Re: Nadal Questionable For AO 2013

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:25 am

Amritia3ee wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Amri,

the problem is that some get emotionally unable to disentangle themselves out of their perception, but take it personally, which is not a sign of maturity, quite the opposite.
That's all fine, but it does not help on forums. It makes it very difficult to have any sort of discussion if people get all overheated and irrational.

As Tenez said it well: if you can't stand the heat, move on!
I know you can despite having your Nadal-sensitive moments.

Everyone can get carried away, just no need to be personal and insulting to any poster here, esp the one who founded the forum and in my opinion is a really genuinely great host.
NITB, the fact is that here you insulted me, not Nadal.
If you say something against Nadal it's ok, we can have a debate etc.
But your comparisons were directly implying Nadal fans, and as Tenex would say
it was 'low.'

You can't even see you are taking it personally. Why do you feel insulted about my opinion of Nadal or his fans?
Aren't you able to accept somebody else's opinion?

Take it on, as you like to say :chin: and move on. It's only tennis we are talking about here. Actually, not even that, just some nappy-changing really.

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by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:33 am

NITB you just said:

Everyone can get carried away, just no need to be personal and insulting to any poster here

I agreed with that.
Don't change your tune.

There's no need for personal insults, it's immature and unacceptable.

Strong opinions, on tennis, are fine Thumbs Up

by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:36 am

Basically say what you want about Nadal, tennis etc. but if you start insulting me directly (as you clearly did with your comparisons) then don't be surprised if I point it out.

Have respect, and treat others how you would like to be treated
Thumbs Up

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:11 am

Tenez, I have never denied that Murray has become physically stronger. To be honest I always had problem with Nadal because of time taking routines.

Secondly , I am not the one who keeps on playing like a broken record. Broadened jaws are sign of doping, says who? With age people grow, do you even know what metamorphosis is?
You think you know tennis and talk tennis but in reality you just talk physicality, legs and lungs and that too like a broken record.

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:16 am

And do you really think that I will stay on such a pathetic forum where you and your fellow posters hardly have a clue about tennis. I came back to realise you and co that how pathetic your views are and how it reads to a tennis fan.

Carry on with your senseless and mindless crap.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:01 am

Happy riddance. diva

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:11 am

Same here. Who will want to discuss with pugnacious people people like you and did I not put you in your place on ja606?

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:13 am

Although I will come back to read your buffoonery and comedy when I will need a laugh.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:15 am

Time to spat a pest.

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:57 am

wow3 wrote:Although I will come back to read your buffoonery and comedy when I will need a laugh.

We'll all humbly come to your forum to learn and get enriched from the wealth of your tennis knowledge, if and when we need it, of course.

by Tenez Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:09 am

wow3 wrote: To be honest I always had problem with Nadal because of time taking routines.

You see! You can't even be honest! Everybody knows most of your constant moaning about Nadal and Djokovic were about their drugs and egg chamber...also like a "broken record" . But like a very biased person you completely snapped when Murray was also put under the spotlight. What's the word for that?

by laverfan Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:37 am

How does one award five

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to this

of a discussion?

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:38 am

Dear me....LF...did you just have TWO sugars in your tea?

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:42 am

btw, plenty of competitive matches going on at the moment for those who care about tennis...Falla schooling Dolgo, as Sisling is Lopez. Troicki trying to force a tie-break and stay in the match against Le Monf.

by laverfan Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:57 am

noleisthebest wrote:Dear me....LF...did you just have TWO sugars in your tea?

Judging by the prior comments, I have had the least amount of sugar and caffeine in my drinks. Devil

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:59 am

laverfan wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Dear me....LF...did you just have TWO sugars in your tea?

Judging by the prior comments, I have had the least amount of sugar and caffeine in my drinks.

ok, it must be the lack of sleep then Nadal Questionable For AO 2013 - Page 2 1071211947

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:01 am

Anyway, sunny weather beckons and off to play I flyyyyyyyy Nadal Questionable For AO 2013 - Page 2 273093567

by laverfan Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:18 am

noleisthebest wrote:
laverfan wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Dear me....LF...did you just have TWO sugars in your tea?

