Re: Wimbledon Day 6

by Veejay Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:46 pm

not impressed with the way federer is playing right now..

by summerblues Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:48 pm

Mhmm....

by Tenez Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:48 pm

I was impressed until this game. Impressed by the way it makes it look easy and effortless. A bad game but again it essentially points to the impossibility of Federer to hit a proper BH.

It's going to be tough in the later rounds.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:49 pm

Veejay wrote:not impressed with the way federer is playing right now..

He's definely not flying.
But that's the result ofthis year's ball.

He is having to work his points, isn't having much fun.

But he will see it through as he is such a fantastic match player.

by N2D2L Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:50 pm

Even before Federer got broken back, he wasn't playing great, missing a few passes he normally makes.
I still think it's a bit of nerves, he'll step it up when he needs to.

by N2D2L Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:52 pm

... wrote:
Veejay wrote:not impressed with the way federer is playing right now..
He's definely not flying.
But that's the result ofthis year's ball.

He is having to work his points, isn't having much fun.

But he will see it through as he is such a fantastic match player.

Well this ball probably harms Zverev even more than Federer, stop blaming everything Federer does wrong on conditions, you're sounding like Tenez

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:52 pm

Tenez wrote:I was impressed until this game. Impressed by the way it makes it look easy and effortless. A bad game but again it essentially points to the impossibility of Federer to hit a proper BH.

It's going to be tough in the later rounds.

Yes, the sound from his racquet is very clean.
Despite winning Halle, he is still looking for his best form.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:53 pm

DECIMA wrote:Even before Federer got broken back, he wasn't playing great, missing a few passes he normally makes.
I still think it's a bit of nerves, he'll step it up when he needs to.

No reason for nerves.
That's just how he is.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:56 pm

Mirka's made an effort today! smiley

by N2D2L Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:59 pm

Federer at this level would be beaten by Nadal if they were to meet now.
Fed will get better though, and Nadal will lose to Cilic.

by Tenez Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:00 pm

I am not worried for now. His confidence will grow in this match.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:01 pm

DECIMA wrote:Federer at this level would be beaten by Nadal if they were to meet now.
Fed will get better though, and Nadal will lose to Cilic.

No, I think Nadal will lose in the final.
Probably to Federer.

by summerblues Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:03 pm

DECIMA wrote:and Nadal will lose to Cilic.

That would be very nice, yes (after he first loses to Muller) but - other than that one USO - Cilic has often flattered to deceive in the early rounds. He was progressing very nicely through RG draw too until Stan took him apart.

by N2D2L Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:03 pm

... wrote:
DECIMA wrote:Federer at this level would be beaten by Nadal if they were to meet now.
Fed will get better though, and Nadal will lose to Cilic.
No, I think Nadal will lose in the final.
Probably to Federer.

They have 3rd/4th play off in football, I wish they had 7th/8th play off at Wimbledon so he can play Raonic and beat him.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:07 pm

I love how Fed plays TBs.

Such heart and nerve.

by N2D2L Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:07 pm

summerblues wrote:
DECIMA wrote:and Nadal will lose to Cilic.
That would be very nice, yes (after he first loses to Muller) but - other than that one USO - Cilic has often flattered to deceive in the early rounds. He was progressing very nicely through RG draw too until Stan took him apart.

I highly doubt he will lose to Muller, saw a bit of Muller's match against Bedene and he doesnt' have the serve return or the groundstrokes to pull of a win against Nadal in BO5, Nadal would have to seriously dip.
Cilic, I've watched all of his matches very carefully and done some deep analysis, and unfortunately it's not looking good for Nadal. The match patterns will be very very bad, Nadal's serve will be straight into the Cilic hitting zone, it will be hammered. Cilic on serve, if Nadal can get it to a rally he will do well, but Cilic hits so many big serves.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:11 pm

DECIMA wrote:
summerblues wrote:
DECIMA wrote:and Nadal will lose to Cilic.
That would be very nice, yes (after he first loses to Muller) but - other than that one USO - Cilic has often flattered to deceive in the early rounds. He was progressing very nicely through RG draw too until Stan took him apart.
I highly doubt he will lose to Muller, saw a bit of Muller's match against Bedene and he doesnt' have the serve return or the groundstrokes to pull of a win against Nadal in BO5, Nadal would have to seriously dip.
Cilic, I've watched all of his matches very carefully and done some deep analysis, and unfortunately it's not looking good for Nadal. The match patterns will be very very bad, Nadal's serve will be straight into the Cilic hitting zone, it will be hammered. Cilic on serve, if Nadal can get it to a rally he will do well, but Cilic hits so many big serves.

Did you, really?
We are all ears!

by summerblues Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:11 pm

DECIMA wrote:I've [...] done some deep analysis

by bogbrush Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:15 pm

... wrote:Mirka's made an effort today!

I thought that too!

Mrs Bogbrush is impressed by the rocks on her fingers. Yikes

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:21 pm

Here comes the bhdtl pass!

