Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Vids can be faked

laverfan wrote:

Tenez wrote:What I find comical with your reasoning is that you cannot even see the data are particularly weird in teh first place...such a poor sense of observation.

If it is so comical you should not be responding to my posts. You have a choice.

Hey LF, as v2 moderator, we expect you have a high sense of observation and non-biased approach to such weird things, otherwise we must think what is the reason that leads you to such statements. What a brand of apparel do you buy?

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

paulcz wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

mikeyM1000 wrote:

paulcz wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

Of course with presence of Queen when the oath is made.

paulcz wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:

paulcz wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

Of course with presence of Queen when the oath is made.

I swear on the ghost of Freddie Mercury

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

I trusted the Thursday USO draw since it was broadcast live and no TV stations were involved. USopen.org put it up and streamed it. Can it be delayed and manipulated? Yes. The same thing applies to Apollo landings on Moon.

In that stream,

a. The Murray (#3 token) was shown to all present in the audience.
b. after Murray was drawn against Federer, he pulled out the remaining token from the trophy to show that it was number 4 (for Ferrer).

mikeyM1000 wrote:

paulcz wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:

paulcz wrote:

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

Of course with presence of Queen when the oath is made.

I swear on the ghost of Freddie Mercury

Then I would rather recommend to make evident by a "rose "party by Lennon, Joplin and Hendrix. This generation hardly could lie

paulcz wrote:LF, you show a such a passion to defence objectivity of draws that I started to ask myself what can be behind it.

Glad that you looked.

paulcz wrote:I looked at V2 topic as you referred and only impression that I got is that moderators in V2 are fighters against all whose posts refer on some weirdness in tennis. Btw. that was also partial the reason I do not want to post anything there.

'Weirdness' in Tennis is too big a bucket. V2 has discussed Doping, Draw fixing, Match fixing. Libel and Slander laws are important for managing web sites from a site-owner perspective.

paulcz wrote:If you are so sure that everything is so fair, you must have something that proves that. Did you see the videos how the drawing of 3rd and 4th seeded players have been done or were you there? That would be the proof. I´d rather see the vids

I searched UTube, for videos. Let me see if I can find it elsewhere.

So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

Maybe we should all post our real names and addresses to prove we have guts

mikeyM1000 wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

Maybe we should all post our real names and addresses to prove we have guts

I'm not holding my breath

laverfan wrote:
I searched UTube, for videos. Let me see if I can find it elsewhere.

USO 2012 - https://imgur.com/a/w8r9A#0

1. Putting #1 and #2 on the table.
2. Showing #3 and #4 to the audience.
3. Showing #3 (Murray) to the audience after the draw.
4. Handing #3 (Murray) to Brian Early.
5. Showing #4 (Ferrer) to the audience.

AO 2012 Draw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmBvPD5Gd1I

noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

I've made it so f*cking obvious now it's beyond unreal.
I didn't tell Laverfan who I was- she realised in 10 seconds. Remember this is the Laverfan who was accused of having 'comical observation skills.'

And btw what is your real name? Is it actually noleisthebest? Or do you not have the guts to reveal your true identity.

Reincarnation wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

I've made it so f*cking obvious now it's beyond unreal.
I didn't tell Laverfan who I was- she realised in 10 seconds. Remember this is the Laverfan who was accused of having 'comical observation skills.'

And btw what is your real name? Is it actually noleisthebest? Or do you not have the guts to reveal your true identity.

You're only digging yourself into a deeper pit..... either say who you are on v2 or just admit you are not able to for whatever reason (lack of guts being the most obvious one, naturally)

All that aside, I do understand not everyone is brave in this world, so you can stay Reincarnation if you feel "safer" like that. You don't come across as someone who like tennis very much as I haven's seen a single opinion of yours on any tennis topic.
I don't mind having lighter banter but it has to be that: light, I'm not into politics and multiple IDs. One is quite enough for me.

Your agenda has little overlap with mine here. Just be happy we're happy. You don't need to haunt us on all forums we go to. What a waste of time!

noleisthebest wrote:You don't come across as someone who like tennis very much as I haven's seen a single opinion of yours on any tennis topic.

