Re: french open day 11 prediction game

by naxroy Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:35 pm

my expectations of this game were that nadal would be able of breaking diego... but of course I didnt imagine that nadal would be broken like everytime

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:36 pm

So the king of clay is scared of a little Argie and the rain....asking for the play to stop.

by naxroy Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:40 pm

noleisthebest wrote:So the king of clay is scared of a little Argie and the rain....asking for the play to stop.

nadal also made the other match to be suspended?

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:43 pm

naxroy wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:So the king of clay is scared of a little Argie and the rain....asking for the play to stop.
nadal also made the other match to be suspended?

bottom line it was he who asked, not Schwartzman. They could've probably played another game. The rain does not look that bad.

by Jahu Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:44 pm

Nadal to sniff some sawdust in his locker now, a couple of quick injections etc etc and come beat the shit out of Schwartz out of nowhere.

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:45 pm

Nadal playing horrifically, Schwartzmann doing himself proud.

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:47 pm

Nadal is definitely losing this, dropping the ball short and making an insane amount of unforced errors.
Interesting that Schartzmann's best surface is clay despite his short height, shows his sensational ball striking ability.

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:49 pm

DECIMA wrote:Nadal playing horrifically, Schwartzmann doing himself proud.

yeah, but how many times before have we seen this scenario...

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:49 pm

DECIMA wrote:Nadal is definitely losing this, dropping the ball short and making an insane amount of unforced errors.
Interesting that Schartzmann's best surface is clay despite his short height, shows his sensational ball striking ability.

Are you going to put some money on Diego then?

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:50 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
DECIMA wrote:Nadal is definitely losing this, dropping the ball short and making an insane amount of unforced errors.
Interesting that Schartzmann's best surface is clay despite his short height, shows his sensational ball striking ability.
Are you going to put some money on Diego then?

Snap. Just put £50

by naxroy Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:52 pm

its not only rain and conditions... nadal is not playing well, as DECIMA said, lots of UE and his forehand didnt enter the match

rain break wont do him bad, but what he needs is sun and some radical change in his game

and still, diego will make him earn it every point...

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:52 pm

DECIMA wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
DECIMA wrote:Nadal is definitely losing this, dropping the ball short and making an insane amount of unforced errors.
Interesting that Schartzmann's best surface is clay despite his short height, shows his sensational ball striking ability.
Are you going to put some money on Diego then?
Snap. Just put £50

is that all? Winking

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:53 pm

naxroy wrote:its not only rain and conditions... nadal is not playing well, as DECIMA said, lots of UE and his forehand didnt enter the match

rain break wont do him bad, but what he needs is sun and some radical change in his game

and still, diego will make him earn it every point...

yes, but where are the USs coming from?
The low bounce and difficulty to time the ball...so don't worry, he'll win this as soon as he comes back "refreshed" and "replenished"...

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:57 pm

This is the worst performance of his career- worse than any match he played in 2015.

by AceofDeath Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:58 pm

If he loses to Diego then the GOAT discussion ends. Federer would never lose to someone so small.

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:01 pm

DECIMA wrote:This is the worst performance of his career- worse than any match he played in 2015.

Don't worry Dec....Nadal is feeling your pain and will come back super strong after the break, you'll see!

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:01 pm

AceofDeath wrote:If he loses to Diego then the GOAT discussion ends. Federer would never lose to someone so small.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRaTsrmzhPI

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:01 pm

AceofDeath wrote:If he loses to Diego then the GOAT discussion ends. Federer would never lose to someone so small.

A bit cruel but....
Laugh

by Jahu Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:15 pm

Fed lost twice from shorter Davydenko Laugh

by AceofDeath Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:28 pm

Jahu wrote:Fed lost twice from shorter Davydenko

Diego height 1.70 metre
Davydenko height 1.78 metre

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:29 pm

AceofDeath wrote:
Jahu wrote:Fed lost twice from shorter Davydenko
Diego height 1.70 metre
Davydenko height 1.78 metre

Is that with heels on?

by Jahu Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:29 pm

8 cm is irrelevant, ask the girls...

by luvsports! Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:37 pm

The ones that have filed restraining orders? Winking

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:39 pm

luvsports! wrote:The ones that have filed restraining orders?

lmao

by luvsports! Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:43 pm

Nadal getting more zip on his groundies now and diego missing more.

by naxroy Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:47 pm

And rain again

by Jahu Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:37 pm

luvsports! wrote:The ones that have filed restraining orders?