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:22 pm

bogbrush wrote:
... wrote:Mirka's made an effort today!
I thought that too!

Mrs Bogbrush is impressed by the rocks on her fingers.

I didn't even notice them. Yikes

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:23 pm

Fed is lookng very good.
He is strong and healthy and striking the ball well.

Match vs Dimi will grow his confidence and he'll be ready to roar.

by Tenez Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:25 pm

Serve volleying....that's the only way Fed can win that Wimbledon.

by N2D2L Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:30 pm

I can write it down if you want, it's nothing particularly 'unknown' or special analysis, those who understand tennis will probably tell me I'm saying things they already know.

Nadal Cilic match patterns:

Cilic Serve-
Cilic on average will probably serve 2 unreturnables every 4-5 points. On Cilic's second serve, Nadal will win a greater percentage of points on serves to his backhand rather than his forehand. Nadal's second serve forehand returns will bounce into hitting zone, put Cilic in charge of the point, and the only way to trouble Cilic is to move him around.

Nadal serve-
The most effective serve for Nadal to use will be the body serve, after which Nadal should try and move Cilic around and dictate without taking unnecessary risks. Cilic is actually an excellent returner of first serves for his size, but he does best actually when moving sideways to return serve, he generates a lot of power. Won't be able to do that if a body serve, I expect Nadal to hopefully pick up on that and use body serve more as matches goes on.
As for Nadal's second serve, the fact Nadal is a lefty and it's swinging into the Cilic backhand should help him, but it's still a pretty weak shot, and I expect Cilic to punish it and dominate with comfortably 50%+ of points there.

Other than that, I think Nadal will probably go through good spells and bad spells, even though he's playing well his play is still patchy compared to in his prime. When he's going through a bad patch, he will probably try and take the FH DTL more and miss a lot. That will prove very costly for Nadal, as Cilic will not drop serve too many times.

Overall I see Cilic winning in 4 sets, breaking Nadal atleast once a set.
However, if Nadal does get past Cilic, I see him as joint favourite for the title; in fact I see Cilic has a bigger threat than Murray in terms of Nadal reaching the final.

by Tenez Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:31 pm

If you think about it, it would be very easy to speed the game again. It just needs a bit of rain and then the ground gets softer and bounce gets lower.

Maybe that's teh plan for week 2.

by N2D2L Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:32 pm

Tenez wrote:If you think about it, it would be very easy to speed the game again. It just needs a bit of rain and then the ground gets softer and bounce gets lower.

Maybe that's teh plan for week 2.

Yep they are planning that for tomorrow, court will be quicker and low bouncing second week.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:35 pm

Tenez wrote:If you think about it, it would be very easy to speed the game again. It just needs a bit of rain and then the ground gets softer and bounce gets lower.

Maybe that's teh plan for week 2.

God willing!

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:37 pm

Fed finally flying a bit.

That will awaken his tastebuds for more!

by summerblues Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:41 pm

Fed is playing very much within himself methinks.

by bogbrush Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:42 pm

It's depressing me watching Federer, this is not what I hoped for.

by summerblues Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:46 pm

What did you expect (or hope for)?

by Tenez Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:53 pm

summerblues wrote:Fed is playing very much within himself methinks.

I agree. I am not worried about his form. More about his opponents on this surface.

He is playing short points and it's going ok so far.

by summerblues Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:55 pm

Tenez wrote:I agree. I am not worried about his form. More about his opponents on this surface.

He is playing short points and it's going ok so far.

Exactly.

I just hope he does not have to play Rafa in the final. Other than that, I am reasonably confident.

by Tenez Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:58 pm

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:I agree. I am not worried about his form. More about his opponents on this surface.

He is playing short points and it's going ok so far.
Exactly.

I just hope he does not have to play Rafa in the final. Other than that, I am reasonably confident.

Djoko is my fear actually. He is looking into proving a point and will play like he has nothing to lose. He is getting to every ball again.

by Veejay Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:16 pm

okish performance,as henman is saying,going through the gears
dimitrov certainly wont roll over as easily as zverev

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:18 pm

Autographs should be banned!

Sign your backhand across my heart! love

by bogbrush Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:24 pm

Dimitrov, Zverev/Raonic, Djokovic, Nadal

Would be his greatest ever win. Can't see it.

by summerblues Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:26 pm

Easy enough win. Dimi should be trickier. I thought he looked pretty good this morning. Still, one would hope Fed will win. In any event, if he cannot beat Dimi, he is not playing well enough to have had a chance in later rounds anyway.

by Jahu Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:47 pm

How was Fed guys? Been helping a friend to move to a "non-refugee" area house smiley

so could not watch, can he beat that Djoko prick or not? Dimi will fold in 3, no worris there.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:51 pm

Jahu wrote:How was Fed guys? Been helping a friend to move to a "non-refugee" area house so could not watch, can he beat that Djoko prick or not? Dimi will fold in 3, no worris there.

Well yahoo, all I can say Anabel was in the royal box.

