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Expectations for Wimbledon
I've slept on yesterdays deception and i must say i'll be surprised if Federer wins Wimbledon. He's too fragile at the moment. Coric played well but realistically he's third round material at Wimbledon at best(after winning Halle he has a career w/l ratio of 7-7 on grass..).
So, what do i expect? Much depends on the conditions. I thought Stuttgart was lightning fast, Halle was -like always- in a bad shape and mediocre fast, Queens had-like always- proper grasscourts. Last year the first week of Wimbledon was dead slow, after watering the grass it became a lot quicker in the second week. Obviously there's a whole lot to manipulate by the TD's..
Anyway, my thoughts (bearing in mind there won't be "Stuttgart fast" courts):
1. Federer to be beaten by Cilic or Nole before the final
2. Nadal won't get Cilic and Nole in his half (on strict TD's orders)
3. If they don't water the grass on middle sunday: Nadal to make it further than Federer
4. Cilic to win Wimbledon (admittedly, this is also a bit of teaser for Nitb and Tenez )
5. And then the fifth key player (Kyrgios): he'll shine before he'll self-destruct in the fourth or quarters
What do y'all expect?
So, what do i expect? Much depends on the conditions. I thought Stuttgart was lightning fast, Halle was -like always- in a bad shape and mediocre fast, Queens had-like always- proper grasscourts. Last year the first week of Wimbledon was dead slow, after watering the grass it became a lot quicker in the second week. Obviously there's a whole lot to manipulate by the TD's..
Anyway, my thoughts (bearing in mind there won't be "Stuttgart fast" courts):
1. Federer to be beaten by Cilic or Nole before the final
2. Nadal won't get Cilic and Nole in his half (on strict TD's orders)
3. If they don't water the grass on middle sunday: Nadal to make it further than Federer
4. Cilic to win Wimbledon (admittedly, this is also a bit of teaser for Nitb and Tenez )
5. And then the fifth key player (Kyrgios): he'll shine before he'll self-destruct in the fourth or quarters
What do y'all expect?
gallery play- Posts : 2620
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The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
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Big call. Cilic would seem to be the only real option?naxroy wrote:I expect a new champion
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Slippy wrote:Big call. Cilic would seem to be the only real option?naxroy wrote:I expect a new champion
cilic is a strong option, but even if its not him... I sense it
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Easily? I looked like he aged 10 years the last 2 weeks...Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
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Any other names?naxroy wrote:Slippy wrote:Big call. Cilic would seem to be the only real option?naxroy wrote:I expect a new champion
cilic is a strong option, but even if its not him... I sense it
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gallery play wrote:Any other names?naxroy wrote:Slippy wrote:Big call. Cilic would seem to be the only real option?naxroy wrote:I expect a new champion
cilic is a strong option, but even if its not him... I sense it
kyrgios, raonic, delpo
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OK....
Despite Fed looking fragile and edgy yesterday....and losing to CORIC (!!!) who btw didn't play that badly, I can't or more - don't want to see anyone else win Wimbledon.
But it's going to be super hard, similar to AO where he did it by the skin of his teeth. I am hoping CC do something to his head and bring some flight in those legs.
I don't think Nadal will play.
Cilic is a firm second favourite.
Nole...no idea, he is lacking stamina even or best of three, maybe he is playing clean now.
Delpo can have a decent run if he is healthy.
Kyrgios is a headcase so much will depend on his draw. Def a banana skin to be avoided.
I think Shapo is still a tennis baby whose confidence is probably even lower now than last year as he lost early in Stuttgart.
Kev has the game and the form but I think his head is gone for ever after that loss to Schwartzy in 5 in RG.
Maybe Querrey?
A LOT will depend on the draw, so let's talk on Thursday!
Despite Fed looking fragile and edgy yesterday....and losing to CORIC (!!!) who btw didn't play that badly, I can't or more - don't want to see anyone else win Wimbledon.