Judging by the prior comments, I have had the least amount of sugar and caffeine in my drinks.

ok, it must be the lack of sleep then

Too many youngsters to worry about. Thumbs Up

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:33 am

noleisthebest wrote:Another insightful comment from Nadal's interview :

"I can’t pretend not to play on hard courts when two of the Slams are on
hard courts, but there is a mistake with our game. You don’t watch
footballers playing on a hard surface, or basketball players, those
sports with rapid movements.‘It’s
not going to change for me and my generation. Hard courts are very
negative for the body. I know the sport is a business and creating these
courts is easier than clay or grass, but I am 100 per cent sure it is
wrong. I may have to play more on clay than before but there aren’t that
many options.’
Andre Agassi once claimed Nadal’s vigorous playing style meant he was ‘writing
cheques that his body can’t cash’. He has proved the likes of Agassi
wrong before; many will hope he does so again."

I think there are already more tournaments on clay than any other surface. What is Nadal moaning about? His quotes are always self-serving and motivated to keep only his benefits. Surprising? Not since he has been doing it before as well.

Amritia,
what do you have to say about it? I see that on this thread you haven't posted anything much of substance.

by Tenez Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:42 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

I think there are already more tournaments on clay than any other surface.

There are a few more on HC but let;s say 4 out of 10 important, non-slam, tournaments (TMS and WTF) are on clay (40%).

I love clay actually when it plays like FO2011. I love grass too. I am a fan of natural surfaces.

by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:59 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Another insightful comment from Nadal's interview :

"I can’t pretend not to play on hard courts when two of the Slams are on
hard courts, but there is a mistake with our game. You don’t watch
footballers playing on a hard surface, or basketball players, those
sports with rapid movements.‘It’s
not going to change for me and my generation. Hard courts are very
negative for the body. I know the sport is a business and creating these
courts is easier than clay or grass, but I am 100 per cent sure it is
wrong. I may have to play more on clay than before but there aren’t that
many options.’
Andre Agassi once claimed Nadal’s vigorous playing style meant he was ‘writing
cheques that his body can’t cash’. He has proved the likes of Agassi
wrong before; many will hope he does so again."

Amritia,
what do you have to say about it?

Well I posted an article on what I thought of the surface distribution, you can read that I suppose Thumbs Up

There are many tournaments on Clay, but not many Slams and Masters. (only 4 in total IIRC). I think we should have more important clay and grass tournaments installed, like Tenez I prefer natural surfaces.

They are also kinder on the body.

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
wow3 wrote: To be honest I always had problem with Nadal because of time taking routines.

You see! You can't even be honest! Everybody knows most of your constant moaning about Nadal and Djokovic were about their drugs and egg chamber...also like a "broken record" . But like a very biased person you completely snapped when Murray was also put under the spotlight. What's the word for that?

I was never going on and on about egg chamber and drugs like you guys. I questioned you guys. I have raised questions but never like a broken reocrd- that title is saved for you. And I am not the only one who says that.

Anyways Rotla-the pest banned me. Just came back to show you the middle finger. Nadal Questionable For AO 2013 - Page 2 3157886161

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by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:34 pm

tenezandcosucks wrote:
Tenez wrote:
wow3 wrote: To be honest I always had problem with Nadal because of time taking routines.

You see! You can't even be honest! Everybody knows most of your constant moaning about Nadal and Djokovic were about their drugs and egg chamber...also like a "broken record" . But like a very biased person you completely snapped when Murray was also put under the spotlight. What's the word for that?

I was never going on and on about egg chamber and drugs like you guys. I questioned you guys. I have raised questions but never like a broken reocrd- that title is saved for you. And I am not the only one who says that.

Anyways Rotla-the pest banned me. Just came back to show you the middle finger.

Showing yourself to be a right___________ (fill in the blank, you are good at that kind of vocabulary)

by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:40 pm

Ridiculous double standards from ROTLA.

He himself says: See a forum needs all kinds of posters, some are aggressive like me. But isn't variety the spice of life. Why should all posters be nice and goody-goody like an Nadal Questionable For AO 2013 - Page 2 2474380249

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Clearly he only applies the rule to a certain people, i.e. it doesn't apply to his friends.

