Canadian Masters 1000

... wrote:Did anyone see Shapa-Zver?

The score looked close.

Saw highlights. Simply experience won out in the end. When you consider he was losing to Edmund at the DC in February at home and then putting him to sword in June. 

Can see him continue in his upward curve.

Tenez wrote:

... wrote:Why do you think so?
I thnik Fed is so repulsed by him, he'll want to thrash him.

We will make Federer run, hammer his BH and return better.

If Fed serves well, he'll be fine. He's played better and better every match.

The ball is lively though, so his returning was not as good.

But even if it comes to TB, we know who's the king of them.

I probably want him to beat Zverev more than he does

Based on what I've seen Zverev is clear favourite, Federer has been poor throughout.

Yup.  Agreed.   Zverev will be a little nervy given his last encounter with Fed, but Fed hasn't played near his best the entire time and Zverev looks like he means business. He was always going to be the big stumbling block this tournament. Still, it's a final and he may up his game like all champs do.  No way to predict the winner.  Shap was done by lack of experience, which I think most would have predicted before the match.  But at 18... what a talent and potential.

The player who has won the most matches after winning the deciding set?

.......... Nishikori!! 

Haha, well that's not really a meaningful stat - esp given it will be based on a very small sample.  Nishikori retiring or ducking matches has passed 20... with Fed on 1 at 36 years of age.  I think that's way more telling.

Fed in 2, the russian puppy with fold quickly and Fed likes to dish some lessons to youngsters.

Come on crush this fuck, 4:1 down, wake upppppppppp

Jahu wrote:Fed in 2, the russian puppy with fold quickly and Fed likes to dish some lessons to youngsters.

unlikely now. fed needs to warm his body. he is not playing that well.

He's played like this all week, absolutely rubbish.

bogbrush wrote:He's played like this all week, absolutely rubbish.

yes apparently. It can only be a physical problem to me....most likely his back.

I know most don't want to see it but reading his interviews, the problem seems to be his serve.....and clearly from what I saw today, he is not hitting the spots as he usually can.

I thought the match was at 8 pm local time ie 2 am uk...good job I had a look here!

Come on Roger, flick this piece of dust off your dinner jacket!

What happened?

Aaaaaand the back point again 

Federer can still warm up (improve) like he did v Ferrer.

luvsports! wrote:Aaaaaand the back point again 

You are on OTF here. I am not scared of what I think!

Tenez wrote:Federer can still warm up (improve) like he did v Ferrer.

He will.
I am sending him my warmest support now!

Wake up daddy, kick some butt, dont fuking lose nowwwwwww

For me, off day.

luvsports! wrote:For me, off day.

5 off days in a row?

luvsports! wrote:For me, off day.

Fed doesn't do off days.
He is either rusty (which he is not)
or has a physical problem. (and that doesn't mean he ineeds to walk on crutches).
It can be a sore shoulder...

Anyway...stg's def odd, he is standing quite far back on receiving for his standards.

Hehe, baby Nadal is scared of Fed at the net.

Fed struggling to control the ball, just pushing it back, now that is very strange.
For some reason he is not loose.

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:For me, off day.

5 off days in a row?

He had an almost identical tournament to this one in '14 Toronto.
Had no injury there and just got outhit vs Tsonga in the final.

Tenez wrote:

bogbrush wrote:He's played like this all week, absolutely rubbish.

yes apparently. It can only be a physical problem to me....most likely his back.

Because Fed can't possibly lose to someone playing better than him?  Give over.  Every player loses or has bad form.  Nothing to do with the back. This was entirely predictable and was predicted to happen.  Only shame is I didn't take the 5/2 Zverev that the bookies were offering.  Still, Fed may come back.  Never know!

Tenez wrote:

bogbrush wrote:He's played like this all week, absolutely rubbish.

yes apparently. It can only be a physical problem to me....most likely his back.

I know most don't want to see it but reading his interviews, the problem seems to be his serve.....and clearly from what I saw today, he is not hitting the spots as he usually can.

No, that would have no bearing on the rest of the garbage. Chips floating, backhand in the bet continuously, etc. He is serving poorly though.

He's just been for whatever reason very poor. The conditions have been blowy and messy but same for both guys.

Daniel wrote:

Tenez wrote:

bogbrush wrote:He's played like this all week, absolutely rubbish.

yes apparently. It can only be a physical problem to me....most likely his back.

Because Fed can't possibly lose to someone playing better than him?  Give over.  Every player loses or has bad form.  Nothing to do with the back.

Can you believe what you' be just written?
Zverev is a hopeless retriever. What is good about his play?

Embarrassing, I;m not watching this shit, he is beating himself with UE's and shanks.

Go sniff something, everyone seems to be doing it 

Fed keeps serving to his BH which seems in top form today, get some serves IN man, stay away from the net, you ain't hitting it today.

luvsports! wrote:

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:For me, off day.

5 off days in a row?

He had an almost identical tournament to this one in '14 Toronto.
Had no injury there and just got outhit vs Tsonga in the final.

It's not about injury, it's about being stiff after 5 matches in a row! Tsonga has no weapon to outhit Federer on form.

... wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Tenez wrote:

bogbrush wrote:He's played like this all week, absolutely rubbish.

yes apparently. It can only be a physical problem to me....most likely his back.