But it's going to be super hard, similar to AO where he did it by the skin of his teeth. I am hoping CC do something to his head and bring some flight in those legs.
I don't think Nadal will play.
Cilic is a firm second favourite.
Nole...no idea, he is lacking stamina even or best of three, maybe he is playing clean now.
Delpo can have a decent run if he is healthy.
Kyrgios is a headcase so much will depend on his draw. Def a banana skin to be avoided.
I think Shapo is still a tennis baby whose confidence is probably even lower now than last year as he lost early in Stuttgart.
Kev has the game and the form but I think his head is gone for ever after that loss to Schwartzy in 5 in RG.
Maybe Querrey?
A LOT will depend on the draw, so let's talk on Thursday!
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Two events of the type he just played over two weeks is a far tougher task than a two week Slam.gallery play wrote:Easily? I looked like he aged 10 years the last 2 weeks...Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
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TDs in Wimbledon are known for liking fancy draws so anything can be expected.
Ideally, Nadal doesn't play and Cilic is 2nd seed with Nole and Kyrgios and Raonic in bottom half.
Ideally, Nadal doesn't play and Cilic is 2nd seed with Nole and Kyrgios and Raonic in bottom half.
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You're suggesting he'll only be playing 3 set matches...bogbrush wrote:Two events of the type he just played over two weeks is a far tougher task than a two week Slam.gallery play wrote:Easily? I looked like he aged 10 years the last 2 weeks...Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
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Nadal will play. He smells blood now and wants to defend his top spot.noleisthebest wrote:TDs in Wimbledon are known for liking fancy draws so anything can be expected.
Ideally, Nadal doesn't play and Cilic is 2nd seed with Nole and Kyrgios and Raonic in bottom half.
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Yeah, early on hopefully. I think even a 4-setter with rest isn't as hard as what he's just been doing. It's the lack of rest day.gallery play wrote:You're suggesting he'll only be playing 3 set matches...bogbrush wrote:Two events of the type he just played over two weeks is a far tougher task than a two week Slam.gallery play wrote:Easily? I looked like he aged 10 years the last 2 weeks...Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
Also with W he'll be on Centre all the way through and the roof means progress will stay up to date.
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That sounds so sinister!gallery play wrote:Nadal will play. He smells blood now and wants to defend his top spot.noleisthebest wrote:TDs in Wimbledon are known for liking fancy draws so anything can be expected.
Ideally, Nadal doesn't play and Cilic is 2nd seed with Nole and Kyrgios and Raonic in bottom half.
It would be a total disaster...if he were to turn up in Wimbledon, he'll probably have a long list of players for TD who he doesn't want in the draw. But I expect Fed also may have decent support in those quarters with the old school "boys".
A lot will be happening behind the scenes.
Still, it's been a long time since Nadal made it to week two. And maybe he wants to preserve his "aura" so he doesn't show up...that's my hope, anyway.
Murray seems to be keen on playing (he's taken WC in Eastbourne), and I can't imagine him having a terrible draw - he may end up in Nadal's quarter as I'm sure he'd rather play him than Fed.
Nole will be dispensable as usual and end up with the Kyrgios, Delpo, Raonic etc...
I still think Fed will come out alright somehow.
A bad loss in Wimbledon could be the end in his heart. I can't imagine him wanting to play much longer if that happens.
I still think Fed will do it.
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Here comes the list of Wimbledon seeds:
1) Roger Federer
2) Rafael Nadal
3) Marin Cilic
4) Alexander Zverev
5) Juan Martin del Potro
6) Grigor Dimitrov
7) Dominic Thiem
8) Kevin Anderson
9) John Isner
10) David Goffin
11) Sam Querrey
12) Novak Djokovic
13) Milos Raonic
14) Roberto Bautista Agut
15) Diego Schwartzman
16) Nick Kyrgios
17) Borna Coric
18) Lucas Rouille
19) Jack Sock
20) Fabio Fognini
21) Pablo Carreno Busta
22) Kyle Edmund
23) Adrian Mannarino
24) Richard Gasquet
25) Kei Nishikori
26) Hyeon Chung
27) Philipp Kolschreiber
28) Denis Shapovalov
29) Damir Dzumhur
30) Filip Krajinovic
31) Marco Cecchinato
32) Fernando Verdasco
Scary to see some names (Cecchinato eg - however much I liked him as a player)...Krajinovic is injured, so not sure he'll play, Chung, too, Dimi has lost the plot, Sock, Pouille, Mannarino are all going to be knocked out early....there are probably better players outside the seeds list who can make real trouble in early rounds - Muller, Brown if he qualifies etc....