I'm fine with harsh moderation etc., but consistency should be shown. At the moment great double standards are being operated I'm afraid, ROTLA should ban himself Thumbs Up

If wow had said what NITB has told me earlier, he would have been punished no doubt.

by Guest Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:41 pm

nitb, shshhhhh. I will never open a forum because I dont sit on the forums like you. You see I do have a life Nadal Questionable For AO 2013 - Page 2 2375004229

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by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:07 pm

wow, I know normally you are not aggressive like ROTLA, but I think you have let your frustrations get the better of you, you should stay cool and calm. Winking

Of course that doesn't excuse the ridiculous double standards here, if we are banning people on the bounds of being aggressive ROTLA should ban himself first.

We were meant to have self-moderation on here, but clearly this is only applied when certain people want it. This is what ROTLA said of his behaviour when I asked him about it:

Well. I'm the way I am. Confrontational, Aggressive, angry.. whatever.

See a forum needs all kinds of posters, some are aggressive like me. But isn't variety the spice of life. Why should all posters be nice and goody-goody like an

by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:08 pm

If that's not double standards I don't know what is. ROTLA should ban himself Thumbs Up

by Tenez Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:41 pm

Amritia3ee wrote:Ridiculous double standards from ROTLA.

He himself says: See a forum needs all kinds of posters, some are aggressive like me. But isn't variety the spice of life. Why should all posters be nice and goody-goody like an .

Clearly he only applies the rule to a certain people, i.e. it doesn't apply to his friends.

I'm fine with harsh moderation etc., but consistency should be shown. At the moment great double standards are being operated I'm afraid, ROTLA should ban himself

If wow had said what NITB has told me earlier, he would have been punished no doubt.

There is no point logging in and insult all posters. How can you compare Rotla's frank talking about tennis with wow's stupid and useless comments?

We have few but excellent posters here. If you are not happy you go like wow. It;s not double standard. It's one thing being straight spoken like rotla and it's a complely different think to log in for the sole purpose of insulting posters. If you defend wow's stupid behaviour here you may want to leave as well. We never tried to log back in V2 and insult everybody.

by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:09 pm

I'm not defending anyone Tenez.
wow has also made many comments about tennis here (https://ourtennisforum.forumotion.co.uk/t112-the-golden-threshold) however this can't be used as an excuse for anything he does.

ROTLA has been aggressive, he has even said so himself, the only difference is that he hasn't been insulting to you, or NITB (unlike wow).
So obviously you will not mind ROTLA being insulting or abusive, unless he does it to you.

We're not all naive Tenez.

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:49 pm

Rotla is not insulting and neither is he abusive.
I'm surprised you can't or don't want to see the difference.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:49 pm

You are not naive Amritia? Fine. Good to know.

aggressive != abusive && aggressive != insulting

I'm trying to get the discussion back on track and you just won't let that happen, would you? wow3 has turned hysterical, do you also want to go his way?

Murray's GS win turned him so hostile, he lost his mind. It shows your character the way one behaves in situations of victory and loss.

by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:00 pm

Well ROTLA has been abusive and insulting to many people, just not to you NITB.
Anyway there is no point extending this discussion, it's highly unlikely that a moderator will admit the truth and ban himself for his aggressive behaviour.

by noleisthebest Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:19 pm

Amri,

if I were you, I'd try and post more on tennis-focused threads at the moment.
You seem to gravitate towards poster-orientated discussions, jumping at every opportunity to blame someone for something.
I can understand you may feel that way, but just keep it to yourself, try to come up with something interesting and positive even if it's just from your point of view and don't come out so defensive when others come up with topics THEY find interesting and you find hard to find interesting (i.e. anything a out Nadal). Ignore those threads if you can't accept other peoples' opinions.
It's not easy, but give it a try, it's more fun and rewarding for yourself and everyone else to be creative rather than destructive.

by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:27 pm

I'm not any moderator of this site. I only handle technical things if those are required. No one is a moderator here, its expected that everyone should should moderate himself/herself.

You want to stay here, well and good. Talk and discuss tennis, all fine. A bit of banter, all accepted.

