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Re: Indian Wells
It looks a bit faster though today. Probably night play is the worst.
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Fed was just not playing well. I do not think it was his back. When he has back issues he usually plays a little differently - less power hitting, more slices and trying to win with guile alone. Yesterday he was hitting the ball - just hitting it out a lot.
Conditions or opponent may not be helpful, but even outside of that, he was just off.
Maybe he figures he can come in cold and play himself into form. Plus I doubt he is too stressed out about how well he does here anyway.
Conditions or opponent may not be helpful, but even outside of that, he was just off.
Maybe he figures he can come in cold and play himself into form. Plus I doubt he is too stressed out about how well he does here anyway.
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Nole looks like a shadow of his old self.
Amazing what a difference confidence makes.
Amazing what a difference confidence makes.
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Djokovic looks rubbish, really terrible. Hard to know where to start but he looks powerless.
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He is not muscling the ball any more.bogbrush wrote:Djokovic looks rubbish, really terrible. Hard to know where to start but he looks powerless.
He actually played better in AO.
Looks like even he doesn’t like sandy courts any more.
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Looks like he’ll get through this though. Maybe he just needs some matches.
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As bad as Daniel is think he should win that one. Djoko is way worse than at the AO.
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Daniel has the same game as Djokovic....but with a fresh pair of legs.
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Looks knackered, understandably I suppose.
Funny to see him under pressure to hit winners.
Funny to see him under pressure to hit winners.
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Quite funny. After copying the Western cars, the japanese copy the Western games. They wish they could copy Federer's game.....
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If anything, it;s Djoko's legs the problems....more than his shots.
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Oh his legs have completely gone.
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I suppose Djokovic would take it being fitness, that’ll come back.
Far more important that (i) the elbow is ok, and (ii) the remodelled serve hangs together.
Far more important that (i) the elbow is ok, and (ii) the remodelled serve hangs together.
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It will take a lot more time for Djoko to get back to his level....teh problem is by the time he gets back to his best level...the tour will have moved on to higher levels even.
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Delbonis is the Brad Gilbert of the new century.
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It was a horrible match from both, I stopped watching in the third set.Tenez wrote:Daniel has the same game as Djokovic....but with a fresh pair of legs.
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I only saw the 3rd and Daniel played solid. Djoko was really bad....well he gave up early.noleisthebest wrote:It was a horrible match from both, I stopped watching in the third set.Tenez wrote:Daniel has the same game as Djokovic....but with a fresh pair of legs.
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Listening on Radio as I write something - sounds like Federer is getting the bit between his teeth.
Commentators are clear that IW is the slowest of the HC Masters, and saying that the surface is v. rough and kicks the ball up. Saying how much it would suit Nadal.
Commentators are clear that IW is the slowest of the HC Masters, and saying that the surface is v. rough and kicks the ball up. Saying how much it would suit Nadal.
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Exactly like that.barrystar wrote:Listening on Radio as I write something - sounds like Federer is getting the bit between his teeth.
Commentators are clear that IW is the slowest of the HC Masters, and saying that the surface is v. rough and kicks the ball up. Saying how much it would suit Nadal.
Fed is playing well, just that the comditions are giving other players more time and making it longer to winnpoints.
Fed still managing to s&v.
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This is now very tight - he does not want to collapse into a third set crap-shoot.
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In spite of the hiccup in the TB, Federer was playing pretty well.
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Fed needed some help from Delbonis in the end, but is safely through at least.
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Miami used to be the slowest...But nothing was as slow as last year USO.barrystar wrote:Listening on Radio as I write something - sounds like Federer is getting the bit between his teeth.
Commentators are clear that IW is the slowest of the HC Masters, and saying that the surface is v. rough and kicks the ball up. Saying how much it would suit Nadal.
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Definitely much better than yesterday.Tenez wrote:In spite of the hiccup in the TB, Federer was playing pretty well.