Yes, I hardly ever talk about tennis, especially on v2. Especially every week, it's bad I don't do a weekly round up of the tennis action and have a archive folder which records it (so people can read back).
If I say who I am it is likely Tenez will probably instantly ban me, so I shall not. I'm not sure Nadal fans are allowed to post on here.

noleisthebest wrote:
Just be happy we're happy. You don't need to haunt us on all forums we go to. What a waste of time!

I'm not 'haunting' anybody. As I said I like your enthusiasm for tennis (although I do not agree with your views), also I think wow3 has improved a lot as a poster- and posts very maturely now.

Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

LF, thanks a lot. Well in a way we all are anonymous but we do know each other. Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis.

You started a 'innocent vs guilty' thread. Not sure that has anything to do with tennis.

laverfan wrote:
NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion.

I am sure they are , I never said anything to the contrary. I like NITB's enthusiasm, WOW is posting very sensibly now too. I'll be honest I dunno much about Paul- but he seems like a nice guy. I also think Tenez is a good poster, but I fully agree with the criticisms Summerblues and Emancipator have made in recent times.

wow3 wrote:Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions.

I'm not sure of that.
SB told me Tenez said his objective was to 'bring the cream' and 'control the rest.' I don't think Tenez sees Nadal fans as tennis fans or people to debate with.

wow3 wrote:
Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

That's not a good thing

wow3 wrote:

laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

LF, thanks a lot. Well in a way we all are anonymous but we do know each other. Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

Nadal´s fans should send each of posters here one bottle of wine to compensate his antics on courts. Or wait, Tenez, don´t you think that one is not enough

Djokovic fans should send everyone a bottle of vodka for every time he bounces the ball before serve.

paulcz wrote:

wow3 wrote:

laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

LF, thanks a lot. Well in a way we all are anonymous but we do know each other. Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

Nadal´s fans should send each of posters here one bottle of wine to compensate his antics on courts. Or wait, Tenez, don´t you think that one is not enough

Full-bodied red for me , please , no, wait! when I remember ALL the agro...make it the other one a bubbly, not too brut, though

NITB how's your vodka stock doing

Reincarnation wrote:NITB how's your vodka stock doing

I am not into strong stuff. Unlike most I only have a drink or two when I'm very happy

noleisthebest wrote:

Reincarnation wrote:NITB how's your vodka stock doing

I am not into strong stuff. Unlike most I only have a drink or two when I'm very happy

Perfect. It's sorted then.

Everytime Djokovic bounces the ball more than 10 times before serving NITB buys us vodka

I´d prefer Chardonnay 2007, from Loire Valey. Plus they should send some cheese from Swiss, or Slovakia. Not sure, which one is better atm

I personally think you'd do better with 10 press-ups instead of all those shots. You may even end up looking like Nadal

paulcz wrote:I´d prefer Chardonnay 2007, from Loire Valey. Plus they should send some cheese from Swiss, or Slovakia. Not sure, which one is better atm

I'm not a huge fan of Swiss cheese, in fact. I only liked one, but forgot the name as I can't find it in the UK. I'm very fussy with the white wine, it's hard to find a good one, but had a semilion phase a few years ago.

I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

The Nadal´s fans should pay one bottle of the highest quality wine for one set with Nole to learn how beautiful tennis can be and you have a big luck that here are no Fed´s fans, pretty happy

noleisthebest wrote:I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

Nitb, do not be sad.The best time of drinking such a good time will come truly on 9th of September

wow3 wrote:....Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

Frankly, I'd rather not. I know it can subtly escalate into harsh words but that's certainly not my preferred way of discussing/arguing.

paulcz wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

Nitb, do not be sad.The best time of drinking such a good time will come truly on 9th of September

I hope so, but It won't be this bottle I'll toast to the potential USO win. I found it in the cupboard the other day and was almost "upset" with it for being there and daring to remind me of its unfulfilled purpose I'll have to think of something else grand now....maybe a year end number one

Silly me I just remembered it's my birthday in a few days. Stuff it, I'll think I'm going to drink to noleisthebest

noleisthebest wrote:

paulcz wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

Nitb, do not be sad.The best time of drinking such a good time will come truly on 9th of September

I hope so, but It won't be this bottle I'll toast to the potential USO win. I found it in the cupboard the other day and was almost "upset" with it for being there and daring to remind me of its unfulfilled purpose I'll have to think of something else grand now....maybe a year end number one

I should also buy some good wine stuff for next two weeks, I feel that it could taste amazing and tomorrow the circus starts. Good night!

paulcz wrote:Nadal´s fans should send each of posters here one bottle of wine to compensate his antics on courts. Or wait, Tenez, don´t you think that one is not enough

Just about Paul!