Stop always making sense, git Big Grin

by Jahu Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:38 pm

This stoppage will hurt Schwartz more.

by naxroy Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:43 pm

game will continue tomorrow

nadal was lucky

but that serve game to win the set will be tricky to begin with

by Tenez Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:40 pm

Funny. Google doesn't know what Schwarzy looks like. I think they chose of picture of Dolgo instead!

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tennis+scores&oq=tennis+s&aqs=chrome.5.69i57j69i60l3j0j35i39.1045260j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

So Nadal in spite of being a break down in the second set ends up 5/3 up! He won't surrender that easily.

by bogbrush Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:15 pm

Hard luck on Schwartz, his advantage would be in making it a very long match. Now it’s a three setter tomorrow, something unlikely to stretch Nadal’s reserves.

There’s no handicap in the semi either as his opponent will possibly play more tomorrow.

by AceofDeath Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:43 pm

Thiem just needs to breeze through Cecchi in 3 sets and he will crush the buttpicker in the final. The other matches are irrelevant Thumbs Up

by AceofDeath Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:49 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
AceofDeath wrote:
Jahu wrote:Fed lost twice from shorter Davydenko
Diego height 1.70 metre
Davydenko height 1.78 metre
Is that with heels on?

Probably

Some people look shorter than they are on TV.

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:51 pm

AceofDeath wrote: Thiem just needs to breeze through Cecchi in 3 sets and he will crush the buttpicker in the final. The other matches are irrelevant

I hope not.
I’ve just seen the highlights of yesterday’s match, what a nice player, real tennis player, even the SBH!
I am sad Nole lost, but at least he lost to him.
Where has he been all this time!!!

He has lots of tennis elements from Fognini, great hands.

Italians have been such a breath of fresh air this RG.

by noleisthebest Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:55 pm

It was good to see Nadal on the ropes today, really good!

I had a Soderling ‘09 dejavu while it lasted....

by gallery play Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Tenez wrote:

So Nadal in spite of being a break down in the second set ends up 5/3 up! He won't surrender that easily.

Need to be said that Nadal was heavily injured before the rain delay. The physio managed to tape his almost torn off hands back to his wrists. He recovered incredibly well during the rain.

by Tenez Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:22 pm

I will catch up with the match...

by bogbrush Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:59 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:

So Nadal in spite of being a break down in the second set ends up 5/3 up! He won't surrender that easily.
Need to be said that Nadal was heavily injured before the rain delay. The physio managed to tape his almost torn off hands back to his wrists. He recovered incredibly well during the rain.

Well something dramatic happened during the break.

by Tenez Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:35 pm

Ok - I saw a replay from 4 all first set to 5/3 Nadal in the 3rd.

My take: Nadal has no wrist problem. Why did he ask for a MTO there? Schwartz hits a pacy ball from both wings, exactly what Nadal has always feared. Diego hit 20 winners in that first set and this is why he won it.

Schwartz coudl have easily been 5/1 up in that second set: 40/0 on his serve at 2/1 and game points at 3/2 up...ends up being 5/3 down. Having missed those opportunities you coudl see he felt down after that.

Also the rain and heavy conds are not helping him. It is harder for him to generate that crucial "critical pace" while it gives Nadal more safety in his shots as he receives a less lively/pacy ball. Nadal is poor at handling pace.

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:40 pm

No one said he has a wrist problem, nor did he take a MTO.
Had some tape on his forearm to stop sweat dripping onto his hand.