Nole's seeding has been bumped up by 5 places, so he is now at number 12....if only Murray had a baby...
Can't wait for the draw!
1) Roger Federer
2) Rafael Nadal
3) Marin Cilic
4) Alexander Zverev
5) Juan Martin del Potro
6) Grigor Dimitrov
7) Dominic Thiem
8) Kevin Anderson
9) John Isner
10) David Goffin
11) Sam Querrey
12) Novak Djokovic
13) Milos Raonic
14) Roberto Bautista Agut
15) Diego Schwartzman
16) Nick Kyrgios
17) Borna Coric
18) Lucas Rouille
19) Jack Sock
20) Fabio Fognini
21) Pablo Carreno Busta
22) Kyle Edmund
23) Adrian Mannarino
24) Richard Gasquet
25) Kei Nishikori
26) Hyeon Chung
27) Philipp Kolschreiber
28) Denis Shapovalov
29) Damir Dzumhur
30) Filip Krajinovic
31) Marco Cecchinato
32) Fernando Verdasco
Scary to see some names (Cecchinato eg - however much I liked him as a player)...Krajinovic is injured, so not sure he'll play, Chung, too, Dimi has lost the plot, Sock, Pouille, Mannarino are all going to be knocked out early....there are probably better players outside the seeds list who can make real trouble in early rounds - Muller, Brown if he qualifies etc....
Nole's seeding has been bumped up by 5 places, so he is now at number 12....if only Murray had a baby...
Can't wait for the draw!
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So Nadal is playing just saw he is preparing in some exo tournament:
“It’s always great to play in front of UK fans so I can’t wait to return,” said Nadal. “I’m working hard and this is the perfect way to warm up for Wimbledon.”
GP, you were right...
Well, I hope he gets knocked out early and in style.
What is Sir Rosol doing these days?
Wouldn't that be a very Wimbledon R1 match?
Nole will finish him off if everyone else fails!
“It’s always great to play in front of UK fans so I can’t wait to return,” said Nadal. “I’m working hard and this is the perfect way to warm up for Wimbledon.”
GP, you were right...
Well, I hope he gets knocked out early and in style.
What is Sir Rosol doing these days?
Wouldn't that be a very Wimbledon R1 match?
Nole will finish him off if everyone else fails!
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Ideal path for nadal
semis) Alexander Zverev
quarters) Dominic Thiem
4th) Roberto Bautista Agut
3rd) Damir Dzumhur
2nd) david ferrer
1st) lorenzi
killer path for nadal
semis) cilic
quarters) djokovic
4th) Nick Kyrgios
3rd) Hyeon Chung
2nd) muller
1st) Mischa Zverev
semis) Alexander Zverev
quarters) Dominic Thiem
4th) Roberto Bautista Agut
3rd) Damir Dzumhur
2nd) david ferrer
1st) lorenzi
killer path for nadal
semis) cilic
quarters) djokovic
4th) Nick Kyrgios
3rd) Hyeon Chung
2nd) muller
1st) Mischa Zverev
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Think Djokovic might turn in a good run....
Just a feeling I have.
Just a feeling I have.
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Btw, now that we know Nadal is playing, what does everyone think of his chances?
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Depends on what the TD's want. They could give him dry milimeter-cut-grass and an easy draw of course. Naxroy's list could be not far off, with the killer list for Federer.noleisthebest wrote:Btw, now that we know Nadal is playing, what does everyone think of his chances?