But if you want to go into a hysteria like wow3, then its better that you see wow3 on MTL or where ever he has invited you. Good luck with that. Surprising you are defending the madness that wow3 was exhibiting ever since Murray won US open.

by Larry Ellison Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:44 pm

ROTLA.. for the tenth time I am not defending anybody. (at which point have I defended anybody here).
I don't think two wrongs make a right, and it is clear that you are being biased to yourself.

Anyway, this is the last thing I will say on the matter.

NITB don't worry from now on I will stick to tennis, on the tennis forum Thumbs Up

In-fact there should be another thread created such as 'feedback thread' (that exists on MTL, v2 etc.) which is a good medium for those complaints, rather than me having to point it out on a tennis thread.

by sphairistike Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:26 pm

Amrit, I am sure I have seen you defend wow and even laverfan... I wonder why... Nadal Questionable For AO 2013 - Page 2 123628122

by Larry Ellison Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:40 pm

sphairistike wrote:Amrit, I am sure I have seen you defend wow and even laverfan... I wonder why...

I defended Laverfan, because I don't think she's aggressive.
As for wow, if you look back I actually told him to not get so angry and frustrated, so not at all. Thumbs Up

by luvsports! Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:43 pm

ive found you guys haha smiley

by Tenez Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:46 pm

Hi - Is that your first posting here? Welcome!!! I thought you had already posted here but had lost your way back!

Good to have you here.

by luvsports! Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:50 pm

yup cheers bud thanks for the warm welcome smiley

.
nope only found out about this today and I thought I would check it out and here I am.
Been tres busy so haven't posted on ja606 for a while but from the look of things there are a lot of trolls there now Sad

. On to bigger and better things!

by Tenez Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:09 pm

Yes it's a shame. Ja was cool but already at the beginning there was some trouble makers.

Were you happy with Murray's win? You must have been over the moon.

by luvsports! Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:44 pm

yes i was but dude IM A MAHOOSIVE FEDS FAN Big Grin

all aboard the fed express!!

by noleisthebest Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:12 am

luvsports! wrote:yes i was but dude IM A MAHOOSIVE FEDS FAN all aboard the fed express!!

Through the gritted teeth: Welcome LS!

Another Federer fan, you can't've found a warmer home.....ah well.....as they say - what doesn't kill you makes you stronger Whistle

by luvsports! Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:18 pm

cheers buddy how are ya in ya new home?

by noleisthebest Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:53 pm

luvsports! wrote:cheers buddy how are ya in ya new home?

like a bug in a rug - happy Nadal Questionable For AO 2013 - Page 2 650269930

by summerblues Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:41 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Time to spat a pest.

I missed all this action too. Somewhat disappointing.

by noleisthebest Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:44 pm

summerblues wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Time to spat a pest.

I missed all this action too. Somewhat disappointing.

yes it was, very. talk about being stabbed in the back.

by summerblues Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:48 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Time to spat a pest.

I missed all this action too. Somewhat disappointing.

yes it was, very. talk about being stabbed in the back.

"stabbed in the back"? Not sure I get the "in the back" portion.

I thought the whole thing was a bit odd from all sides but mostly I was disappointed by the action that the forum took.

by Larry Ellison Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:52 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Time to spat a pest.

I missed all this action too. Somewhat disappointing.

yes it was, very. talk about being stabbed in the back.

"stabbed in the back"? Not sure I get the "in the back" portion.

I thought the whole thing was a bit odd from all sides but mostly I was disappointed by the action that the forum took.

No, I can understand why wow was banned, he became aggressive.
However I pointed out how ROTLA was also aggressive (even he admitted he was after I pointed it out), but for some reason he did not ban himself.

by noleisthebest Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:59 pm

.

summerblues wrote:

I thought the whole thing was a bit odd from all sides but mostly I was disappointed by the action that the forum took.

Assuming you have not read the whole thread and Wow's rude barging in with only one intention of insulting everyone just because he felt like it, I recommend you have another look.
I'm pretty sure you would not tolerate people coming into you house and insulting your family, so why would it be the case here?

It's one thing disagreeing with someone and expressing it in a non-vulgar way and completely the other venting out your frustrations on others just because you can hide behind a key-board.

It's a shame adults chose to carry on like that.

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