Because Fed can't possibly lose to someone playing better than him?  Give over.  Every player loses or has bad form.  Nothing to do with the back.

Can you believe what you' be just written?
Zverev is a hopeless retriever. What is good about his play?

Can you believe that you think Federer is always going to beat Zverev.  He's proving you wrong - whether you like it or not.  He is a born winner.

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:For me, off day.

5 off days in a row?

He had an almost identical tournament to this one in '14 Toronto.
Had no injury there and just got outhit vs Tsonga in the final.

It's not about injury, it's about being stiff after 5 matches in a row! Tsonga has no weapon to outhit Federer on form.

Except he used to be far better than he is now - and Tsonga smashed him at Wimb from 2 sets down.

I have a bad feeling about this match. Fed has not lost a TB for a long time....and today might be the day that run ends.

Also, maybe Tenez and NITB seem to have missed the point that Zverev is 6 feet 6. A huge wingspan and serve.  Never going to be easy to beat this guy when he's playing well.  And he's 20.  Going to get better in the next year or three.  A lot better.

...if it goes to TB at all.

Tenez wrote:I have a bad feeling about this match. Fed has not lost a TB for a long time....and today might be the day that run ends.

Why do you think it will got to a TB?  Looks to me like Zverev might just win in 2 without one.

We need a fukin break now, to wake up Fed a little, and get ready for third set.

Daniel wrote:

... wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Tenez wrote:

bogbrush wrote:He's played like this all week, absolutely rubbish.

yes apparently. It can only be a physical problem to me....most likely his back.

Because Fed can't possibly lose to someone playing better than him?  Give over.  Every player loses or has bad form.  Nothing to do with the back.

Can you believe what you' be just written?
Zverev is a hopeless retriever. What is good about his play?

Can you believe that you think Federer is always going to beat Zverev.  He's proving you wrong - whether you like it or not.  He is a born winner.

Born winners don't play gutless tennis.

If you guys cannot see his serve is impeded, I can;t really help.....maybe just go and watch him on a good serving day on youtube.

Gutless tennis lol.  He's winning.  Deal with it.

Tenez wrote:If you guys cannot see his serve is impeded, I can;t really help.....maybe just go and watch him on a good serving day on youtube.

Poor serving and everything else has a number of causes.  Loss of form can happen to any player.  you have no idea if his back is acting up and even if it were, it's tough luck.  That's life.  That's tennis.  There are NO EXCUSES.

Jahu wrote:We need a fukin break now, to wake up Fed a little, and get ready for third set.

Zverev is serving brilliantly and is 6 feet 6... so that's unlikely to happen.

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:For me, off day.

5 off days in a row?

He had an almost identical tournament to this one in '14 Toronto.
Had no injury there and just got outhit vs Tsonga in the final.

It's not about injury, it's about being stiff after 5 matches in a row! Tsonga has no weapon to outhit Federer on form. 

He was serving in the 140's that week. Tsonga was on form, Feds wasn't on form.
He didn't play well all tournament in Toronto and i think the same is the case here.

Tenez wrote:I have a bad feeling about this match. Fed has not lost a TB for a long time....and today might be the day that run ends.

Me, too. He's stiff like he's swallowed a broomstick.
Haven't seen him like this for a long time...2013?

Fed going home soon, in 2, what a disappointment.

LOL....off day....you must be kidding.....you are so blind!

Daniel wrote:

Tenez wrote:I have a bad feeling about this match. Fed has not lost a TB for a long time....and today might be the day that run ends.

Why do you think it will got to a TB?  Looks to me like Zverev might just win in 2 without one.

Case in point.  Zverev breaks.

Daniel wrote:

Tenez wrote:If you guys cannot see his serve is impeded, I can;t really help.....maybe just go and watch him on a good serving day on youtube.

Poor serving and everything else has a number of causes.  Loss of form can happen to any player.  you have no idea if his back is acting up and even if it were, it's tough luck.  That's life.  That's tennis.  There are NO EXCUSES.

Yes ...fed is nervous! LOL!

Give us 3 sets u fuckkkk

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:For me, off day.

5 off days in a row?

He had an almost identical tournament to this one in '14 Toronto.
Had no injury there and just got outhit vs Tsonga in the final.

It's not about injury, it's about being stiff after 5 matches in a row! Tsonga has no weapon to outhit Federer on form.

Except he was rubbish from match 1, and it was the backhand not the serve.

Tenez wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Tenez wrote:If you guys cannot see his serve is impeded, I can;t really help.....maybe just go and watch him on a good serving day on youtube.

Poor serving and everything else has a number of causes.  Loss of form can happen to any player.  you have no idea if his back is acting up and even if it were, it's tough luck.  That's life.  That's tennis.  There are NO EXCUSES.

Yes ...fed is nervous! LOL!

That is one of the reasons for a loss.  That isn't the reason today.  He's just not feeling it - and that can happen.  It doesn't even matter anyway.  I'm actually pleased we are finally seeing a WINNER from the younger players.  It's about time! Call him gutless all you like, NITB... you are gonna be seeing this guy lifting slam trophy after slam trophy.

Fed enemy tonight, the NET