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Building a surface-specific tour for players!
Since I had done the research already, I thought posters who exclusively post here may need/find this information useful. This is based on the current ATP calendar.
Here is a list of available Clay tournaments...
Slam - RG
Masters - Madrid, MC, Rome
ATP 500 - Acapulco, Barcelona, Hamburg
ATP 250 - Bastad, Bogota, Bucharest, Buenos Aires, Casablanca, Dusseldorf (Team), Estoril, Gstaad, Houston, Kitzbuhel, Munich, Nice, Sao Paulo, Stuttgart, Umag, Vina del Mar
Total - 23 Tournaments
Hard ...
WTF - Barclays London
Slams - Australian Open, US Open
Masters - Cincinnati, Indian Wells, Miami, Montreal, Paris, Shanghai
ATP 500 - Basel, Beijing, Dubai, Memphis, Rotterdam, Tokyo, Valencia, Washington
ATP 250 - Atlanta, Auckland, Bangkok, Brisbane, Chennai, Delray Beach, Doha, Kuala Lumpur, Marseille, Metz, Montpellier, Moscow, San Jose, St. Petersburg, Stockholm, Sydney, Vienna, Winston-Salem, Zagreb
Total 36 Tournaments
Grass...
Slam - Wimbledon
ATP 250 - Eastbourne, Halle, London-Queens, Newport, 's-Hertogenbosch
Total 6 Tournaments
List source is - http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tournaments/Tournament-Landing.aspx
Points available are
Clay - 2000 (RG), 3 x 1000 (MC, Rome, Madrid), 3 x 500 , 15 x 250 (ATP - leaving Dusseldorf Powerhorse out) = 10,2508,750
HC - 1500 (WTF), 4000 (USO, AO), 6 x 1000 (MSes), 8 x 500 , 19 x 250 = 20,250
Grass - 2000, 5 x 250 = 3,2503,750 (Should I even bother )
E&OE
Here is a list of available Clay tournaments...
Slam - RG
Masters - Madrid, MC, Rome
ATP 500 - Acapulco, Barcelona, Hamburg
ATP 250 - Bastad, Bogota, Bucharest, Buenos Aires, Casablanca, Dusseldorf (Team), Estoril, Gstaad, Houston, Kitzbuhel, Munich, Nice, Sao Paulo, Stuttgart, Umag, Vina del Mar
Total - 23 Tournaments
Hard ...
WTF - Barclays London
Slams - Australian Open, US Open
Masters - Cincinnati, Indian Wells, Miami, Montreal, Paris, Shanghai
ATP 500 - Basel, Beijing, Dubai, Memphis, Rotterdam, Tokyo, Valencia, Washington
ATP 250 - Atlanta, Auckland, Bangkok, Brisbane, Chennai, Delray Beach, Doha, Kuala Lumpur, Marseille, Metz, Montpellier, Moscow, San Jose, St. Petersburg, Stockholm, Sydney, Vienna, Winston-Salem, Zagreb
Total 36 Tournaments
Grass...
Slam - Wimbledon
ATP 250 - Eastbourne, Halle, London-Queens, Newport, 's-Hertogenbosch
Total 6 Tournaments
List source is - http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tournaments/Tournament-Landing.aspx
Points available are
Clay - 2000 (RG), 3 x 1000 (MC, Rome, Madrid), 3 x 500 , 15 x 250 (ATP - leaving Dusseldorf Powerhorse out) = 10,250
HC - 1500 (WTF), 4000 (USO, AO), 6 x 1000 (MSes), 8 x 500 , 19 x 250 = 20,250
Grass - 2000, 5 x 250 = 3,250
E&OE
Last edited by laverfan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:24 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Updated.)
laverfan- Posts : 1073
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Re: Building a surface-specific tour for players!
There you are.....Welcome back. reading your post....
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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So what is your conclusion about it?
I think it would be even more informative to sort those surfaces per week (and points) than just by numbers. ...though it woudl not make much difference. On grass for instance one cannot win more than 2750 points and he will have to stick to a crazy schedule.
I think it would be even more informative to sort those surfaces per week (and points) than just by numbers. ...though it woudl not make much difference. On grass for instance one cannot win more than 2750 points and he will have to stick to a crazy schedule.
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BTW LF - Did you manage to get all the stats about players ground covering...per year...per match....etc...? Those woudl be the most interesting stats to have in tennis nowadays.
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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I will add Calendar dates/Weeks. It is possible for players to play on just Clay or Hard and be successful, without crossing over to other, if there are health-related concerns.
You are correct, natural Grass, is much harder to maintain as well.
I would love to see a Grass 500 or Masters, if possible.
You are correct, natural Grass, is much harder to maintain as well.
