Re: Men's qf predictions

by gallery play Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Can someone tell me how Delpo won that TB from 6-3 down?

by Daniel Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:19 pm

Once again, Fed had the harder draw.

QF/SF did not look too bad on paper.

Yes it did. Raonic has beaten him before here - and Anderson is a massive server. It was an awful draw from QF on.

by gallery play Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:22 pm

Daniel wrote:Once again, Fed had the harder draw.

Yes, that was bloody obvious all along

by bogbrush Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:22 pm

gallery play wrote:Did i hear Fed say he plans to come back next year for the unfinished business?
Jeez, the man refuses to bow

He said he would be back but he said there wasn’t unfinished business. He actually “I think I’ve done all right here” to general amusement.

Anyway, he’s coming back.

by gallery play Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:25 pm

bogbrush wrote:
gallery play wrote:Did i hear Fed say he plans to come back next year for the unfinished business?
Jeez, the man refuses to bow
He said he would be back but he said there wasn’t unfinished business. He actually “I think I’ve done all right here” to general amusement.

Anyway, he’s coming back.

I don't think he will. Why would he?

by bogbrush Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:27 pm

Because he was very matter of fact when he said he would be. He was quite categorical about it.

by gallery play Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:29 pm

bogbrush wrote:Because he was very matter of fact when he said he would be. He was quite categorical about it.

You didn't expect him to say "no, this was the last one", do you?

by bogbrush Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:35 pm

I don’t expect him to slip out the back door. After 20 years you think he’s going to go like that? No way.

by gallery play Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:43 pm

And you think after a match like today he was going to give hints about his retirement? You can't expect him to give full openness at this stage.
It's not backdoor-ish anyway, he will announce his retirement at some point.

by Jahu Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:55 pm

Come on Delpo, break him into 500 pieces.

by Daniel Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:03 pm

gallery play wrote:And you think after a match like today he was going to give hints about his retirement? You can't expect him to give full openness at this stage.
It's not backdoor-ish anyway, he will announce his retirement at some point.

I agree. And it's coming sooner rather than later. Maybe another year. Maybe end of this one.

by Daniel Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:04 pm

Meanwhile Del Potro should be hammering this defender.... but he has no B game. No plan. Just baseline.

Anderson would have butchered Nadal. prob end up in final and play at 50%. Luckily Nadal's luck runs out in SF.

by bogbrush Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:51 pm

Well Djokovic will have been pleased to see him out there for almost 5 hours.

by Jahu Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:00 pm

What a superb 5th set, well done to both.

Sure Nadal would of been beaten today by Anderson, Fed or Djoko.

GO DJOKO!!! (holy shit what the world is coming too) Laugh

by naxroy Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:12 pm

naxroy wrote:that tiebreak loss being 6-3 up.... nadal will remeber that

almost

but he did it

towards the end delpo looked better... but great effort from both

by naxroy Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Daniel wrote:Meanwhile Del Potro should be hammering this defender.... but he has no B game. No plan. Just baseline.

Anderson would have butchered Nadal. prob end up in final and play at 50%. Luckily Nadal's luck runs out in SF.

yeah like in the usopen

by Slippy Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:34 pm

I’ve only seen the highlights but it looks like Fed was slightly off his game but still playing well enough to beat KA most of the time. However, looked like every time he forced a break point Anderson would come up with something exceptional. Unfortunate but players like Anderson can produce these performances against anyone from time to time. Does leave a very dull looking SF though and a risk of a one-sided final unless KA or Isner can bring their top form. Sorry for all the Fed fans - hopefully he can make up for it with a run at the US Open and re-take the number 1.

by asperger Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:53 pm

fedrerers finish i think

by legendkillar Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:54 pm

He’s Swiss actually

by Slippy Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:59 pm

So we’re back to a situation where 31 year old Novak is the youngest player in a slam SF line up. Certain to be 8 straight slams with a 31 year old + winner.

By my calculations, since the start of the open era in 1968 (i.e. the previous 48 years) there had only been a total of 9 slams won by players aged 31+:

Laver (US69)
Rosewall (US70, Oz72, Oz72)
Gimeno (RG72)
Ashe (Wim75)
Connors (US83)
Sampras (US02)
Agassi (Oz03)

I still don’t fully understand the reasons!

by Slippy Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:04 pm

Nadal v Djokovic looks tough to call. I’d make Novak favourite but it will be interesting to see how he copes with a first slam SF since 2016. Would be surprised if the winner of that loses the final.

Isner has an 8-3 h2h in the other SF. Suspect Kev may also struggle to back up his performance today, so reckon Big John will make his first slam final.

by summerblues Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:24 pm

legendkillar wrote:He’s Swiss actually

Today, for the first time, I think he is Finnish.

by summerblues Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:27 pm

Slippy wrote:I still don’t fully understand the reasons!