I just think TD's from now on want a new chapter in the history books: Nadal to break the slam record. I know Krajicek would offer a toe (or 2) for it..
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gallery play wrote:Depends on what the TD's want. They could give him dry milimeter-cut-grass and an easy draw of course. Naxroy's list could be not far off, with the killer list for Federer.noleisthebest wrote:Btw, now that we know Nadal is playing, what does everyone think of his chances?
I just think TD's from now on want a new chapter in the history books: Nadal to break the slam record. I know Krajicek would offer a toe (or 2) for it..
Seriously, what is the matter with that man?
I would like to believe TD will not go Nadal way in Wimbledon.
The weather’s been really warm in the UK in te last few weeks and getting even hotter this week, over 30 degrees...so they will probably water the grass heavily to keep it green for next week.
I dunno what that will mean when the rubber hits the turf, but I know one thing - Wimbledon was not meant to be for Nadal in the last 5 years...I have rewatched this clip with Rosol a few times (can’t get enough!) and he really looks like sent direct from God, the force really was with Sir Rosol in a special way that day...same as with Darcis, Brown, etc...the easier the draw was fixed, the more spectacular the exit...oh how sweet every one was!
I am hoping for more of the same.
The record chase farce will probably continue in RG II - USO. By the time that happens, Nole and Murray and probably a few others are going to make the draw a bit more competitive than last year.
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I’m struggling a bit with the concept that Mischa Zverev would be a harder first round draw for Nadal then Andy Murray!
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Slippy wrote:I’m struggling a bit with the concept that Mischa Zverev would be a harder first round draw for Nadal then Andy Murray!
correct
didnt think of that chance
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I still think it is Federer's to lose. Yesterday's loss dents my confidence a little, but between Fed probably not wanting to go all out, him being a little tired, and Coric playing surprisingly well, I do not see that one loss changing the equation whole lot. Other than that, I thought Fed looked quite good over the last couple of weeks.
So I go with Fed.
So I go with Fed.
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If there is one thing with what I agree 100% on this thread, it is this:
gallery play wrote:Nadal will play. He smells blood now
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gallery play wrote:
2. Nadal won't get Cilic and Nole in his half (on strict TD's orders)
Decent OP until this, at which point you lost all credibility, unless of course this was tongue in cheek
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Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
Really? The field is much stronger than clay and looks far more unpredictable than last year
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Emancipator wrote:Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
Really? The field is much stronger than clay and looks far more unpredictable than last year
I agree - Fed has looked more vulnerable on all surfaces this year than the same time last year, Nadal has looked just as solid on clay but a bit more vulnerable off it, Cilic and Del Boy have put increased exposure on the highest stage behind them, and Kyrgios is hovering around, not to mention various youngsters being a year more experienced and tougher.
Also, conditions-wise, think what this week of broiling sun will do to the grass - it's not going to favour Fed.
Writing Federer off on grass is daft, but to me it feels way more open than 2017 did.
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Emancipator wrote:gallery play wrote:
2. Nadal won't get Cilic and Nole in his half (on strict TD's orders)
Decent OP until this, at which point you lost all credibility, unless of course this was tongue in cheek
In your eyes only....maybe you need to open them and see what goes on.
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On clay, there was a reasonable question of whether Thiem and Zverev would step up their good results in the lead up events and put pressure on Rafa. I just don’t see that on grass. Both of those “youngsters” are unlikely to have any impact so we are left with the main challengers to Fed being:barrystar wrote:Emancipator wrote:Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
Really? The field is much stronger than clay and looks far more unpredictable than last year
I agree - Fed has looked more vulnerable on all surfaces this year than the same time last year, Nadal has looked just as solid on clay but a bit more vulnerable off it, Cilic and Del Boy have put increased exposure on the highest stage behind them, and Kyrgios is hovering around, not to mention various youngsters being a year more experienced and tougher.