I don't mind Nadal fans....as long as they can articulate why they like him.

Tenez wrote:I don't mind Nadal fans....as long as they can articulate why they like him.

11 slams (he may never get close to Federer's tally), 21 masters (same as Federer), 7 FOs, the Clay slam, Federer's 'anti-Federer', 92% win record on Clay, plays every point as a match point (vs Djokovic @Madrid 2009). 5:53 longest slam in Open Era, Career Golden 'slam'. That too, despite a congenital foot defect, injuries galore. Do I need to quote any more statistics from his career?

Does that mean I 'dislike' Federer? Absolutely Not.

Federer in 'full' flow is as graceful as a ballet dancer to Nadal's 'pirate'. He is the closest to Pancho, minus all the 'dark' sides of Pancho. The stunning match at WTF against Nadal is a wonderful epitome of 'attacking' tennis. I cannot imagine a Tennis world without either of them.

Tenez I have sent you a PM of why I like Nadal.
It's detailed. (more than 300 words).

I would post it on here, but I'm not sure with the likes of Veejay, and ROTLA here I can post it in the fora. They are very aggressive, and I don't think it's worth it.

If u call someone aggressive then what will u expect from them. They both are fine posters and know tennis and doping very well

Anyways what maturity you are seeing in my comments and why I was not mature before?? I have said before as well that I never liked rafa's antics and I am still the same. I am still a fedfan and I dislike Nadal for his rule breaking and playing negative tennis.

U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun

wow3 wrote:If u call someone aggressive then what will u expect from them. They both are fine posters and know tennis and doping very well

Anyways what maturity you are seeing in my comments and why I was not mature before?? I have said before as well that I never liked rafa's antics and I am still the same. I am still a fedfan and I dislike Nadal for his rule breaking and playing negative tennis.

I'm not saying ROTLA and Veejay aren't fine posters, but they are aggressive. Whether they know about tennis or doping well... tbh I think Laverfan is more reliable.

btw your posts have become more sensible, maybe you haven't realised. On 606 (original) every day you would write articles which were around 2-4 lines dissing Nadal.

wow3 wrote:U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun

OK, done

Amritia3ee wrote:

wow3 wrote:U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun

OK, done

Good to see you here.

Amritia3ee wrote:

wow3 wrote:If u call someone aggressive then what will u expect from them. They both are fine posters and know tennis and doping very well

Anyways what maturity you are seeing in my comments and why I was not mature before?? I have said before as well that I never liked rafa's antics and I am still the same. I am still a fedfan and I dislike Nadal for his rule breaking and playing negative tennis.

I'm not saying ROTLA and Veejay aren't fine posters, but they are aggressive. Whether they know about tennis or doping well... tbh I think Laverfan is more reliable.

btw your posts have become more sensible, maybe you haven't realised. On 606 (original) every day you would write articles which were around 2-4 lines dissing Nadal.

I will start again if he starts to win everything but at the moment my sympathies are with him and that's the reason for not producing the articles like before

wow3 wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:

wow3 wrote:U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun

OK, done

Good to see you here.

Thanks

Amritia3ee wrote:Tenez I have sent you a PM of why I like Nadal.
It's detailed. (more than 300 words).

I would post it on here, but I'm not sure with the likes of Veejay, and ROTLA here I can post it in the fora. They are very aggressive, and I don't think it's worth it.

Thanks. I have read it. Good on you.

Tenez wrote:

Amritia3ee wrote:Tenez I have sent you a PM of why I like Nadal.
It's detailed. (more than 300 words).

I would post it on here, but I'm not sure with the likes of Veejay, and ROTLA here I can post it in the fora. They are very aggressive, and I don't think it's worth it.

Thanks. I have read it. Good on you.

Thanks