I laugh every time I see her now simce that "doable" comment. Laugh

by Daniel Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:56 pm

Dimitrov is good enough on grass to beat anyone. That's why a getting a good draw is important, SB.

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:59 pm

Daniel wrote:Dimitrov is good enough on grass to beat anyone. That's why a getting a good draw is important, SB.

If he was he would've won Wimbledin by now.

He hasn't even made a final yet.

He is good, but not that good.

by Tenez Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:02 pm

No good enough to beat 35yo Lopez!

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:18 pm

DECIMA wrote:I can write it down if you want, it's nothing particularly 'unknown' or special analysis, those who understand tennis will probably tell me I'm saying things they already know.

Nadal Cilic match patterns:

Cilic Serve-
Cilic on average will probably serve 2 unreturnables every 4-5 points. On Cilic's second serve, Nadal will win a greater percentage of points on serves to his backhand rather than his forehand. Nadal's second serve forehand returns will bounce into hitting zone, put Cilic in charge of the point, and the only way to trouble Cilic is to move him around.

Nadal serve-
The most effective serve for Nadal to use will be the body serve, after which Nadal should try and move Cilic around and dictate without taking unnecessary risks. Cilic is actually an excellent returner of first serves for his size, but he does best actually when moving sideways to return serve, he generates a lot of power. Won't be able to do that if a body serve, I expect Nadal to hopefully pick up on that and use body serve more as matches goes on.
As for Nadal's second serve, the fact Nadal is a lefty and it's swinging into the Cilic backhand should help him, but it's still a pretty weak shot, and I expect Cilic to punish it and dominate with comfortably 50%+ of points there.

Other than that, I think Nadal will probably go through good spells and bad spells, even though he's playing well his play is still patchy compared to in his prime. When he's going through a bad patch, he will probably try and take the FH DTL more and miss a lot. That will prove very costly for Nadal, as Cilic will not drop serve too many times.

Overall I see Cilic winning in 4 sets, breaking Nadal atleast once a set.
However, if Nadal does get past Cilic, I see him as joint favourite for the title; in fact I see Cilic has a bigger threat than Murray in terms of Nadal reaching the final.

Funny, but to me Nadal always plays im the same "spell".

His game is "spell" proof.

He is a good returner and that's my only worry as Cilic's game depends heavily on his serve, similar to Tsonga...that's why he chokes so much.

But we'll see.

At least Cilic has a hope.

by Jahu Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:43 pm

... wrote:
Jahu wrote:How was Fed guys? Been helping a friend to move to a "non-refugee" area house so could not watch, can he beat that Djoko prick or not? Dimi will fold in 3, no worris there.
Well yahoo, all I can say Anabel was in the royal box.

I laugh every time I see her now simce that "doable" comment.

Wish you could remember less and give me more moral support Laugh

by noleisthebest Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:31 pm

Jahu wrote:
... wrote:
Jahu wrote:How was Fed guys? Been helping a friend to move to a "non-refugee" area house so could not watch, can he beat that Djoko prick or not? Dimi will fold in 3, no worris there.
Well yahoo, all I can say Anabel was in the royal box.
I laugh every time I see her now simce that "doable" comment.
Wish you could remember less and give me more moral support

ok then, Nole is going to win Wimbledon!
And he'll earn £2.2 mil.and pay not tax.
And Anabel will interview him and give him his best smile!

After that Serena will five birth to tripets. Just because she is more equal than Fed who can only have twins.

Murray will of course have another girl and call her Anabel.

by Jahu Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:38 pm

1. Nole is not winning W.
2. Nole will pay tax, as earning are earned in UK and are subject to UK tax of no less then 50%, HMRC needs money to keep Vee and his friends on Income support Laugh

3. Interview and doing her, are 2 different things Laugh

4. Hope one of those tripplets in line are with Vee, to shut him up Laugh

5. No body needs 2 girls, I mean many have them, but no daddy wants a girl after a girl, sure will say "just let it be healthy", but deep inside him he wanted a son Big Grin

6. Pretty poor councilor you are, but thanks for the effort Laugh

by Daniel Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:35 pm

Tenez wrote:No good enough to beat 35yo Lopez!

On a given day. And he probably didn't put everything into that match... because a Slam is right around the corner. Don't you think that would be more important? You really are clueless about how sport works, aren't you? You judge ATP 500 1000 and Slams the same... and think Dimitrov is some push over that should have no chance. That isn't reality. On any given day, Dimitrov can beat this Federer.

But, don't worry.... should that happen, you can blame scheduling, Fed's back, doping, weather, the surface. Rather than just say "I WAS WRONG." Fed is still favourite to win, but you make it out as if Dimi is some loser who plays like bambi on ice.

by gallery play Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:20 pm

Daniel wrote:

But, don't worry.... should that happen, you can blame scheduling, Fed's back, doping, weather, the surface. Rather than just say "I WAS WRONG."

This may all come back at you, hard. Because i have the feeling the exactly the opposite of about everything you have said past week, will happen.

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