Also, conditions-wise, think what this week of broiling sun will do to the grass - it's not going to favour Fed.
Writing Federer off on grass is daft, but to me it feels way more open than 2017 did.
1. Novak (still questionable whether his form and fitness is there and grass is, arguably, his weakest surface - notwithstanding he’s a three time Wimbledon champ!
2. Cilic - good form at Queens but has come up short often in slams and faded from a potentially winning position against Fed at the Australian.
3. Kyrgios - probably the most natural of the youngsters on grass but still a head case. Very unlikely he will have the mental fortitude to win 7 matches on grass.
4. Raonic - very little form to speak of and too one-dimensional to trouble any of the big 4 on form. Serve also looks to have lost some pop.
I just can’t see any of those options troubling Fed significantly unless he is well short of his usual slam form. I’d read nothing into Halle as my impression was Fed was doing the bare minimum having already had a good run in Stuttgart. Let’s not forget 2017 started with a defeat to a semi retired Tommy Haas!
Of course, nothing is guaranteed but an easy Fed title looks by far the most likely option currently.
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Slippy wrote:On clay, there was a reasonable question of whether Thiem and Zverev would step up their good results in the lead up events and put pressure on Rafa. I just don’t see that on grass. Both of those “youngsters” are unlikely to have any impact so we are left with the main challengers to Fed being:barrystar wrote:Emancipator wrote:Slippy wrote:The field looks fairly weak to me. Fed to win easily - dropping no more than 2 sets.
Really? The field is much stronger than clay and looks far more unpredictable than last year
I agree - Fed has looked more vulnerable on all surfaces this year than the same time last year, Nadal has looked just as solid on clay but a bit more vulnerable off it, Cilic and Del Boy have put increased exposure on the highest stage behind them, and Kyrgios is hovering around, not to mention various youngsters being a year more experienced and tougher.
Also, conditions-wise, think what this week of broiling sun will do to the grass - it's not going to favour Fed.
Writing Federer off on grass is daft, but to me it feels way more open than 2017 did.
1. Novak (still questionable whether his form and fitness is there and grass is, arguably, his weakest surface - notwithstanding he’s a three time Wimbledon champ!
2. Cilic - good form at Queens but has come up short often in slams and faded from a potentially winning position against Fed at the Australian.
3. Kyrgios - probably the most natural of the youngsters on grass but still a head case. Very unlikely he will have the mental fortitude to win 7 matches on grass.
4. Raonic - very little form to speak of and too one-dimensional to trouble any of the big 4 on form. Serve also looks to have lost some pop.
I just can’t see any of those options troubling Fed significantly unless he is well short of his usual slam form. I’d read nothing into Halle as my impression was Fed was doing the bare minimum having already had a good run in Stuttgart. Let’s not forget 2017 started with a defeat to a semi retired Tommy Haas!
Of course, nothing is guaranteed but an easy Fed title looks by far the most likely option currently.
So you think the clay field and more precisely relative novices Thiem and Zverev had a better chance of beating Nadal at RG (where he's only lost twice) than the grass field, comprising three multiple W champions as well as numerous other dangerous opponents (Cilic, DP, Kyrgios), has of beating Federer at W (where he's been beaten many times)?
Ok...
Not to mention that grass by it's very nature is inherently more unpredictable than clay or even HC's. If you're going to declare this W as predictable and hand the trophy to Federer then you may as well hand the entire tour to him, sans clay of course.
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I genuinely had to think who the three multiple champions were - it’s so long ago since Rafa won there. Let’s be serious - if any of those three win it will be a seismic shock. Nadal has done nothing on grass for several years. Djokovic hasn’t won any tournament at all for a year and Murray has won one match in over a year. The fact those are the first three players you mention as possible contenders speaks volumes about the real paucity of the field.
The only other player you mention that I didn’t deal with above is DP. That was because I’m not even sure he will be fit enough to play and, even if he is, he’s another player who is far weaker on grass than hard courts. I can’t even remember if he played last year and the year before I think he lost to Pouille?