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Having some taro tea (never realized how yummy it was) and thinking of the Nole match.
Shocking result. I was only able to watch until 6:5 in the first set. Nole was not at his best, but he seemed ok-ish and he certainly looked way better than Daniel. Did Nole just run out of gas or did something else happen? With Nishi pulling out, Nole's draw would have been opening up if he had only managed to get there.
So far, I am really enjoying Nole's 2018 return to the tour.
Shocking result. I was only able to watch until 6:5 in the first set. Nole was not at his best, but he seemed ok-ish and he certainly looked way better than Daniel. Did Nole just run out of gas or did something else happen? With Nishi pulling out, Nole's draw would have been opening up if he had only managed to get there.
So far, I am really enjoying Nole's 2018 return to the tour.
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Djokovic started well but was faltering long before he ran out of steam. He had no bite to his game, it was all very safe and his opponent smelt that there was nothing to fear in rallying.
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Djoko looked flat footed. His speed on the court was everything to his game. Sure his shots were not nearly as good as back then but to me that was mostly down to his legs....cause his shots were never really good anyway.
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You think he’s got a chance to come back or not?
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What’s taro tea?summerblues wrote:Having some taro tea (never realized how yummy it was) and thinking of the Nole match.
I started at 4:1 in the first set, so he must have had a good start.summerblues wrote:
Shocking result. I was only able to watch until 6:5 in the first set. Nole was not at his best, but he seemed ok-ish and he certainly looked way better than Daniel.
I saw a couple of “old” Nole points, but most of it was hard to stomach: low confidence, gutless, high percentage shots with no bite...he looked petrified in fact...definitely his worst match I’ve seen.
I think he is rusty and super low on confidence.summerblues wrote:Did Nole just run out of gas or did something else happen? With Nishi pulling out, Nole's draw would have been opening up if he had only managed to get there.
Mind you, he played much better in Oz, I can’t explain why he was so scared today.
He’ll come back but slowly...probably for indoor autumn season.summerblues wrote:
So far, I am really enjoying Nole's 2018 return to the tour.
Strangely, I think he doesn’t want slow courts any more.
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bogbrush wrote:You think he’s got a chance to come back or not?
Come back yes...at the very top..much more doubtful.
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Ostapenko is a pain to watch. Spraying all over the court. Looks like she is good good on clay cause she has more time to aim and pull...but way too many UEs outside clay....as far as I saw.
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I watched her previous match (and a few other since RG) she has changed a bit, hasn’t adjusted to pressure well.
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Another important part of his game, besides the court speed, was his flexibility....and that certainly won;t get any better from now on. ..though I am now sure how it plateaus.Tenez wrote:bogbrush wrote:You think he’s got a chance to come back or not?
Come back yes...at the very top..much more doubtful.
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Imagine if at the end of 2013 you were told that of the 'big 4' in 2018 there'd be only one player fully fit for both the Australian Open and IW, who would recapture the AO title he won in 2017 and go into IW as #1 defending the first leg of the sunshine double he also won in 2017.
None of us would have got the identity of the player right - I still can't quite believe it.
None of us would have got the identity of the player right - I still can't quite believe it.
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My biggest surprise today was how poorly Nole was returning...even Daniel’s second serves.
He was also regularly netting his BHDTL and all short, low FHs.
A shell of his old self.
Painful loss, not sure how he is going to regroup, stg has to click in his head or else he is finished.
He was also regularly netting his BHDTL and all short, low FHs.
A shell of his old self.
Painful loss, not sure how he is going to regroup, stg has to click in his head or else he is finished.
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barrystar wrote:Imagine if at the end of 2013 you were told that of the 'big 4' in 2018 there'd be only one player fully fit for both the Australian Open and IW, who would recapture the AO title he won in 2017 and go into IW as #1 defending the first leg of the sunshine double he also won in 2017.
None of us would have got the identity of the player right - I still can't quite believe it.
I can!
It’s wonderful, no?