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:40 pm

I, on the other hand, have a splitting headache.

by luvsports! Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:02 pm

The Schwartzman effect!

by N2D2L Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:10 pm

The sweat dripping onto Nadal's hand or my headache? Or both? Probably both.

by summerblues Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:49 am

Tenez wrote:My take: Nadal has no wrist problem.

I did not need to watch the match to know that smiley

by summerblues Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:01 am

Good luck to Diego for tomorrow; hopefully he can recover from the second set blip and come out victorious.

by summerblues Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:07 am

barrystar wrote:I'd like to see Schwartzman pop in the odd underarm serve, especially if they get to a tie-break - make Nadal feel a doubt about standing way back to receive serve.

Everyone seems to be suggesting this now. We should remember that the original author of this suggestion on this forum was Daniel - he had been advocating it for a while now.

I personally am not convinced it would work. I suspect Rafa - even from as far back as he stands - would reach the ball and make the server pay.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:15 am

summerblues wrote:
barrystar wrote:I'd like to see Schwartzman pop in the odd underarm serve, especially if they get to a tie-break - make Nadal feel a doubt about standing way back to receive serve.
Everyone seems to be suggesting this now. We should remember that the original author of this suggestion on this forum was Daniel - he had been advocating it for a while now.

I personally am not convinced it would work. I suspect Rafa - even from as far back as he stands - would reach the ball and make the server pay.

Nadal stands 5-6m behind the BL and if he is not expecting a drop shot he can't get to it. Like any other shot this underarm serve needs to be practiced.

Or if not under arm, always prefer to serve out-wide slow kickers with acute angle opening the court in return. Down the T is almost not useful.

by barrystar Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:53 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
summerblues wrote:
barrystar wrote:I'd like to see Schwartzman pop in the odd underarm serve, especially if they get to a tie-break - make Nadal feel a doubt about standing way back to receive serve.
Everyone seems to be suggesting this now. We should remember that the original author of this suggestion on this forum was Daniel - he had been advocating it for a while now.

I personally am not convinced it would work. I suspect Rafa - even from as far back as he stands - would reach the ball and make the server pay.

Nadal stands 5-6m behind the BL and if he is not expecting a drop shot he can't get to it. Like any other shot this underarm serve needs to be practiced.

Or if not under arm, always prefer to serve out-wide slow kickers with acute angle opening the court in return. Down the T is almost not useful.

I agree with most of that - Fed pushes him out wide on the serve fairly successfully. However, pushing it out wide can give the returner angles to play with if he gets there quick enough - just like an underarm serve, the serve out wide needs to be practised and have the right mixture of spin, pace, and angle to work.

by barrystar Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:03 am

Muguruza v. Sharapova was interesting, Muguruza v. Halep maybe even more so. When Muguruza is on her game she is close to unplayable, but the margins for reaching her top form would seem to be tight because she also loses plenty of matches vs. lower ranked players when you might expect her to 'kick on'.

It looked as though she was pleased to duff up Sharapova on a personal level - there was no warmth after the match at the net at all. Her screeching was at a level comparable to Sharapova's in what was a horrible match to listen to. Halep is noisy too - it will be interesting to see if Muguruza makes a similar amount of noise against her, or whether they up their level vs. Sharapova. I will never understand why the WTA doesn't want to stop it.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:53 am

barrystar wrote:Muguruza v. Sharapova was interesting, Muguruza v. Halep maybe even more so. When Muguruza is on her game she is close to unplayable, but the margins for reaching her top form would seem to be tight because she also loses plenty of matches vs. lower ranked players when you might expect her to 'kick on'.

It looked as though she was pleased to duff up Sharapova on a personal level - there was no warmth after the match at the net at all. Her screeching was at a level comparable to Sharapova's in what was a horrible match to listen to. Halep is noisy too - it will be interesting to see if Muguruza makes a similar amount of noise against her, or whether they up their level vs. Sharapova. I will never understand why the WTA doesn't want to stop it.

This is normal for her with any opponent. In fact you barely see a good warm after-match handshake in women's tour. And its not even new thing.

Women hate each other.

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