murray if he plays the same way he did today
He's been improving with every match

Veejay wrote:How was Ferrers performance today...??!!!
He looks like he could really upset Murray if he plays the same way he did today
He's been improving with every match

I haven't seen the match, but he must be playing well enough to give himself a decent chance against Murray. I just hope he gets a fair go at achieving it, no foot-faults, barking dogs under his window all night tonight...that kind of things

noleisthebest wrote:

Veejay wrote:How was Ferrers performance today...??!!!
He looks like he could really upset Murray if he plays the same way he did today
He's been improving with every match

I haven't seen the match, but he must be playing well enough to give himself a decent chance against Murray. I just hope he gets a fair go at achieving it, no foot-faults, barking dogs under his window all night tonight...that kind of things

LMAO
Oh the corruption in sport...its not like David is completely innocent either,Im very suspicious of him
He literally blew Del Potro right off the court,quite possibly the best match I have ever seen him play,even he thought he played incredibly well

you mean he's a customer of a certain Spanish doctor?

noleisthebest wrote:you mean he's a customer of a certain Spanish doctor?

Yes a certain Dr Luis Garcia...

I'm all ears

thanks Veejay, will look at it properly after Wimbers. You could do a nice article on the topic here, so much mystery surrounding it

noleisthebest wrote:thanks Veejay, will look at it properly after Wimbers. You could do a nice article on the topic here, so much mystery surrounding it

I'll do a nice nice article after Wimbledon,then Ill riot on every forum available

That would be great

I've been following Simon Barnes' writing
in the Times this Wimbledon with great pleasure, and if I get some time,
will write a bit more, but here's the opening paragraph from today's
article called: BREAKING NEWS: FEDERER IS AS HUMAN AS YOU OR I AND
THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM GREAT

"There's a curious pain in watching an unforced error from Roger Federer.
There's a tendency to wince, close your eyes for a moment as if to shut
out the reality. It offends our sense of what is fitting."

I think this is enough to whet the appetite of any Federer fan

ok, by popular demand, I'll do another paragraph:


"All players make errors but with Federer - and only with Federer- it feels the fault lies not in the player but in reality.

.....

Never mind. We still had a bit of Proper Rodge: the second set was
straight from the High Fed period and the closing four games were filled
with that serene certainty that Federer always did best.

Thanks for that NITB
I don't think we've seen anywhere close to what Roger played like in his prime
It used to be one way traffic
His U.S Open final with Hewitt comes to mind,he hasnt played anywhere close to that level of tennis for some years now

Veejay wrote:Thanks for that NITB
I don't think we've seen anywhere close to what Roger played like in his prime
It used to be one way traffic
His U.S Open final with Hewitt comes to mind,he hasnt played anywhere close to that level of tennis for some years now

I remember those routing years...the only dilemma now left did Federer make his era look weak or was it really weak