I would love to see a Grass 500 or Masters, if possible.
laverfan- Posts : 1073
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Tenez wrote:BTW LF - Did you manage to get all the stats about players ground covering...per year...per match....etc...? Those woudl be the most interesting stats to have in tennis nowadays.
That is a very slow project and data sources are very scarce. I have tried to keep it going, but public information is not easily available. I have connections at the local University, which is what I am exploring right now. I hope I can finish or at least give it some shape and post information here. Thanks for asking.
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Well thanks for the good work.
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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laverfan wrote:I will add Calendar dates/Weeks. It is possible for players to play on just Clay or Hard and be successful, without crossing over to other, if there are health-related concerns.
You are correct, natural Grass, is much harder to maintain as well.
I would love to see a Grass 500 or Masters, if possible.
I suppose we're about to find that out with Nadal.
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Welcome back LF. But as Tenez said, what's your point here? Also, a few mistakes. Clay: you are not counting the ATP 500 in your total points (so 3 x 500 = 1500 are missing) and Grass: 5 x 250 = 4 x 250 + 250 = 1,250 not 1,750 ( ) Also, there should be other points counted on how many points are available for a single player, out of all these tournaments, in which case, you should not double count for the ones that fall at the same time, no?...
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This is why I said "per week" woudl be a good way to measure the spread...but then I realised the proportion allocated per surface would be quite similar.sphairistike wrote:... Also, there should be other points counted on how many points are available for a single player, out of all these tournaments, in which case, you should not double count for the ones that fall at the same time, no?...
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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None of this would've been discussed had Nadal not moaned about too many hard courts...after happily playing on them all these years.....can anyone really see anything changing as a result of it?
I can't!
So what's the point....
If anything needs to be changed that's the speed of those courts. Nothing drastic, just enough to discourage ridiculous running into stands in order to retrieve the ball.
I can't!
So what's the point....
If anything needs to be changed that's the speed of those courts. Nothing drastic, just enough to discourage ridiculous running into stands in order to retrieve the ball.
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I wonder if Nadal is going to pull out of his well paying Expo in March at MSG on hard courts? :-).... lol...not..
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sphairistike wrote:Welcome back LF. But as Tenez said, what's your point here? Also, a few mistakes. Clay: you are not counting the ATP 500 in your total points (so 3 x 500 = 1500 are missing) and Grass: 5 x 250 = 4 x 250 + 250 = 1,250 not 1,750 ( ) Also, there should be other points counted on how many points are available for a single player, out of all these tournaments, in which case, you should not double count for the ones that fall at the same time, no?...
Corrected. I was looking at available points, not if two events fell on the same week. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tournaments/Event-Calendar.aspx
Some of this would have to be on a specific players schedule for that player to accumulate, and as you and T point out would be per week (excluding DC we have).
250 - 30/12 Brisbane 31/12 Doha 31/12 Chennai
250 - 07/01 Sydney 07/01 Auckland
2000 - 14/01 Aus. Open
250 - 04/02 Montpellier 04/02 Zagreb 04/02 Viña del Mar
500 - 11/02 Rotterdam
250 - 11/02 San Jose 11/02 São Paulo
500 - 18/02 Memphis or 250 - 18/02 Marseille 18/02 Buenos Aires
500 - 25/02 Dubai or 250 - 25/02 Acapulco 25/02 Delray Beach
1000 - 07/03 Indian Wells
1000 - 20/03 Miami
250 - 08/04 Casablanca 08/04 Houston
1000 - 14/04 Monte-Carlo
500 - 22/04 Barcelona or 250 - 22/04 Bucharest
250 - 29/04 Estoril 29/04 Munich
1000 - 05/05 Madrid
1000 - 12/05 Rome
250 - 19/05 Nice
2000 - 26/05 Roland Garros
250 - 10/06 Halle 10/06 London
250 - 16/06 Den Bosch 17/06 Eastbourne
2000 - 24/06 Wimbledon
250 - 08/07 Båstad 08/07 Stuttgart 08/07 Newport
500 - 15/07 Hamburg or 250 - 15/07 Bogota
250 - 22/07 Atlanta 22/07 Gstaad 22/07 Umag
250 - 28/07 Kitzbühel or 500 - 29/07 Washington
1000 - 05/08 Montreal
1000 - 11/08 Cincinnati
250 - 18/08 Winston Salem
2000 - 26/08 US Open
250 - 16/09 Metz 16/09 St. Petersburg
250 - 23/09 Kuala Lumpur 23/09 Bangkok
500 - 30/09 Beijing 30/09 Tokyo
1000 - 06/10 Shanghai
250 - 14/10 Moscow 14/10 Stockholm 14/10 Vienna
500 - 21/10 Valencia 21/10 Basel
1000 - 28/10 Paris
1500 - 04/11 London
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