As for the idea Wimbledon is somehow less predictable than the other slams, you do realise only 4 players have won it since 2003? Even the French has had 6 different champions in that time.
The simple truth is that if Fed is fit he wins Wimbledon. I’ll acknowledge that, with hindsight, that was also the case with Nadal and the French (Thiem and Zverev aren’t ready yet). However, let’s not pretend this is a wide open tournament. Now the US Open on the other hand looks like it could be a real stunner!
The only other player you mention that I didn’t deal with above is DP. That was because I’m not even sure he will be fit enough to play and, even if he is, he’s another player who is far weaker on grass than hard courts. I can’t even remember if he played last year and the year before I think he lost to Pouille?
As for the idea Wimbledon is somehow less predictable than the other slams, you do realise only 4 players have won it since 2003? Even the French has had 6 different champions in that time.
The simple truth is that if Fed is fit he wins Wimbledon. I’ll acknowledge that, with hindsight, that was also the case with Nadal and the French (Thiem and Zverev aren’t ready yet). However, let’s not pretend this is a wide open tournament. Now the US Open on the other hand looks like it could be a real stunner!
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Fed is the favorite, but agree with Eman that it is less obvious than Rafa at RG. First, I think that challengers here are on average a little more numerous and a little stronger. And second, I do not think Fed is in quite as good a shape for grass this year as Rafa was for clay.
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Yes, I don't think anyone would disagree that he is the clear favourite if fit. However, the implication that he is a bigger favourite this year at W than Rafa was at RG is OTT.
'As for the idea Wimbledon is somehow less predictable than the other slams, you do realise only 4 players have won it since 2003? Even the French has had 6 different champions in that time.'
A perfect example of a misleading stat. Basic observation tells us that grass is more unpredictable than clay. You can end up in a crap shoot on grass and lose to a big server or someone playing very short aggressive points. Querrey - Djokovic, Nadal - Rosol, Federer - Stakhovsky being recent examples. Furthermore, Nadal has won 11 out of 14 RG's since 2005; Federer has won 8 out of 15 W's since 2003 - that is a more illustrative and pertinent statistic, to the point in hand, than the one quoted above.
'As for the idea Wimbledon is somehow less predictable than the other slams, you do realise only 4 players have won it since 2003? Even the French has had 6 different champions in that time.'
A perfect example of a misleading stat. Basic observation tells us that grass is more unpredictable than clay. You can end up in a crap shoot on grass and lose to a big server or someone playing very short aggressive points. Querrey - Djokovic, Nadal - Rosol, Federer - Stakhovsky being recent examples. Furthermore, Nadal has won 11 out of 14 RG's since 2005; Federer has won 8 out of 15 W's since 2003 - that is a more illustrative and pertinent statistic, to the point in hand, than the one quoted above.
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Emancipator wrote:Yes, I don't think anyone would disagree that he is the clear favourite if fit. However, the implication that he is a bigger favourite this year at W than Rafa was at RG is OTT.
'As for the idea Wimbledon is somehow less predictable than the other slams, you do realise only 4 players have won it since 2003? Even the French has had 6 different champions in that time.'
A perfect example of a misleading stat. Basic observation tells us that grass is more unpredictable than clay. You can end up in a crap shoot on grass and lose to a big server or someone playing very short aggressive points. Querrey - Djokovic, Nadal - Rosol, Federer - Stakhovsky being recent examples. Furthermore, Nadal has won 11 out of 14 RG's since 2005; Federer has won 8 out of 15 W's since 2003 - that is a more illustrative and pertinent statistic, to the point in hand, than the one quoted above.
Absolutely agree with that - the epitome of crap shoots was the Wimbledon 1991 SF between Stich and Edberg which Stich won in 4 sets despite never taking Edberg to bp, facing several bp's himself, and having his serve broken once.
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Re: Expectations for Wimbledon
nadal had an exhibition match today against ebden, not that this matches say many things, but he won
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