How does that beer ad go: all good things come to those who wait!
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http://coloradocoffeecompany.net/blog/11627/Taro-Bubble-Milk-Tea-Recipenoleisthebest wrote:What’s taro tea?
Normally I do not much care for it - I think it is really more for Chinese teenage girls - but it was yummy today.
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I do not think I would have guessed it even at the end of 2016.barrystar wrote:Imagine if at the end of 2013 you were told that of the 'big 4' in 2018 there'd be only one player fully fit for both the Australian Open and IW, who would recapture the AO title he won in 2017 and go into IW as #1 defending the first leg of the sunshine double he also won in 2017.
None of us would have got the identity of the player right - I still can't quite believe it.
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summerblues wrote:http://coloradocoffeecompany.net/blog/11627/Taro-Bubble-Milk-Tea-Recipenoleisthebest wrote:What’s taro tea?
Normally I do not much care for it - I think it is really more for Chinese teenage girls - but it was yummy today.
I got the yummy bit the first time..
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Glad you did. I am not going to pretend I was not thrilled to see the score, but it is all in good humor.noleisthebest wrote:I got the yummy bit the first time..
I won't begrudge you your happy dance if he ever comes back and wins a few more slams ().
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I think you are confusing me with certain Nadal fans...summerblues wrote:Glad you did. I am not going to pretend I was not thrilled to see the score, but it is all in good humor.noleisthebest wrote:I got the yummy bit the first time..
If I wasn’t Serbian, I’ve probably thrilled, as well.
I can’t imagine him winning slams...not while healthy Federer is around.summerblues wrote:
I won't begrudge you your happy dance if he ever comes back and wins a few more slams ().
He can’t even get past Taro Daniel!
But I’d be proud if he could for one minute forget about money and play like a man...or at least like when he was younger.
This fearfulness he’s shown today was tough to watch.
Maybe I am too hard, and Nole is, as GP says - just human.
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Djoko has a lot on his plate: (a) the elbow; (b) the new service action; (c) basic match fitness - although that should be the least of his worries; (d) having recently cleared out his team, perhaps not for pure tennis reasons; (e) these 'on court' issues could muck up the mind of even the best adjusted and happy player; (f) he does not seem to be particularly well-adjusted or happy - there's the family situation and what I'd term the 'man child' problem - the long-term issue of his strong but unrequited desire to be universally loved.
There may be a bit of the 'Tiger Woods' in his situation - but as a golfer Tiger has had more time to deal with his issues than a tennis player.
There may be a bit of the 'Tiger Woods' in his situation - but as a golfer Tiger has had more time to deal with his issues than a tennis player.
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Tenez wrote:It will take a lot more time for Djoko to get back to his level....teh problem is by the time he gets back to his best level...the tour will have moved on to higher levels even.
Completely agree. And I would say his time of dominating the tour is over. He hasn't fallen down the rankings like Delpo, but coming back to the top is totally different thing.
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It looks like it's going to take a few more years for Zverev to really be a dominant player. Is he the new Raonic?
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barrystar wrote:
There may be a bit of the 'Tiger Woods' in his situation - but as a golfer Tiger has had more time to deal with his issues than a tennis player.
And even then Tiger Woods wasn't able to deal enough to getting back to top like before. And this is how its likely going to be for Djokovic.
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And another loss for Shcha Zvereev too. I see that the tour is shaping itself back to the the 98-2003 times when upset of the top seeds wasn't really as rare as it became during the last decade.
Year End top-10 this year is more unpredictable that it has been in the last 15 years.
Year End top-10 this year is more unpredictable that it has been in the last 15 years.
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Needs a specific thread really, it’s very big when a #1 looks like fading fast, especially the implications for other players left behind.
Anyone want to set out the framework of discussion? Barry did a good job above abd I don’t want to plagiarise his post.
Anyone want to set out the framework of discussion? Barry did a good job above abd I don’t want to plagiarise his post.
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