Same here. I can think of a few plausible explanations, none of which convinces me fully.

by N2D2L Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:29 pm

Nadal played very well, as did Del Potro.

However he will be very tired, and will be crushed by Djokovic in the semi.

by summerblues Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:32 pm

bogbrush wrote:Well Djokovic will have been pleased to see him out there for almost 5 hours.

That's putting a positive spin on a dire situation. We were looking for 21-17, and now we are starting at a prospect of 20-18. I would love my first thought to be as optimistic as yours.

by N2D2L Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:33 pm

summerblues wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Well Djokovic will have been pleased to see him out there for almost 5 hours.
That's putting a positive spin on a dire situation. We were looking for 21-17, and now we are starting at a prospect of 20-18. I would love my first thought to be as optimistic as yours.

Djokovic still needs to add 5 other slams to add to this Wimbledon title for that to happen.

by Jahu Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:33 pm

Is this your Analysis No:8 Laugh

Guess this time you are right, but even Nadal knows he has done more then he hoped at W.

by summerblues Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:34 pm

DEC1M7 wrote:Nadal [...] will be crushed by Djokovic in the semi.

I still think Slippy was right when he guessed your account was hacked yesterday. Welcome back.

by N2D2L Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:36 pm

Jahu wrote:Is this your Analysis No:8

Guess this time you are right, but even Nadal knows he has done more then he hoped at W.

Nadal has played well so far, and today was his best performance of the tournament yet. Del Potro's level was the highest I've seen it in years, his serve was deadly, his forehand was an absolute joke, and even his backhand was holding up ok.

by N2D2L Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:38 pm

summerblues wrote:
DEC1M7 wrote:Nadal [...] will be crushed by Djokovic in the semi.
I still think Slippy was right when he guessed your account was hacked yesterday. Welcome back.

Thank you SB, have had to change my password to up my security after yesterday's hack.

by naxroy Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:39 pm

it will be a great match, we are lucky to like tennis these days

by Daniel Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:43 pm

DEC1M7 wrote:Nadal played very well, as did Del Potro.

However he will be very tired, and will be crushed by Djokovic in the semi.

Del Potro is brainless and Nadal of late likes playing him - because the useless bastard just plays from baseline and refuses to approach net or play short balls - and Nadal can just pepper backhand like the gormless bore he is. And when the serve fails enough, he loses serve. Easy. One brainless player to another - and on today's surfaces, only one winner there.

But you're right that Nadal will be exposed quicker than England were. Djok will make mincemeat out of Fistpump 2000.

by summerblues Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:48 pm

naxroy wrote:it will be a great match, we are lucky to like tennis these days

by Daniel Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:50 pm

naxroy wrote:it will be a great match, we are lucky to like tennis these days

Tennis? lol... baseline play like all the surfaces and no real grass play? Slow surfaces. You're so clueless it hurts everyone's brain. That cheating muscle bound mutant should be nowhere on grass - but this isn't grass. It's just same old.

by summerblues Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:11 am

break_in_the_fifth wrote:Wrt the slam race, tbh Fed needs at least 4-5 more to be sure to end up ahead. I think Nadal can win that many more French opens alone.

Fed is not winning 4-5 more, so if that is what he really needs, then he is toast. But I doubt he needs that. I think Rafa will struggle to get to 20. Though of course the struggle will be much easier if he wins Wimbledon.

I just do not see Rafa winning until he is 36-37. Once a player gets older, the success can evaporate very quickly, and I do not think he can last as long as Fed has.

But we shall see.

by break_in_the_fifth Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:25 am

I meant to put it out of reach, not that he was actually going to win that... 2 more might be possible if he maintains some kind of form.

On paper he shouldn't have lasted half as long as he has and someone should have figured out his game but that's not how it's panned out. He already is older and even more so you'd have thought from the game he plays yet is still as successful as ever and about to win the channel slam for the third time.

Is anyone really going to watch the new players when these guys are done? Even if people thought Sampras was better than Fed, they'd have to at least concede that Fed was a worthy successor. Can't say the same about any of the new generations.

by Slippy Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:01 am

summerblues wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Well Djokovic will have been pleased to see him out there for almost 5 hours.
That's putting a positive spin on a dire situation. We were looking for 21-17, and now we are starting at a prospect of 20-18. I would love my first thought to be as optimistic as yours.

If Rafa does win Wimbledon I think he’s pretty much guaranteed to end as YE1, which will put him level with Fed on that statistic as well. A lot rests on Novak coming up with the goods tomorrow.

by Tenez Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:29 am

gallery play wrote:And you think after a match like today he was going to give hints about his retirement? You can't expect him to give full openness at this stage.
It's not backdoor-ish anyway, he will announce his retirement at some point.

I did not see the match but We have seen this physical fragility for month and it was again obvious v Cilic in AO 18. Whether it's the back hurting more now or simply age...one thing for sure is that it's the end.

We need Djoko to stop Nadal again.

by bogbrush Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:00 am

I watched the entire match and it wasn't physical fragility.

Early in the 2nd set he began to hit very basic forehands long and to mistime. He had no problems at all on serve. He had no problems getting to balls.

He spent a lot of time looking at the Court surface after those bad shots, that went on for a good set even though he won it on the tie break (in which he blew two set points on serve by hitting unpressurised forehands long).

At this point he stopped playing to the margins completely and decided to play to await Anderson's errors or chokes. It very nearly worked out; the match point showed that, and he also got a bp in the 5th.

However it allowed Anderson to get a solid footing on his own shots. This meant more chances for Federer to make an error, which he did.

In my opinion he would have won this match cleanly on Centre Court. Federer plays with less margin when he is at his most effective and I suspect Court 1 doesn't allow it. He had to switch to a game he hasn't played for quite a few years - the post-injury Federer has been ruthlessly attacking and risky, this was the wait-and-see version that used to play with the smaller racquet.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:14 am

Very good analysis bb for this match. Fed was playing nothing like he was since AO2017. It might have to do with the fact that Anderson wasn't playing anything like himself either. On all big moments on which he usually fails, this time he didn't.

by Slippy Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:04 am

Interesting analysis BB

by barrystar Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:42 am

I agree with much of what bb says - Fed did not look unfresh or disheveled consistently with being physically knackered; he looked cagey and unsure of himself. He had patches when he went on the attack and was too much for Anderson; there was one stage in the fifth set when I thought he'd finally dragged it back (about 8th to 10th games), but after the 2nd set he never maintained those patches for long enough. Anderson began to realise he would only have to weather a Fed 'storm' for a short while, and outside of that he could bash back what Fed was doling out.

Being unsure of Court No. 1 isn't a great excuse for a player of Fed's stature if that's the true explanation, and looking further afield outside Wimbledon he hasn't hit the heights consistently in 2018 like he did in 2017. If age is the explanation, it looks more like a lack of mental freshness than physical exhaustion. Onward we go - Cincinnati is usually as good an indicator as any as to where he is.

by gallery play Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:41 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:And you think after a match like today he was going to give hints about his retirement? You can't expect him to give full openness at this stage.
It's not backdoor-ish anyway, he will announce his retirement at some point.
I did not see the match but We have seen this physical fragility for month and it was again obvious v Cilic in AO 18. Whether it's the back hurting more now or simply age...one thing for sure is that it's the end.

We need Djoko to stop Nadal again.

I've we look at his losses earlier this year (IW, Miami, Halle) this hardly was such a big surprise, like i posted in the Wimbeldon expectations thread. Still, i couldn't say what was wrong since i've only seen it from 8-8 in the fifth. At first sight Fed's face looked fresh and he still had that relaxed duck-like walk, but very soon i could tell he was desperate. He was completely toothless in Anderson's servicegames. At some point he hit easy FH's outside the tramline due to very bad footwork...It's the very reason why Kevin refused to choke, like he normally would have.

Anyway, i think some here seriously underrated Anderson's constant pace on grass and the damage it can cause to 37 y/o Federer.

by Daniel Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:30 pm

Gallery_play is the only one here who saw it like I did when it came to Anderson. Not only that he was a threat but that by dumping Fed on Court 1, it really benefited him. Less nerves. Less support for Federer. And he's more used to the lower courts.

Why was #1 seed on Court 1?

by Jahu Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:35 pm

Cause no player should/will play all matches on CC.

But sure organizers could of made Fed play a not important 2nd or 3rd round match on Court 1 and keep him on CC for the rest of matches.

by naxroy Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:26 pm

Nadal delpo was the blockbuster

by summerblues Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:44 pm

Nadal vs Nole difficult to predict for me. I make Rafa a favorite because I find it hard to believe that Nole will be back to his best. But if he is, he should beat Rafa - maybe quite easily.

In the other match I expect Roger will beat Isner quite easily. Isner just does not have enough game to trouble Fed.

Good lock Roger, good luck Nole!

by summerblues Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:48 pm

All who were disappointed that Kevin could not cross the finish line vs Novak in 2015 must be pleased that he has made up for it this year.

by AceofDeath Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:52 pm

Fed looked injured/tired. No way he loses to Anderson on grass if he wasn't.

The tour needs Djokovic to win tomorrow, a defeat would be unimaginable.

by AceofDeath Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:54 pm

summerblues wrote:All who were disappointed that Kevin could not cross the finish line vs Novak in 2015 must be pleased that he has made up for it this year.

He had his chance to prove himself in the USO final and failed miserably. No one is pleased except Nadal fans.

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